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Yes i am freely a university snob and i wouldnt be posting on here if i wasn't, but i do still feel that my comments are justified, no there is not a big difference between Warwick and Soton, but there is a difference, just like their is between Notts and Soton. What annoys me is when people **** off my university, just because they dont like it because it is a rival in the league tables (like Kings and Loughborough) students do, and dont base their arguments on any reason (prob because they know their arguments have no fact or reason).

As for Notts being slated, its more a lack of respect whereby some cant say a single good thing about it, because for some reason they dislike it so intensely.
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Ive seen the same thing, plenty of Notts graduates when i speak to them seem to be quite pissed off at the decline in entry standards and ranking of the university, esp when they think 'god i got AAA and when i went there it was the most competitive to get into and everyone knew it', and they hate the way people now generalise that due to the entry stats being lower for a couple of years people think 'oh Notts thats not that hard to get into is it', as if it never was. They also seem to hate the way this decline was brought about just because people think if you step foot in Nottingham you will be shot or something, which is utter tripe.

I hate this meritocracy amongst people on here where every university is the same. Lets face it, the better students go to the better universities half out of a sense of pride and the most elite uni's are the ones that are harder to get into, and it would be an affront to a LSE student to say that Loughbrough is the same cos they would just say 'well i could have easily got in there if i wanted to' and Notts students feel the same because the majority of Notts students have straight A's and would have gone to Birmingham or Loughborough if they wanted to but they knew it wasnt as good. We all know that students want to go the best uni possible. There are always excpetions and im sure there are plenty of Birmingham students with 4A's, yet you'll find that the majority of students went there because they got rejected from the likes of Bristol and Warwick and we all know it.

Also in reference to Prospective economist, people seem to forget that the traditional degree is 3 years and that those in the third and fourth year had an average tariff of 430 so a large numer of current Notts students have the same grades as the likes of Bristol, York, e.t.c which is not true of Soton, Loboro or Birmingham.

Except LSE (and Oxbridge and Imperial and Harvard and I would think Durham) could go down the rankings to position 50 tomorrow and people would still not question their "elite" status. Even Bristol's position at number 10 has not sparked a prestige debate and for many people, they are solidly top 5, regardless of the rankings.

But that is evidently not true of Nottingham. Even a supposed "dip" in their standards erases whatever gloss of prestige they might have once had. This fleetness only means one thing: Nottingham have not sealed a place for themselves within the prestigious bracket.

"the better students go to the better universities"? Are Nottingham lecturers better qualified than those at Liverpool? Is the research at Nottingham significantly better than that at Leicester? Is the teaching at Nottingham better than Southampton? Are the learning facilities at Nottingham better than those at Manchester? In what way is Notts better than those other universities really?

Well maybe people just have short memories, but also maybe they were never more wow-ed by the name Nottingham than they were by the other civic universities in the first place.
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Except LSE (and Oxbridge and Imperial and Harvard and I would think Durham) could go down the rankings to position 50 tomorrow and people would still not question their "elite" status.
Hmm, I think you'd have a hard case including Durham, but not including at least UCL (and possibly Warwick). You sort of have a point, even when Durham was ranked around 17th (as it was during the late 90s) its tradition and excellence was still recognised. If it (or most unis) dropped more than 30 places in a league table then I'd imagine many would question its "elite" status. Quite rightly too.

I wouldn't say any of those three (Durham, UCL or Warwick) were "elite" though. Part of some domestic elite, perhaps (it really doesn't interest me) but part of an international elite, alongside Oxford, Cambridge, Harvard, Yale, MIT, the European ancients....no way.

You're an intriguing person, where do you study?

(Original post by AfghanistanBananistan)
As for Notts being slated, its more a lack of respect whereby some cant say a single good thing about it, because for some reason they dislike it so intensely.
Well I don't really think this does happen. Show me, in this thread, cases of people showing a lack of respect for it. I think I've probably be one of the most critical, but I accept it as a top university, with great strengths, a good campus. I just think that it could do with being a little more well-rounded and that its law department is arguably let down by its lack of tradition, certainly when it comes to the bar. This isn't the case with Oxbridge, Durham, UCL, KCL and Bristol. But it's still otherwise considered an elite department, on par with those mentioned. Its success over the past twenty years demands respect and I think most who actually know anything about it do respect it. Those who are ignorant, why should they care.

I appreciate that you're more sensitive to criticism, what with being a student, but I've never really noticed it receiving widespread, unfair lack of respect. No more than many of the other top unis who, for one reason or another (usually just rivalry or to antagonise) are ****ged off by students at another.
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is Nottingham GOOD????

good question.
let just say all things are relative.


it is NOT GOOD compared to: Oxbridge, IC, LSE, UCL

It is GOOD compared to: Sussex, Birmigham, Warwick, Leeds, and all poly

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is Nottingham GOOD????

good question.
let just say all things are relative.


it is NOT GOOD compared to: Oxbridge, IC, LSE, UCL

It is GOOD compared to: Sussex, Birmigham, Warwick, Leeds, and all poly

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First of all, the question wasn't "is Nottingham good" I think that most reasonable people (I know you aren't) would, by most standads, agree with me that Nottingham is very good indeed. I see no reason why it's any "worse" than UCL.

I think the OP's question was whether or not it has the "top ten" or traditional prestife than Oxford, Cambridge, LSE, Imperial and (possibly) UCL, Warwick, Durham and Bristol.
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is Nottingham GOOD????

good question.
let just say all things are relative.


it is NOT GOOD compared to: Oxbridge, IC, LSE, UCL

It is GOOD compared to: Sussex, Birmigham, Warwick, Leeds, and all poly
But Warwick (and possibly St Andrews) are slightly better than UCL. UCL is only more popular than the former schools especially for grad and postgrad level.

Nottingham is as prestigious as Bath and York. They are Nott's peer schools.
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(Original post by River85)

I think the OP's question was whether or not it has the "top ten" or traditional prestife than Oxford, Cambridge, LSE, Imperial and (possibly) UCL, Warwick, Durham and Bristol.
Certainly not at Oxbridge's level, but already quite close to Warwick/UCL/St Andrews/Bristol/Durham's prestige level.
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But Warwick (and possibly St Andrews) are slightly better than UCL.
:rofl:

Most of the unis that occupy the current top ten or so, outside Oxbridge and the two specialist unis, so this is Warwick, UCL, St Andrews, Durham and Bristol are all pretty much the same standard. I can possibly accept Warwick and UCL just edging it over Durham and the rest (and I mean, just) but I cannot accept Warwick being "better" than UCL and certainly not St Andrews (a top uni, but one that's no stronger than at least one of its fellow ancients).

I know you're a Warwick fanboy but that's just silly. Care to explain why you think that?
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I'm not convince Notts' prestige is going down. About 3-4 years ago, two alumni won the Nobel Prize. More money is also being poured in to upgrade the school facilities and more qualified profs are hired. Give Notts more years and it would surely climb in league tables again. Notts is a forward-thinking uni. It will never loose its prestige. If it has, I'm quite sure it's just temporary.
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(Original post by River85)
:rofl:

Most of the unis that occupy the current top ten or so, outside Oxbridge and the two specialist unis, so this is Warwick, UCL, St Andrews, Durham and Bristol are all pretty much the same standard. I can possibly accept Warwick and UCL just edging it over Durham and the rest (and I mean, just) but I cannot accept Warwick being "better" than UCL and certainly not St Andrews (a top uni, but one that's no stronger than at least one of its fellow ancients).

I know you're a Warwick fanboy but that's just silly. Care to explain why you think that?
The experts have often said that, the general selectivity level of the school (uni in UK's case) is a measure on the school's academic prestige level. For example, Oxford and Cambridge are the most selective. Is it just a coincidence that they're also the most prestigious? In the US, HYPSM are the most selective schools. But they also are the most prestigious schools for undergraduate.

After Oxford and Cambridge, you have LSE and Imperial at the most selective unis in the UK. But they also are the next most prestigious academic institutions after Oxbridge. Is that just a coincidence? I don't think so.

Before the Prince went to St Andrews, St Andrews was just another good uni in Scotland. But when the Prince went there, there was media hype and St Andrews became famous. Up until the Prince went there, UCL was more selective than St Andrews. Notice how prestige is often times correlated with selectivity?

When you'll look at the selectivity level of UCL, it doesn't say it's more selective than Warwick and St Andrews. In fact, Durham is a little more snobbish as it's a generally more selective uni than is UCL. And Nottingham isn't far from UCL's as believed by a lot of respondents here. In fact, the difference between UCL and Notts is narrowing.

I'm sorry if you hate Warwick, St Andrews, Durham, Notts and the like. But the numbers speak for themselves.
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(Original post by River85)

but I cannot accept Warwick being "better" than UCL and certainly not St Andrews (a top uni, but one that's no stronger than at least one of its fellow ancients).
Well, does it matter if you accept it or not?
Well, there are data that Warwick (and to some extent, St Andrews) are slightly better than UCL. Notts and the like is catching up with UCL. I don't care whether you accept that or not. You don't have the data (or numbers) to support your claim that UCL is better than Warwick and the like. Maybe UCL is just more popular as it has a really great graduate and postgraduate programs aside from having an amazing medical school.

UCL isn't as good and as prestigious as it was before the Prince went to St Andrews and unis like Warwick, Notts and the like were still in the blueprint. It is still prestigious and respected. But sadly, Warwick has caught up.
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I also think that Warwick has a generally better rep than UCL has for undergrad education. I'm not sure about St Andrews though, but I've heard it's such an amazing uni.
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First of all, the question wasn't "is Nottingham good" I think that most reasonable people (I know you aren't) would, by most standads, agree with me that Nottingham is very good indeed. I see no reason why it's any "worse" than UCL.

I think the OP's question was whether or not it has the "top ten" or traditional prestife than Oxford, Cambridge, LSE, Imperial and (possibly) UCL, Warwick, Durham and Bristol.

oh, sorry for mistaking "good" with "regarded as a prestigious university"

give me one more go:

is Nottingham regarded as a prestigious university????

good question.
let just say all things are relative.


it is NOT PRESTIGIOUS compared to: Oxbridge, IC, LSE, UCL

It is PRESTIGIOUS compared to: Sussex, Birmigham, Warwick, Leeds, and all poly

Let's hope no one here is silly enough to argue with that

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Let's hope no one here is silly enough to argue with that
Why? What are you going to do? So what makes you think your views are fact? It's nothing more that subjective opinion and ill informed opinion at that.

You're just some troll who, judging by your very poor command of English, s iprobably just a Chinese 14 year old kid (no offence to the Chinese population there) with no knowledge of the UK's higher education system.
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You're just some troll who, judging by your very poor command of English, s iprobably just a Chinese 14 year old kid (no offence to the Chinese population there) with no knowledge of the UK's higher education system.


This is your conclusion about me?

"A 14- year old CHINESE kid who doesn't know anything about UK's higher education system???"








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(secretly giggling)

I am not sure which uni YOU go to or what type of career you plan to pursue (or whether you actually can pursue a career), but with your sense of prejudice and poor judgement, doubt it will be anything any Brits (or chinese for that matter) would be aiming for.

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I am not sure which uni YOU go to or what type of career you plan to pursue (or whether you actually can pursue a career), but with your sense of prejudice and poor judgement, doubt it will be anything any Brits (or chinese for that matter) would be aiming for.

:o: :o: :o:
What does that even mean? River85 wants to do something no other Brit wants to do? That must be something pretty amazing. Become King of Thailand? President of Zimbabwe maybe?

Your English is poor and belies the fact that it is not your first language.

Have you ever said on here which university you are at (if any), and what you plan to do with your degree?
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River85 wants to do something no other Brit wants to do? That must be something pretty amazing.
what..................just what are you going on about.......????


so the things no other Brit wants to do must be something pretty amazing????

So are brits no longer doing anything amazing any longer? Or is River85 NOT a brits? What are you trying to say exactly?
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I am not sure which uni YOU go to or what type of career you plan to pursue (or whether you actually can pursue a career), but with your sense of prejudice and poor judgement, doubt it will be anything any Brits (or chinese for that matter) would be aiming for.

:o: :o: :o:
My university is of no relevance and neither is my career. But I can assure you that I should have no trouble pursuing the career. If I do then it will not be because I didn't go to a good enough university. Now, let's leave it at that.
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They were suggesting you said that River85 was doing something no one else had ever done, and that would be quite an achievement. :p:

It's probably best not to insult people, until you have a more indepth understanding of the language though. :p:
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what..................just what are you going on about.......????


so the things no other Brit wants to do must be something pretty amazing????

So are brits no longer doing anything amazing any longer? Or is River85 NOT a brits? What are you trying to say exactly?
Well, you said you 'doubt what River85 wants to do is something that any Brit would want'. I was merely pointing out how absolutely bizarre that sounds.

Why can't you write proper English, by the way? Where are you from?
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