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    i suggested if i recall correctly, i didnt tell or encourage her to do anything anything. And yes im going by her acount which you for all your pretentious speak are doing as well.

    In case its skipped your attention the due process you seemingly hold so much faith in isnt working (and im far from the only person who feels this way). We're talking the same legal system that doesnt want drug abusing muggers and offenders to go to jail. Rapists are getting away more and more it would appear as are other criminal aspects in our society.
    But your suggestion could get her friends into trouble, unfortunately it would be far easier for the police to prove an assault than a rape and therefore if he did decide to report it to the police then it is likely that he would get off and her friends would be charged (I'm not saying it's right, I'm simply pointing out that this could happen).

    And I definately don't feel that the legal system provides satisfactory remedies for rape victims. Unfortunately it is a very difficult crime to prove (as it is usually one persons word against anothers). And I believe that there do need to be reforms to the law, especially on rape, child abuse and domestic violence all of which have very low conviction rates. However creating our own 'justice' or trying to force convictions without the requirement to prove beyond reasonable doubt that someone committed a crime will not help the situation and will lead to injustice. The legal system is in no way perfect, but it is there for a reason-to try to protect people who are innocent (both the victims and suspects).
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    (Original post by little.miss.vicki)
    And I believe that there do need to be reforms to the law, especially on rape, child abuse and domestic violence all of which have very low conviction rates. However creating our own 'justice' or trying to force convictions without the requirement to prove beyond reasonable doubt that someone committed a crime will not help the situation and will lead to injustice.
    There has already been reforms on the law in rape, the Sexual Offences Act 2003 updated the Law, which was seriously outdated. Rather than reforming the law, I think other things need to be looked at. You can have the best or worst laws in the world but it's no good if victims don't come forward. I'm not criticising any victims who choose not to report the crime but if they don't do it, then the conviction rate is going to continue to be low and I doubt changing the law any more, will make people more willing to come forward.
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    (Original post by britishseapower)
    'm not criticising any victims who choose not to report the crime but if they don't do it, then the conviction rate is going to continue to be low and I doubt changing the law any more, will make people more willing to come forward.
    The conviction rate refers to the conviction of reported rapes so it's not much to do with those who come forward.
    the exception to that rule is if there are repeat rapists because the fewer victims come forward the less likely they are to offend.

    changing the treatment of victims may make them more likely to come forward, when i tried to report the person who was abusing me I was basically told to go away. the result was that I never reported said person and the abuse went on for years.

    Changes in the law would also make victims more likely to come forward but none of the changes would really be practical as they would be biased in favour of the 'victim'
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    (Original post by Anonymous)

    changing the treatment of victims may make them more likely to come forward, when i tried to report the person who was abusing me I was basically told to go away. the result was that I never reported said person and the abuse went on for years.

    Changes in the law would also make victims more likely to come forward but none of the changes would really be practical as they would be biased in favour of the 'victim'
    I'm surprised at that as alot of police officers these days receive specialist training to deal with victims or rape (or so I'm led to believe) although I know things haven't always been great in the past.

    As for changes in the Law, it's a bit of a catch 22 situation, you have to balance the needs of the victim and the accused as not everyone accused of rape is actually guilty therefore it would be a bit unfair to be in total favour of the victim every time.
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    (Original post by silverbolt)
    yes im going by her acount which you for all your pretentious speak are doing as well.
    "pretentious" moi?

    I'm not saying the CJS is perfect particularly with regards to rape. There is currently only about 5% success rate for prosecutions. But that is really indicative of the nature of the crime itself rather than the legal system.

    (Original post by silverbolt)
    We're talking the same legal system that doesnt want drug abusing muggers and offenders to go to jail.
    The problem with this is that it's a caricature, formed either by your guesswork, or tabloid reporting, (I seem to remember seeing this as a front page headline on that free paper people read on buses).

    With regards to rape the fact is that the majority of victims who reported the offence were satisfied with the police handling of the matter, (32% very satisfied, 25% fairly satisfied) compared with 16% "a bit dissatisfied" and 22% "very dissatisfied" (ashworth 2006)

    I can't imagine how difficult it must be to report a crime like this. Only 20% of victims do. But you must concede that the offenders that are really "getting away with it" are the 80% who will never so much as have to face a police interview.

    Read this so you know who you're throwing in with when you advocate vigilantism
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...03/npaed03.xml

    Apologies that link is broken try this one
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/901723.stm
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    (Original post by britishseapower)
    I'm surprised at that as alot of police officers these days receive specialist training to deal with victims or rape (or so I'm led to believe) although I know things haven't always been great in the past.

    As for changes in the Law, it's a bit of a catch 22 situation, you have to balance the needs of the victim and the accused as not everyone accused of rape is actually guilty therefore it would be a bit unfair to be in total favour of the victim every time.
    that's what i meant by not practical.

    the police are trained, but they don't always treat people how they are supposed to. They're also supposed to be completely non biased against anyone but many are sexist, racist etc.

    I think it was because I was young (12,13 I think) they didn't take me seriously. Said that I could get a police record for falsely accusing someone and I should leave before I got myself into trouble.
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    that's what i meant by not practical.

    the police are trained, but they don't always treat people how they are supposed to. They're also supposed to be completely non biased against anyone but many are sexist, racist etc.

    I think it was because I was young (12,13 I think) they didn't take me seriously. Said that I could get a police record for falsely accusing someone and I should leave before I got myself into trouble.
    the police are very politically correct these days, it's a big thing. There will inevitably be some bad apples still but anything that is remotely racist, sexist, ageist, you name it, is clamped down upon. I applied to join the police recently and failed my final interview because I didn't understand what the term 'respect for race and diversity' meant. And at the assessment centre before the interview, I was constantly being assesed on my respect for race and diversity and had to deal with people in the role plays who were making discriminatory remarks e.t.c.

    I can appreciate that alot of them have been discriminatory in the past though and it will take a long time for things to improve I'm guessing but at least the emphasis has changed.
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    as a rape victim, i have to say it's not easy to go to the police.
    i haven't.
    and i doubt i will now, as it was 3 years ago.
    it's a difficult thing to accept happened, and it's easier to blame yourself and try to make excuses for the person that did it.
 
 
 
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