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    (Original post by SophiaNeuning)
    The assumptions made
    -men are more aggressive
    -because of testosterone
    -which has been genetically proven
    -which causes men to be less friendly than women

    You start off okay but it becomes a lil bit tenuous. It's not a rant, it's just you can't even say women are conclusively more friendly than men, and you deffo can't say that this is because men are more aggressive.

    Well you can say it. But it'd just be your opinion.

    Do you deny the first three are true?

    And do you deny the link between aggressiveness and friendliness?
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    Lads are friendlier because just look at our friendships compared to these birds out here. Lads are more loyal and forgiving and straight up with each other than females who call themselves women for damn sure.
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    Nice to your face awful behind your back, guys are nicer
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    (Original post by RainbowMan)
    You're right that one doesn't necessarily follow from the other but that men are far more aggressive is demonstrable in crime statistics and as I'm sure you'll have observed, in every day life.
    Yesss. But idk how much I agree that that is relevant to this discussion. The argument that men are more aggressive isn't what I take issue with. It's an idea, I just don't think you can conclusively say it.

    Anyway, aside from the science of it all, we aren't going to find any solid truth/fact with this. So, in my experience, women are more friendly in that I find them easier to chat with, it's easier to 'get' them and just communicate through a look, but I also find them more hostile socially. I find men more friendly in the sense that they are easy going.

    (Original post by yudothis)
    Do you deny the first three are true?And do you deny the link between aggressiveness and friendliness?
    Nope. It's a wide arena of discussion, I simply deny the statement that men are more aggressive and that this causes them to be less friendly. You can talk about it as an idea, but to say it as a simple statement, as a fact, would be untrue.
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    (Original post by xDarcey)
    I don't think it's really fair to claim that any one gender is friendlier or more approachable than another. I've known women who have been rude, arrogant and spiteful, and I've known men who have been extremely caring and understanding.

    Maybe there's some biological science behind it that makes women in general more loving (specifically in the case of children), I don't know. But I've known plenty of women who have been friendly, and plenty who have not.

    "Biological science", don't you mean "psychology"?
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    theres no way to know

    i know men and women who are both pleasant and approachable

    and an equally amount of men and women who are the opposite
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    (Original post by SophiaNeuning)
    Yesss. But idk how much I agree that that is relevant to this discussion. The argument that men are more aggressive isn't what I take issue with. It's an idea, I just don't think you can conclusively say it.

    Anyway, aside from the science of it all, we aren't going to find any solid truth/fact with this. So, in my experience, women are more friendly in that I find them easier to chat with, it's easier to 'get' them and just communicate through a look, but I also find them more hostile socially. I find men more friendly in the sense that they are easy going.

    Nope. It's a wide arena of discussion, I simply deny the statement that men are more aggressive and that this causes them to be less friendly. You can talk about it as an idea, but to say it as a simple statement, as a fact, would be untrue.
    I think it depends on your definition of friendly. Men are more likely to:

    Physically assault you
    Rape you
    Steal from you
    Crash your car
    Etc

    I include those things as non-friendly behaviours. So it really depends on what you mean by friendly.

    Incidentally, this reminds me of this video by Lous CK
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    (Original post by yudothis)
    Triggered?

    The best answers, the best models, the best solutions, are all simple.
    Yes, parsimony is ideal in science, but anyone with an ounce of knowledge in Psychology (or perhaps just common sense) recognises that to simplify such complex behaviour as "friendliness" to a hormone alone, is both reductionist and deterministic.

    Friendly behaviour is, like all behaviours, the result of a complex interaction between genes and environment. Boys are raised to be more rough and tumbly, they are raised to be aggressive, this can be seen through their toys which forms an integral part of their socialisation- guns, action man etc.

    It's not a simple case as "man has testosterone, man is aggressive!", with the compulsory chest beating.
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    I think we are delving into a psychology that none of us understand: that is the difference between the sexes. Generally women are x and men are y is meaningless, people are different, to place them as x or y seems to be a sort of stereotype amongst the genders that probably has more to do with bias and accepted behaviour than reality. Women are expected to be x, not y and men are expected to be y not x. I don't think it makes any sense it's a societal value system. The truthiness of it lies in bias and cultural cues.
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    (Original post by RainbowMan)
    I think it depends on your definition of friendly. Men are more likely to:

    Physically assault you
    Rape you
    Steal from you
    Crash your car
    Etc

    I include those things as non-friendly behaviours. So it really depends on what you mean by friendly.

    Incidentally, this reminds me of this video by Lous CK
    this is not my convo, but just thought of letting you know that while they may look innocent and ****, women can be terrifying
    they don't need to be aggressive or anything like that
    *****es gon' **** you up
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    women are always friendly to me (im a man) and dont force me to play along in their games. other women are forced to play but i think they kinda want to.
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    (Original post by RainbowMan)
    I think it depends on your definition of friendly. Men are more likely to:

    Physically assault you
    Rape you
    Steal from you
    Crash your car
    Etc

    I include those things as non-friendly behaviours. So it really depends on what you mean by friendly.

    Incidentally, this reminds me of this video by Lous CK
    They are not friendly behaviours, obviously. But do you define friendliness as 'not raping/beating up'? That's like saying women are better people because men are more likely to rape/be violent. Now don't get me wrong, I am a feminist, and I've been known to say that women are better ppl, but I think if we are talking scientifically and trying to find objectivity, then we can't really say that. We're talking general social interaction, not likelihood to engage in certain behaviours. The person who crashes your car or steals your TV might also be super friendly. Also, thanks for the Louis CK clip, always a pleasure :rofl:
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    (Original post by Twinpeaks)
    Yes, parsimony is ideal in science, but anyone with an ounce of knowledge in Psychology (or perhaps just common sense) recognises that to simplify such complex behaviour as "friendliness" to a hormone alone, is both reductionist and deterministic.

    Friendly behaviour is, like all behaviours, the result of a complex interaction between genes and environment. Boys are raised to be more rough and tumbly, they are raised to be aggressive, this can be seen through their toys which forms an integral part of their socialisation- guns, action man etc.

    It's not a simple case as "man has testosterone, man is aggressive!", with the compulsory chest beating.

    (Original post by SophiaNeuning)
    Nope. It's a wide arena of discussion, I simply deny the statement that men are more aggressive and that this causes them to be less friendly. You can talk about it as an idea, but to say it as a simple statement, as a fact, would be untrue.
    It would be amazing if more disciplines understood and used the concept of ceteris paribus.
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    (Original post by yudothis)
    It would be amazing if more disciplines understood and used the concept of ceteris paribus.
    If you knew a single thing about these "disciplines", they do. :rolleyes: I admire your arrogance.

    Although nowadays more and more weight is given to the interaction of factors, which is far more important when studying behaviour in a realistic setting. See systems theory.
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    (Original post by Twinpeaks)
    If you knew a single thing about these "disciplines", they do. :rolleyes: I admire your arrogance.

    Although nowadays more and more weight is given to the interaction of factors, which is far more important when studying behaviour in a realistic setting. See systems theory.
    If you did, you wouldn't have such qualms with my statement
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    (Original post by yudothis)
    It would be amazing if more disciplines understood and used the concept of ceteris paribus.
    they do mate
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    It's social conditioning isn't it, men are no more likely to be aggressive than women, let's face it. But society over time, in which men are stronger physically has lead to men becoming more aggressive. I think both sexes have an equal chance of being aggressive but over time the aggressiveness has been attributed to man because of our societal interests and societal development.
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    (Original post by SophiaNeuning)
    they do mate
    And yet you show absolutely no appreciation of it. Too bad.
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    (Original post by yudothis)
    If you did, you wouldn't have such qualms with my statement
    The trouble is, you clearly know nothing about the research discipline being discussed, and are attempting to apply your own principles to it. But it's not going to work. Do some reading, come back and try again.
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    (Original post by Twinpeaks)
    The trouble is, you clearly know nothing about the research discipline being discussed, and are attempting to apply your own principles to it. But it's not going to work. Do some reading, come back and try again.
    And who is arrogant now

    It's actually quite funny, the other poster all but agreed with me except that I am making it too simple. Now, unless you are saying me making it simple is me not having a clue, then I ask you how that goes along supposed appreciation of ceteris paribus. Because it doesn't. Because you have no clue. Which you have repeatedly proven with your posts, and I am getting tired of them, and literally.
 
 
 
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