Sarkozy vows to offer UK exit from Brexit if he wins French poll

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    ******. He has no chance of winning anyhow, it will be Le Pen. Why is trying to intervene? Total arrogance and misplaced, and why run twice?
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    (Original post by SaucissonSecCy)
    ******. He has no chance of winning anyhow, it will be Le Pen. Why is trying to intervene? Total arrogance and misplaced, and why run twice?
    Le Pen is not going to win, the next president will be from the centre right. Sarkozy will be defeated in the primaries, probably by Juppé.
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    This, from the lunatic who is on record spouting this kind of self-destructive/treacherous bullcrap:



    Er, no thanks mate, we'll keep our Brexit, cheerio! :wavey:
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    (Original post by SaucissonSecCy)
    ******. He has no chance of winning anyhow, it will be Le Pen. Why is trying to intervene? Total arrogance and misplaced, and why run twice?
    The way French elections work is a run-off system so even if Le Pen wins the first round (she probably will but with ~35% of the vote), there's very little chance that she'll win the second. The UMP (likely Sarkozy) are very likely to win the presidency without a much bigger poll surge for Le Pen.

    (Original post by Josb)
    Le Pen is not going to win, the next president will be from the centre right. Sarkozy will be defeated in the primaries, probably by Juppé.
    Sarkozy is pretty moderate on most issues, he was president for 4 years.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Sarkozy is pretty moderate on most issues, he was president for 4 years.
    Sarkozy has always spoken tough. He's very right wing on many issue; he wants to create a kind of Guantanamo, or reinstate a military service for instance. His problem is that he has been mentioned in many corruption cases and many people think he hasn't done anything when he was in charge.

    Juppé is leading in the primaries, so he will be the next president.
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    (Original post by Maker)
    Its nonsense to say the EU Commission is unaccountable, each national government nominates a commissioner and the President of the Commission has to be endorsed by the EU parliment.
    Commissioners have to take an oath not to do their appointing nation's bidding.

    Describing a Commissioner as accountable is like describing a judge as accountable.

    The Commission essentially promotes its own agenda and national politicians have to use up political and diplomatic capital to stop that agenda.
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    (Original post by Observatory)

    There is very little appetite for disempowering the EU outside of the UK.
    I accept that, but I wasn't referring to dis-empowering the EU. The key reform the EU needs is to empower the Council at the expense of the Commission. The EU is slowly moving in that direction with a permanent President of the Council and a Council secretariat, but it needs to move much faster.

    There is widespread dissatisfaction with Juncker's tin ear for European national politics.
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    (Original post by nulli tertius)
    Commissioners have to take an oath not to do their appointing nation's bidding.

    Describing a Commissioner as accountable is like describing a judge as accountable.

    The Commission essentially promotes its own agenda and national politicians have to use up political and diplomatic capital to stop that agenda.
    Judges are accoutable, they can't do whatever they feel like same with commissioners, they can be replaced.

    You make the Commission sound like Hal 9000.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    The way French elections work is a run-off system so even if Le Pen wins the first round (she probably will but with ~35% of the vote), there's very little chance that she'll win the second. The UMP (likely Sarkozy) are very likely to win the presidency without a much bigger poll surge for Le Pen.



    Sarkozy is pretty moderate on most issues, he was president for 4 years.
    No way. Disagree, It's not the public mood.
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    (Original post by SaucissonSecCy)
    No way. Disagree, It's not the public mood.
    Given that the National Front lost to the UMP in national elections earlier in the year (albeit just and both were near 30%) i'd say that unfortunately, i'll probably be proven correct.

    Polling can be a few percent off and may change but polling for Sarkozy-Le Pen in the second round all goes one way.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinio...E2.80.93Le_Pen

    While i know that your retort may be something along the lines of 'polling is wrong' i'd point to the fact that actually telephone polls had the Tories winning the general election consistently and in the EU referendum Leave were averaging a 5% lead before Cox got shot... hence my belief that even if they are few percent out, we're still likely to see the UMP in France and Merkel in Germany win.
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    We can't fall for such plans. Brexit means what majority of people voted for. To leave the European Union
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    (Original post by Foo.mp3)
    This, from the lunatic who is on record spouting this kind of self-destructive/treacherous bullcrap:



    Er, no thanks mate, we'll keep our Brexit, cheerio! :wavey:
    It's utterly insane. It's as racialist as the people who won't allow it to ever happen, who spit on interracial couples- just the other end of the horseshoe.
 
 
 
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