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    (Original post by Seven_Three)
    What?
    'Oriental' people are Asian. Asia is a huge continent containing approximately 80% of the world's population.
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    (Original post by jismith1989)
    'Oriental' people are Asian. Asia is a huge continent containing approximately 80% of the world's population.
    If we were sitting near each other right now I would be punching you in the face.
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    As alot of people have said your argument seems pretty backward to me. And what you said about having obstacles in your way is stupid - this is 21st century UK - almost nobody discriminates by class anymore. I think your just attention seeking tbh. Plus you obviously haven't been hindered much so far as your going to study Classics at university, what possible obstacles could you have come up across?
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    (Original post by Seven_Three)
    If we were sitting near each other right now I would be punching you in the face.
    Well, that's nice. Why? For correcting you?
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    (Original post by iwilson03)
    As alot of people have said your argument seems pretty backward to me. And what you said about having obstacles in your way is stupid - this is 21st century UK - almost nobody discriminates by class anymore. I think your just attention seeking tbh. Plus you obviously haven't been hindered much so far as your going to study Classics at university, what possible obstacles could you have come up across?


    Do you honestly believe that you can do anything you want? Is there nothing that you are stopped from doing against your will? If so, I'm jealous.
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    (Original post by jismith1989)
    Well, that's nice. Why? For correcting you?
    If by 'correcting' me you mean 'being a pedantic ass', then yes, it was beacuse you corrected me.
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    (Original post by jismith1989)


    Do you honestly believe that you can do anything you want? Is there nothing that you are stopped from doing against your will? If so, I'm jealous.
    So what exactly is stopping you?
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    (Original post by Seven_Three)
    If by 'correcting' me you mean 'being a pedantic ass', then yes, it was beacuse you corrected me.
    Don't take it so personally. Asian does not mean Indian. It's basic geography.
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    Do you honestly believe that you can do anything you want? Is there nothing that you are stopped from doing against your will? If so, I'm jealous.
    When it comes to furthering education and career - yes. Obviously not commiting crimes etc. That was a pretty stupid response you made there...
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    (Original post by Seven_Three)
    I don't think you are Mr. Huang, I'm talking about Asians not oriental people.
    Erm, what most people call "Oriental" people (Chinese, Japanese, Thai, Vietnamese, Korean etc.) are South-East Asians, and Indian, Pakistani etc. people are South Asians, people from Saudi Arabia, Quatar, Kuwait etc. are Middle-Eastern Asains. Basically, all of the landmass to the East of Europe is called Asia, and so it follows that all the people living there are Asian, by the broadest definition:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_people
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asia

    From Wikipedia:
    In the United States, Canada, and Australia, the term refers most commonly to people of predominantly East Asian, South Asian, and Southeast Asian ancestry; however in the United Kingdom and Anglophone Africa, the term refers most commonly to South Asians. In other countries, the term is applied to all people from Asia in general. In the US, however, Middle Eastern and Central Asian people are usually not considered Asian peoples.
    I'm using Asian to mean all people from Asia, including myself.
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    (Original post by Seven_Three)
    So what exactly is stopping you?
    A whole bunch of constraints. Everyone is constrained to some extent.

    I'm not rich enough to travel the world; my A-Levels aren't good enough to study at Oxford (though I'd argue I could benefit from it just as much as people who's A-Levels are better); if my parents couldn't have afforded to send me to a private school (which they couldn't, but managed to nonetheless), my A-Levels would most likely be much worse; I can't speak Spanish, so I'd find getting a job there hard...

    They're just examples off the top of my head, not necessarily exemplary ones but examples nevertheless.

    If anyone's interested, read this.
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    (Original post by iwilson03)
    When it comes to furthering education and career - yes. Obviously not commiting crimes etc. That was a pretty stupid response you made there...
    Well, what about if you hadn't been to a grammar school: your teachers were crap, you go home to a council estate where windows are put through almost nightly and your dad is an alcoholic...
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    my A-Levels aren't good enough to study at Oxford
    You could argue thats more down to brains/hard work/determination rather than social constraints.

    I can't speak Spanish, so I'd find getting a job there hard...
    If you use that example then whats stopping you learning Spanish.
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    (Original post by jismith1989)
    A whole bunch of constraints. Everyone is constrained to some extent.

    I'm not rich enough to travel the world; my A-Levels aren't good enough to study at Oxford (though I'd argue I could benefit from it just as much as people who's A-Levels are better); if my parents couldn't have afforded to send me to a private school (which they couldn't, but managed to nonetheless), my A-Levels would most likely be much worse; I can't speak Spanish, so I'd find getting a job there hard...

    They're just examples off the top of my head, not necessarily exemplary ones but examples nevertheless.

    If anyone's interested, read this.
    Mate, stop complaining. You went to private school and thus had far more opportunity than those people who [like me] struggled through comprehensive school and happened - by virtue of working bloody hard - to get good A Levels and went to Oxford.

    You can't speak Spanish? Go to the library and take out a teach yourself Spanish book then!

    Most people aren't rich enough to travel the world, but that's what books are all about. Read novels from other countries. Read newspapers. Listen to music from there. Experience culture and life another way.

    The class system is full of adversarial aspects much more fundamental than the ones you're describing. It just sounds like a moan to me.
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    Well, what about if you hadn't been to a grammar school: your teachers were crap, you go home to a council estate where windows are put through almost nightly and your dad is an alcoholic...
    I got into a grammar school through hard work and nothing else. And I know plenty of people in bad domestic situations who recently did very well in their GCSE's and A levels.
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    (Original post by oriel historian)
    Mate, stop complaining. You went to private school and thus had far more opportunity than those people who struggled through comprehensive school and happened - by virtue of working bloody hard - to get good A Levels and went to Oxford.

    You can't speak Spanish? Go to the library and take out a teach yourself Spanish book then!

    Most people aren't rich enough to travel the world, but that's what books are all about. Read novels from other countries. Read newspapers. Listen to music from there. Experience culture and life another way.

    The class system is full of adversarial aspects much more fundamental than the ones you're describing. It just sounds like a moan to me.
    Ah, well you missed my point entirely.

    My examples weren't relevant to anything, I was just trying to get people to understand that situational factors exist -- we are constrained. Being a socialist you would surely agree with me; the fundament of socialism is that people are constrained by their class, right?
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    (Original post by Seven_Three)
    If by 'correcting' me you mean 'being a pedantic ass', then yes, it was beacuse you corrected me.
    You shouldn't state something as fact without first making sure that it's correct. If you make a mistake, and someone corrects you, then they're simply trying to help you learn from it.
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    (Original post by jismith1989)
    Ah, well you missed my point entirely.
    Did I?

    Look, the class system has affected me pretty badly. I have grown up in a poor family in the middle of the South Wales Valleys - perhaps the poorest place in Britain. I went to a comprehensive school and took what opportunities came my way. I just happened to be very good at Languages and History and had the sheer fortune to get an Oxford place.

    Forgive me for not going over pages of this all but I don't get how the class system has held you back when in fact you've actually benefitted from it in terms of education!
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    (Original post by jismith1989)
    My examples weren't relevant to anything, I was just trying to get people to understand that situational factors exist -- we are constrained.
    I disagree. I feel there are far more concrete factors than those you suggested in your piece.
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    (Original post by oriel historian)
    I disagree. I feel there are far more concrete factors than those you suggested in your piece.
    Perhaps, I'm going to say that my examples were good -- they weren't. Nonetheless we, as people, are constrained by many more things than we realise; my point is as simple as that.
 
 
 
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