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    I like him. G-O -O-B-A-M-A. He makes good speeches..he has good intentions..he wants to do the best for th US..he loves his family very much indeed...and he has ONE home.,..great!


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    I still don't see how éxperience'guarantees that someone will run a country better than someone who has less éxperience', it's about your visions of the future
    I mean Bush had it in his blood, an abundance of experience and look at him!

    and young presidents turn out to be good presidents as well
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    (Original post by Rabbit Season)
    Give some examples of his financially unrealistic policies.
    If anyone can find an election* in History which didn't contain financially unrealistic policies then I will be impressed

    You can go back the year of four emperors 2000 years ago and find the same false promises.

    *Not for head boy etc
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    Experience often translates into harding of opinion over the years, and stubbornness, not that it's a bad thing. I personally prefer Obama's level-headed approach to Iran (no preconditions to talks etc).

    Plus, with all those years in the Illinois legislature and more recently as junior senator, he's certainly not new to the whole game. He also has advisors and will be able to staff his cabinet with specialists in their field.
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    I would love Obama to be president but have a feeling he won't become president. Would be suprised if he did.
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    (Original post by Howard)
    What's he done then? A few years as a community organizer, 6 months as a director of Project Vote, 10 years as a law lecturer?

    He's hardly set the world on fire.
    Well in my opinion he has more grass-roots- experience than someone such as Clinton or McCain. Ok he has not got as much experience in regards to foreign policy, but he has 'real raw grass roots experience' which I think will benefit the American people more than someone such as Clinton or McCain leading the country.

    He summed it up with his remarks in San Francisco.

    “Experience in Washington is not knowledge of the world. This I know. When Senator Clinton brags, ‘I’ve met leaders from 80 countries,’ I know what those trips are like. I’ve been on them. You go from the airport to the embassy. There’s a group of children who do a native dance. You meet with the C.I.A. station chief and the embassy and they give you a briefing. You go take a tour of plant that” with “the assistance of Usaid has started something. And then, you go.”
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    (Original post by History Rocks)
    Well in my opinion he has more grass-roots- experience than someone such as Clinton or McCain. Ok he has not got as much experience in regards to foreign policy, but he has 'real raw grass roots experience' which I think will benefit the American people more than someone such as Clinton or McCain leading the country.

    He summed it up with his remarks in San Francisco.

    “Experience in Washington is not knowledge of the world. This I know. When Senator Clinton brags, ‘I’ve met leaders from 80 countries,’ I know what those trips are like. I’ve been on them. You go from the airport to the embassy. There’s a group of children who do a native dance. You meet with the C.I.A. station chief and the embassy and they give you a briefing. You go take a tour of plant that” with “the assistance of Usaid has started something. And then, you go.”
    Exactly, some people seem to think that if you haven't served 10 terms in the senate and fought in a war, then you aren't experienced enough. That's ********...
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    (Original post by swingin_yoyo)
    I still don't see how éxperience'guarantees that someone will run a country better than someone who has less éxperience', it's about your visions of the future
    I think the argument made in favour of experience is some slightly shabby (IMO) one of

    'In these troubled times with terrorism and evil people and economic trouble, we need someone with experience!'
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    (Original post by Ministerdonut)
    If he gets in is his election going to salvage--partially or fully--the reputation of the US from the Bush years in your eyes? Is he the saviour of the West?

    How does McCain look to you instead?

    my take

    he's left and I prefer right, given what the left have stood for over the past 30 years at least in this country. I suspect that, just like over here, if he gets in, you are going to get promotion of all the lefty causes with regard to minorities, together with a dose of self loathing because of what happened however many years ago that people now couldn't have had anything to do with, and of course, diminishing personal freedoms and higher taxes - OK, OK worse than now. If he was Republican? Go for it!

    I think the UK media love him because he's a Democrat first and Black second; I doubt black republicans such as Condeleeza Rice or Colin Powell would get anywhere near as much attention - dismissed as a couple of uncle toms I should imagine.l Obama has the support of the fluffy pink European media with their same sex marriages and butt plugs but they are not electing him. The Yanks are.

    I admire McCain - probably from an interview with him in I read some years ago. Not just because of the war record thing, but I like the "maverick" aspect - he appears to do what he thinks is right regardless of which party supports it and his career has suffered accordingly. I like the straight talking - sometimes its a bit "too straight" and he's had to apologise!

    McCain 2008!

    To be honest the person who I would prefer to run isn't. Condy rice but thats only because I have a huge crush on her!:woo:
    1. Higher taxes? Didn't you hear his speech where he said he'd be lowering taxes?
    2. McCain a maverick who ignored party lines? BS he voted with BUsh 90% of the time!
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    (Original post by Jean-Paul Sartre)
    Exactly, some people seem to think that if you haven't served 10 terms in the senate and fought in a war, then you aren't experienced enough. That's ********...
    Could'nt agree more. :]
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    Personally I would rather see Obama in the white house. I believe it will bring around a massive change in America, not just through his policies but if he delivered the dependency of foreign oil promise he would be one of the greatest modern presidents. I think he will instill a much needed change the way young people look at Politics and presidential politics in that what he has went through in his life to come to this stage. Yes he is inexperienced but again so were many great US presidents (JFK and Clinton) and they done just fine with their time in office. A McCain victory will just be seen as more of the same and people will just be as unhappy as they are now. At least an Obama victory would give some inspired hope of change for many people who had no interest in politics before this campaign began.

    I also though the DNC nailed it this week with their Convention. With the Clinton's giving Obama their backing with solid speeches (Especially Hillarys - which I thought was the best speech of the week) and last night with their Live Aid style gig at the football stadium. Very impressed. Be interesting to watch how things compare in Minnesota next week.
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    If I see the word change again I'm going to kill a puppy. Don't try me.
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    (Original post by PeeWeeDan)
    If I see the word change again I'm going to kill a puppy. Don't try me.
    Would you have to appear in a court of law and be tried for killing a puppy?:confused:
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    I love Obama. I hate it when the republicans keep talking about his inexperience. Errm Bill clinton was accused of being inexperienced when he was running and he did a great job. I dont really like Bill but I must admit when he was in the white house, America was respected, the economy was great and African Americans felt that their voices were heard. I remember when Bill clinton went to Ghana. They blocked the roads for him and some schools were closed. I remember it vividly. JFK was also inexperienced and he also did a great job and was and will always be respected.

    It comes as a shock to me when Mccain accuses him of being an elitist. Isn't Mccain the one who has soo many houses that he can't even count them. Obama grew up in a working class family and he's family struggled. He recently paid for his college loans so its just a shock. I was watching his speech live this morning and I was overwhelmed by emotions
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    McCains VP is even less experienced than Obama - hypocrisy there.
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    I like Obama a lot.
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    (Original post by Rabbit Season)
    Give some examples of his financially unrealistic policies.
    Well firstly his main economic advisor is Jason Furman, a professor with no political experience. He regularly overstates the advantage of globalization and "is a very bright fellow, but he is an unalloyed cheerleader for the trade policies that have been very destructive to manufacturing jobs in this country”.

    First off, you don’t raise taxes during a recession. Second, doubling the capital-gains tax rate will affect Americans up and down the income ladder, not just rich hedge-fund managers. Capital-gains tax cuts are self-financing, and they stimulate jobs and the economy. You want to raise budget revenues and spark economic growth? Cut the cap-gains tax rate.

    Obama also proposes uncapping the payroll tax, another blunder that will hit people up and down the income ladder. While Obama pledges tax hikes only for folks earning more that $200,000 a year, his tax hike on payrolls would actually slam middle-income earners. The cap on wages subject to the payroll tax is presently $102,000. By eliminating that cap Obama will be including veteran firemen, cops, teachers, and health-service workers, along with a variety of other occupations.

    As well as the windfall tax on big business, which might well stagnate re-investment. It seems that Obama is favouring "change" over anything substantial (although McCain isn't much better i hasten to add:p: )
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    (Original post by Captain Crash)
    That's probably because he doesn't talk straight.
    "It was a highly personal victory for Mr McCain. Six out of ten of his supporters said his qualities as a straight talker and war hero were the reason for their backing" on McCain becoming the Republican candidate. He is well known for saying whatever he wants; he has criticised Bush at various stages, tried to reform campaign finance to remove sleaze and, I believe he has been in trouble for overstepping the mark with several "borderline jokes" in the past (which shows he can say too much of what he thinks). Infact I would put his straight talking as his most electable quality over his war experience. (I've got a link which I read about a month ago on this, I'll find it soon)
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    (Original post by Albangura)
    Well firstly his main economic advisor is Jason Furman, a professor with no political experience. He regularly overstates the advantage of globalization and "is a very bright fellow, but he is an unalloyed cheerleader for the trade policies that have been very destructive to manufacturing jobs in this country”.

    First off, you don’t raise taxes during a recession. Second, doubling the capital-gains tax rate will affect Americans up and down the income ladder, not just rich hedge-fund managers. Capital-gains tax cuts are self-financing, and they stimulate jobs and the economy. You want to raise budget revenues and spark economic growth? Cut the cap-gains tax rate.

    Obama also proposes uncapping the payroll tax, another blunder that will hit people up and down the income ladder. While Obama pledges tax hikes only for folks earning more that $200,000 a year, his tax hike on payrolls would actually slam middle-income earners. The cap on wages subject to the payroll tax is presently $102,000. By eliminating that cap Obama will be including veteran firemen, cops, teachers, and health-service workers, along with a variety of other occupations.

    As well as the windfall tax on big business, which might well stagnate re-investment. It seems that Obama is favouring "change" over anything substantial (although McCain isn't much better i hasten to add:p: )
    Wow you like the sound of your own keyboard...did you just go one one of McCain's "how to answer Obama supporters with bull****" sites? Just to remind you, McCain knows next to squat about the economy, he graduated in the bottom 5 of a class of about 900 and his top economics advisor called Americans 'whiners' over their fears of recession. Nearly all his advisors also happen to be ex-lobbyists for big corporations. These are hardly the kind of people that care about individuals of the nation...

    Also stop spreading the known falsehood that Obama is simply 'raising taxes', for 95% of Americans he actually slashes them. He'll also eliminate capital gains tax for small businesses and start-ups. These two policies are much more productive and any critical individual could see they would help those most likely to be hit by recession more than the shortsighted policies of McCain.
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    (Original post by Albangura)
    "It was a highly personal victory for Mr McCain. Six out of ten of his supporters said his qualities as a straight talker and war hero were the reason for their backing" on McCain becoming the Republican candidate. He is well known for saying whatever he wants; he has criticised Bush at various stages, tried to reform campaign finance to remove sleaze and, I believe he has been in trouble for overstepping the mark with several "borderline jokes" in the past (which shows he can say too much of what he thinks). Infact I would put his straight talking as his most electable quality over his war experience. (I've got a link which I read about a month ago on this, I'll find it soon)
    This 'straight talking' includes various flip-flopping on issues, including some stark reversals, some major slipups in geopolitical knowledge (like which country Putin's the PM of and which countries border Iraq....) and plenty of ad hom attacks against Obama based on selective quoting.

    Not exactly straight talk....
 
 
 
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