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Come on
No need to be angry
why do you guys deserve to get paid 100K? Not saying you shouldnt .. just asking
What Emmz said.
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Getting paid whilst you're still studying seems like a nice bonus to qualifying for your licence.
A bonus? Lol personally I wouldn't be very happy if someone was expecting me to work a full time job and not pay me!
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A bonus? Lol personally I wouldn't be very happy if someone was expecting me to work a full time job and not pay me!
Yeah, but aren't you technicially still studying because you have to sit an exam at the end? Or does the "studying" thing finish when you're out of your degree?
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wow, such diverse responses. I think some people are not understanding wat my point is, basically wat im saying is im just angry the way the government is paying ridiculous amount of money to atract dentists. Surely by luring the people to become dentist with flashing huge amount of money would send negative massages as to why someone wants to become a dentist, most people will be attracted to the pay rather than the job roles, hence why its the professions with one of the highest suicide rates compared to other professions as people end up not liking the role (too boring and stressful as working against the clock) however they cant do too much about it as they spend all their life sttudying for it (5 yrs). i believe they should get good pay but not wat they get at the moment. the reson is because the other health professions get affected as all the money is pumped to one profession it has financial impact on pharmacists and takes away their importance in the health profession.
people are saying 30k is good pay for pharm,acists however if u compare it to a dentist 100k plus i believe its not fair. people saying pharmacy is easy they dnt do much etc are getting me ticked off, please do some kind of experiance b4 u make a stupid statement like that. pharmacist play a major role, if they make one tiny error it can have huge consequences on patients which can kill them, so remeber just like dentists and doctors, pharmacists equally have the risks and responsibilities in the profession which should be pointed out.
I believe they shuld cut some of the dentists wage and inject it into the nurses who are equally deserving as they do hell of a job (dnt beliveve me work part time with them). i belive why people get angry like me is when all the focus goes ontop to one profession, and others then feel left out and feel undervalued such as th government not considering the pharmacists as part of th main healthcare team (i.e not getting the same benifits or treatment as doctors and dentists do).

my theory as to wat pay for professions should be is below

pharmacists
starting pay (after 1 year exp) = 25k - 30k
experianced (3 - 7 years ) = 30k - 45k
consultant (8 years plus) = 45k - 65k

dentists
starting pay (atyer 1 year) = 30k - 35k
experianced (3-7 years) = 35k - 50k
consultant (8 years plus) = 50k - 70k

hope you agree, as you can see dentists shuld get slighlty more than pharmacists as they have direct contact with patients, however not stupid amounts such as 80k after 2 years experiance. LOL dont assume im anti dentists cos if u do ur wrong i consider them very important and they play a huge role into the mainintance of good health and wellbeing of patients as same as doctors and pharmacists. my goal has always been on becoming a dentists believe it opr not and i still do want to become a dentits, however due to competition i was unable to get in this year so have to do pharmacy as a plan B. i cannot transfer to dentistry as the universities say once you start a degree they want you to finnish it and then apply to dentistry. however 4 years of studying is enough for me i think i cant hack 9 years at uni, too costly, too time consuming and pointless as i feel it would be a waste of my pharmacy degree. I would equally rant if pharmacists get ridiculous increase in wage so dont think cos i didnt get in dentists dats why im against them.

thanks for responses good to hear all sorts of opinions also from other professions, thank you all.
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1.firstly, how do you know that dentists get paid crazy amounts?
2. Move to the US if you want great sums of money
3. Wage will probs go down with remote supervision coming in.
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1.firstly, how do you know that dentists get paid crazy amounts?
2. Move to the US if you want great sums of money
3. Wage will probs go down with remote supervision coming in.
1) Dentists do get paid more than pharmacists and maybe slightly more than medics depends on what you specialise in as a doctor but certainly not "crazy amounts". If anything doctors and dentists don't get paid enough for what they do!

2) Would have been true about 10 years ago and the cost of living of is less but with the credit crunch and inflation rates on the rise, living in America ain't quite as lucrative. Also don't forget the increasing insurance premiums with regards to covering your backs against litigation etc.

3) Wouldn't know about this.

If you're worried about dentists being paid more than pharmacists then the answer is simple; study dentistry instead.
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my theory is simple. Pharmacists do not diagnose me, do not treat me. All they do is sell me drugs like a shop keeper. Maybe it takes a bit of training to be sure that they sell the right things in the right amounts etc but in the end its the doctors/dentists I go to heal my body. I would never be satisfied with a place where pharmacists get the same as a doctor/dentist.
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my theory is simple. Pharmacists do not diagnose me, do not treat me. All they do is sell me drugs like a shop keeper. Maybe it takes a bit of training to be sure that they sell the right things in the right amounts etc but in the end its the doctors/dentists I go to heal my body. I would never be satisfied with a place where pharmacists get the same as a doctor/dentist.

No need to worry about that
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Drugs heal your body, not dentists and doctors. There is industrial pharmacy which isn;t a field in dentistry and medicine. Dentists have the highest suicide rate, I wonder why.

Well if not america, what about Canada?.

An industrial pharmacist will earn more than a doctor/dentist after a few years.

You said, we sell your drugs like a shopkeeper, erm well there is hospital pharmacy too and not just retail. What does a gp do then? look at you and send you to us.
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Drugs heal your body, not dentists and doctors. There is industrial pharmacy which isn;t a field in dentistry and medicine. Dentists have the highest suicide rate, I wonder why.

Well if not america, what about Canada?.

An industrial pharmacist will earn more than a doctor/dentist after a few years.

You said, we sell your drugs like a shopkeeper, erm well there is hospital pharmacy too and not just retail. What does a gp do then? look at you and send you to us.
You're right, next time you're ill just grab a bunch of random things and eat it. Any drug you can find.

The GP figures out whats wrong and the correct treatment, you give me what is prescribed.

What is a "hospital pharmacy" (I am hoping its not a fancy name for an outpatient counter). Industrial pharmacists, need to have a good grasp of a lot of things, more then a retail pharmacist for sure. Thats the jist of it all, requirements.
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my theory is simple. Pharmacists do not diagnose me, do not treat me. All they do is sell me drugs like a shop keeper. Maybe it takes a bit of training to be sure that they sell the right things in the right amounts etc but in the end its the doctors/dentists I go to heal my body. I would never be satisfied with a place where pharmacists get the same as a doctor/dentist.
To be fair, if you're going down that route, then everybody is useless except for people in research
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To be fair, if you're going down that route, then everybody is useless except for people in research
I would disagree. Some skills are harder to come by (PHD) and some easier (Subway sandwich maker), and they are paid accordingly. Supply and demand, if there is a lot of supply then the equilibrium price is lower. If something is harder there is less supply.
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I would disagree. Some skills are harder to come by (PHD) and some easier (Subway sandwich maker), and they are paid accordingly. Supply and demand, if there is a lot of supply then the equilibrium price is lower. If something is harder there is less supply.
Not quite getting where you got supply and demand from, pretty slow today.

What i was saying was that doctor's can tell you what's wrong with you but can't actually cure you without the drugs. The drugs can't be made without all the research behind it.

Seeing as you compare pharmacists to a shopkeeper, then what are GP's who don't do surgery? They just tell you what's wrong with you - that's not a cure. Pharmacist just hand you drugs - that's not a cure. People who research and produce the drugs - that would be the cure.
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I agree irrelevance.

Anyway. who is cranster to say you would feel uncomfortable in such an environment, you are hardly gordon brown are you.
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You're right, next time you're ill just grab a bunch of random things and eat it. Any drug you can find.

The GP figures out whats wrong and the correct treatment, you give me what is prescribed.

What is a "hospital pharmacy" (I am hoping its not a fancy name for an outpatient counter). Industrial pharmacists, need to have a good grasp of a lot of things, more then a retail pharmacist for sure. Thats the jist of it all, requirements.
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What is a gp surgery? I hope it is not a fancy name for looking at people.
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Not quite getting where you got supply and demand from, pretty slow today.

What i was saying was that doctor's can tell you what's wrong with you but can't actually cure you without the drugs. The drugs can't be made without all the research behind it.

Seeing as you compare pharmacists to a shopkeeper, then what are GP's who don't do surgery? They just tell you what's wrong with you - that's not a cure. Pharmacist just hand you drugs - that's not a cure. People who research and produce the drugs - that would be the cure.
Yes, we need everything but not everything is of equal worth. (relative talk following). You need the shop keepers to give you the drugs, but their part is small and simple - doable by many (big supply), but you need the drugs so the research is important and needs more skill (less supply, more pay), you need the diagnosis which is extremely important, but very few people have this skill (again less supply). So in effect payment is for the worth of the service depending on important and availability.

You need a toiler designer and a toilet cleaner - do they deserve equal pay? While both neccessary, I don't believe they deserve equal pay - and not only because more people can clean the toilet but because one gave more to the end result. I do not understand your above post (the interpretation I get is you believe everyone along the chain is of equal value)
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What is a gp surgery? I hope it is not a fancy name for looking at people.
I didn't call anything a gp surgery, but using synonyms which are confusing is not helpful.

I didn't think this point needed mentioning, but it seems for some people it does. The dispensary in a hospital is not manned by doctors, but by pharmacists. It could be in a shopping mall for all the difference it makes. its just extra income for the hospital.
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Yes, we need everything but not everything is of equal worth. (relative talk following). You need the shop keepers to give you the drugs, but their part is small and simple - doable by many (big supply), but you need the drugs so the research is important and needs more skill (less supply, more pay), you need the diagnosis which is extremely important, but very few people have this skill (again less supply). So in effect payment is for the worth of the service depending on important and availability.

You need a toiler designer and a toilet cleaner - do they deserve equal pay? While both neccessary, I don't believe they deserve equal pay - and not only because more people can clean the toilet but because one gave more to the end result. I do not understand your above post (the interpretation I get is you believe everyone along the chain is of equal value)
Right so a dentist who cleans teeth which can be done with a brush deserves great pay does he?. You still haven't explained the high suicidial rate issue.

Payment in pharmacy is very good, may I ask what degree it is you are studying?
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I didn't call anything a gp surgery, but using synonyms which are confusing is not helpful.

I didn't think this point needed mentioning, but it seems for some people it does. The dispensary in a hospital is not manned by doctors, but by pharmacists. It could be in a shopping mall for all the difference it makes. its just extra income for the hospital.
yes well last time I checked, a dispensary is looked after by a pharmacist as that's where the drugs are. If it's extra income, how come the NHS is falling apart?

thirdly, pharmacists can be independent prescribers so yes we can diagonse unlike your previous points.
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yes well last time I checked, a dispensary is looked after by a pharmacist as that's where the drugs are. If it's extra income, how come the NHS is falling apart?

thirdly, pharmacists can be independent prescribers so yes we can diagonse unlike your previous points.
For one thing, why waste my time? Why bring things like the NHS falling apart into this discussion. The government sucks at running things, thats just how it is. How does that have to do with anything? It is extra income but when billions fall wasted everywhere else its a pittance.


If there's anything seriously wrong with me (above a cold) I go to a doctor. UK people have it sort of bad, back home I can see a doctor for more then 5 minutes without booking an appointment 3 weeks in advance. Here, people have to go to someone less qualified (nurses/pharmacists). I'm sure many people prefer less trained people to diagnose them.m Yeap.
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