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    My youngest son is not going to apply to any RG universities, either because of the distance/ease of travel or because they just didn't offer what he wanted. He couldn't see the point in going to a uni for its supposed prestige when the course on offer closest to what he wanted to do was not suitable or in depth enough for his career path.

    He's bright enough (A* A* A* predicted) but the course content was more important to him.
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    I'm at an RG for my undergraduate degree, got an offer last night for an MSc at UCL, and intend to do my PhD at an RG too. It just so happens that I loved that content of both degrees, but I knew with it being a RG, they'd be a focus on research (which is important to me for obvious reasons), and that the teaching quality would be excellent.
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    (Original post by jneill)
    Well, all will earn you the same 15 points in Australia.

    And you might be interested in the Offer rates to read MAST at Cambridge (i.e. Part III of their Mathematics Tripos) for applicants with an undergrad from various institutions :
    Bath : 33%
    Bristol : 55%
    Imperial : 46%
    Loughborough : 33%
    Nottingham : 64%
    Oxford : 57%
    Surrey : 50%
    Sussex : 50%

    You'd think Cambridge would be pretty fussy about who they take on for their blue riband course... and indeed they probably are, but it's clear the prior university makes little difference to them.

    I am not saying you shouldn't aim for Cambridge, or wherever, so long as its because you think their course, and teaching style, is right for you. But don't do it for some nebulous and misplaced concept of "prestige" - or worse, because you think others will be as impressed by "prestige" as you are.
    That is actually quite interesting so Maybe if I don't get in at first I can get onto the masters later. So I will have a number of shots at this, double application next year eg Imperial and Cambridge, Fail to get off from both then gap year and double application again, fail that time do degree elsewhere get 1st apply for masters at Imperial and Cambridge.

    Does the masters application work the same way? eg can you apply for both Oxford and Cambridge masters or does it have to be only one or the other still?

    effectively I have six shots when I think about it but if can apply to both for masters that is 7 shots.
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    (Original post by Luke7456)
    That is actually quite interesting so Maybe if I don't get in at first I can get onto the masters later. So I will have a number of shots at this, double application next year eg Imperial and Cambridge, Fail to get off from both then gap year and double application again, fail that time do degree elsewhere get 1st apply for masters at Imperial and Cambridge.

    Does the masters application work the same way? eg can you apply for both Oxford and Cambridge masters or does it have to be only one or the other still?

    effectively I have six shots when I think about it but if can apply to both for masters that is 7 shots.
    You can apply to both Oxford and Cambridge for graduate school.

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    (Original post by wolfmoon88)
    You can apply to both Oxford and Cambridge for graduate school.

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    Yay 7 shots!
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    (Original post by Luke7456)
    Yay 7 shots!
    And still only the same 15 points for Australia...

    And your age is a more significant factor than your degree. If you delay too long you will start to lose points.

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    I had no idea what the Russell Group even was until I was into my third year at Birmingham.

    When I researched universities - I was about 75% focused on course content, 20% on how it felt when I visited the uni and met the lecturers and 5 5% on practical stuff like accommodation and travel [ultimately because I knew that if I loved uni, I wouldn't mind the travel and I had low expectations of student digs so didn't care too much]

    I looked at Birmingham, UEA and Manchester Met - a pretty diverse mix of unis and locations [only one RG], all because they all had a course I would love to study. Visiting them all I could have studied at any of them and felt really happy with my choice. Birmingham topped it for me in the end because the campus was so stunning.... when I think back though, my Dad was also a big fan and he was definitely an influence.

    In terms of value for money.... I had five hours contact time in my third year! But I got really involved in volunteering, sport and working at the Student Union bar - Birmingham had an amazing SU which gave me a ton of opportunities in terms of making myself more employable.

    If getting a job after uni is important to you I would definately check out the SU - student groups are a great way to build on leadership, teamwork and communication skills. I don't think enough students visit SUs when they go to Open Days - many are more than just a bar. I think we all know that a degree is not enough these days and just because it's from an RG uni that won't make you any more special I'm afraid.

    It's what you do whilst at uni that will really count for something and set you apart from other graduates.
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    (Original post by goatygoat)
    3 RG (Oxford, Durham, Imperial)
    2 non (Bath, Loughborough)
    I despise the Russell Group, it's all just marketing. I think, to paint with a broad brush, there is a vague 'top tier' of Oxbridge, LSE, Imperial, Edinburgh, St Andrews, Warwick, Durham . The rest is just talk.
    St Andrews isn't RG.
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    Mine's a funny situation. I applied for 5 universities to do midwifery. Because of the nature of the course, only two of these (from what I remember) were RG which were KCL and Southampton. The others were UWE, Canterbury, and I cannot for the life of me remember the last one!

    Then I did a complete U-turn and decided I wanted to study an academic Arts / Humanities subject. So I cancelled all my applications and applied to Sheffield through UCAS Extra - this only lets you apply to one university at a time. I got accepted and went there

    BE aware of UCAS Extra!! It sounds really obvious, but I had no idea it even existed until I had a big crisis about not wanting to do midwifery. If you get rejected from all your options, or if you want to change courses, you can go through Extra to apply to 1 university at a time. Don't wait until clearing when it will be stressful and rushed.
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    (Original post by Mystery.)
    St Andrews isn't RG.
    Goatygoat (haha) didn't really say it was. They just said it's up there with the top universities, and the Russell Group is irrelevant except for marketing.
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    (Original post by abc:))
    Mine's a funny situation. I applied for 5 universities to do midwifery. Because of the nature of the course, only two of these (from what I remember) were RG which were KCL and Southampton. The others were UWE, Canterbury, and I cannot for the life of me remember the last one!

    Then I did a complete U-turn and decided I wanted to study an academic Arts / Humanities subject. So I cancelled all my applications and applied to Sheffield through UCAS Extra - this only lets you apply to one university at a time. I got accepted and went there

    BE aware of UCAS Extra!! It sounds really obvious, but I had no idea it even existed until I had a big crisis about not wanting to do midwifery. If you get rejected from all your options, or if you want to change courses, you can go through Extra to apply to 1 university at a time. Don't wait until clearing when it will be stressful and rushed.
    Did you have to write a separate personal statement?

    (Original post by abc:))
    Goatygoat (haha) didn't really say it was. They just said it's up there with the top universities, and the Russell Group is irrelevant except for marketing.
    oops, My bad.
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    (Original post by Mystery.)
    Did you have to write a separate personal statement?


    oops, My bad.
    Yes I did. I mean I was applying for Spanish whereas my original personal statement stated all the reasons why I'm so interested in midwifery haha.

    If you go through UCAS Extra and write a new personal statement, it should explain your reason for changing courses (or uni options, which you can make sound good, you don't have to say 'I got rejected from everywhere so I'm a bit desperate' you can say that you've had a reconsideration of where would be the place best suited to you). Also just talk a bit about the subject, like a normal personal statement, if it's the same course you can use elements from your original personal statement.
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    (Original post by Luke7456)
    Kings College London are a world class university I think they were on the outskirts of top 20 in the entire world in university rankings.

    They just suck for maths. If your getting grades that are close to or exceeding UCL entry requirements why not make a bid for Imperial? they are top ten in the world generally and for maths.

    You really can't do better then that. I mean okay Oxbridge is slightly better but literally only slightly.
    There's more to university life than just rankings. In my opinion, Imperial and UCL are neck and neck for overall reputation, and UCL is the bigger and more attractive university of the two. The location is also more central. UCL seems much more fun and vibrant.
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    (Original post by Luke7456)
    It depends what you mean by prestigious I mean their is Prestigious for the UK in which case Yes Durham and Warwick are definitely prestigious. For UK top 5 is creme le crem and top ten is Elite

    Top 20 is kind of okay you can live with that but will always feel a sadness within.

    However their is also internationally and if you want something that stands out globally the rankings get a bit skewed, for example Bath and Loughborough may rank high in the UK but internationally they rank below universities they top on the UK leagues. I want to get something that has prestige internationally as well as in The UK.

    I basically added the rankings from the global best for maths and the global best institutions as a whole and divided by two, with rounding to get a list of world class rep universities the general Rule I go with is top 100 is world class but it is hard to get both high scores for maths and high scores for institution as a whole so I allow multiplier of 1.5 to allow a score of 150.

    Id normally say top 10 so I allow top 15. A* grade prestige
    Then top 30 so I allow 45 A grade prestige
    top 50 so I allow 75 B grade Prestige
    Top 100 so 150 C grade Prestige



    Prestige Category A*
    3. Cambridge
    5. Oxford
    11. Imperial

    This category is the elite of the elite world class no comparison delighted if you get into here, go all out to get into one of these 3

    prestige Category A

    28.Edinburgh
    42. UCL
    42. Warwick

    This Category is the top of the world class whilst been just outside the ultimate glory Still really Elite and highly prestigious you can be delighted with this but not quite as happy as A* category

    Prestige Category B
    53.Manchester
    57. LSE
    59. Bristol
    74. Kings

    This category is world class But not world class Elite you can be satisfied with this but will always have the pain of knowing whilst your technically got into world class you didn't get into Elite world class. I guess can be satisfied with this.

    Prestige Category C
    76. Nottingham
    79. Birmingham
    95. Glasgow
    110. Leeds
    150. Durham

    This is category is kind of just scraping world class you can definitely live with going into this category but you will always feel you let yourself down. you still got yourself Prestige but its kind of like just scraping it.


    This can be misleading though I mean world if your not worried about international reputation then Bath and LoughBorough are very strong universities and Durham fairs a lot better rather then Just scraping in.

    there are still some universities that have very good career prospects and still worth going to like Surrey, It doesn't have Prestige but it is a very strong university.

    Prestige matters a lot to me though.
    It always amazes me how people like you think they are qualified to categorise unis like the way you just have. Who do you think you are to say Manchester is more prestigious than Durham? Frankly, what you have said above has absolutely no credibility what so ever, im all for prestige and thats one of the most important factors for me, but it ****** me of when someone who isnt in any position to grade unis does so. Who do you think you are Luke? 'you will always feel you let yourself down'. Really? By looking at your profile, seeing you brag about your IQ of '144' its clear that you are needing to brag about something. Self conscious? Its funny, I know many Oxbridge, Imperial grads etc, never once have they behaved in an arrogant or pretentious manner, but someone like you is the definition of pretentious. LSE is category B? LOL no credibility at all mate.
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    (Original post by abc:))
    Goatygoat (haha) didn't really say it was. They just said it's up there with the top universities, and the Russell Group is irrelevant except for marketing.
    just proves my point haha

    *tips horns*
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    (Original post by Uchiha25)
    It always amazes me how people like you think they are qualified to categorise unis like the way you just have. Who do you think you are to say Manchester is more prestigious than Durham? Frankly, what you have said above has absolutely no credibility what so ever, im all for prestige and thats one of the most important factors for me, but it ****** me of when someone who isnt in any position to grade unis does so. Who do you think you are Luke? 'you will always feel you let yourself down'. Really? By looking at your profile, seeing you brag about your IQ of '144' its clear that you are needing to brag about something. Self conscious? Its funny, I know many Oxbridge, Imperial grads etc, never once have they behaved in an arrogant or pretentious manner, but someone like you is the definition of pretentious. LSE is category B? LOL no credibility at all mate.
    Manchester is more prestigious than Durham internationally speaking, and the gap between the two will only get bigger. In the UK, however, Durham carries a cult following as an Oxbridge rejects university, and therefore at undergraduate level will always be seen as more desirable.
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    I didn't care about russell group. I applied for one Russell group which I got into (Exeter) but instead went to a non-RG (Lancaster).
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    It is just a coincidence that most of the schools I applied to were Russell Group, mostly for course choices. Didn't pick them out specifically because they were Russell Group...
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    3 RG - Bristol (2 courses), Imperial, Cambridge
    1 non-RG - Plymouth

    people keep asking if Plymouth is my 5th choice....no loooool
    When you do medicine, whichever uni you go to, you end up being a doctor.

    p.s: 5th choice is maths (msci) @ bristol
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    (Original post by Uchiha25)
    It always amazes me how people like you think they are qualified to categorise unis like the way you just have. Who do you think you are to say Manchester is more prestigious than Durham? Frankly, what you have said above has absolutely no credibility what so ever, im all for prestige and thats one of the most important factors for me, but it ****** me of when someone who isnt in any position to grade unis does so. Who do you think you are Luke? 'you will always feel you let yourself down'. Really? By looking at your profile, seeing you brag about your IQ of '144' its clear that you are needing to brag about something. Self conscious? Its funny, I know many Oxbridge, Imperial grads etc, never once have they behaved in an arrogant or pretentious manner, but someone like you is the definition of pretentious. LSE is category B? LOL no credibility at all mate.
    Their is no call for getting abusive. Its fine to disagree but lets not get nasty.
 
 
 
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