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What a stupid thing to say
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I agree, make all medicine offers AAA, at any institution, (and AAAA at the better ones.)
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What do you mean by "better"? Also, what difference does one grade or so make? Med schools are still going to take students that are suitably motivated and have the potential. There is no difference in intelligence/acadmic ability between someone who has AAA and another who as AAB-ABB. What's more, and I am not a medic so if I'm talking nonsense just say, how someone performs at the age of 17-18 in English Lit, Economics, Geography, Maths or even Biology isn't a great indication of how they'll perform academically in adulthood. Especially in a subject like medicine, something they've never came across before.
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Why wasn't the second post of this thread a simple: YES.?
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why shouldn't offers be AAB or ABB?
There will many fine medics and Doctors who achieved precisely these grades?
I found medicine to be rather a lot of hard work and indeed time consuming, rather something that required excessive "cleverness"
Exactly the qualities demonstrated by achieving AAA or better. At the end of the day A-levels are about how much time you put into it, not how innately clever you are (although it would presumably help).
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If you can't do Maths A2 you're not clever enough to be in a position where someone's life can depend solely on you.
Do you drive?
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Yeah it was a common offer a long time ago. In fact, 'back in the day' medicine offers were something like CCC!

My argument is more relevant to the present day system. I think that other subjects such as Physics, Maths for many universities make AAA offers and the fact that Medicine doesn't, is somewhat strange. Now this isn't an 'instinctive thing'; if Medicine offers were higher, then medical schools could do away with irritating and expensive things like the UKCAT and the BMAT. All these measures only came in because Alevels weren't able to discriminate between students. Therefore giving out sub-maximal offers, surely they're not utilising the Alevel's discriminatory potential fully?

Now, as a seperate point, this idea of ABB being allowed to do Medicine. My problem here is not that people with ABB can become Doctors, because, as some gay boy pointed out, medical school exams are more than enough to validate someone's competency. The problem is that people who are not receiving offers for things like not having enough extra ciriculars, or not having a well-written personal statement, bright people, are missing out on a medical place to people have were unable to meet their offers. So its a question of relative rather than absolute merit.

NB> Sorry but i only give sensible respones to sensible posts
Exactly my thoughts, but phrased better haha
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(Original post by River85)
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What do you mean by "better"?

Also, what difference does one grade or so make? Med schools are still going to take students that are suitably motivated and have the potential. There is no difference in intelligence/acadmic ability between someone who has AAA and another who as AAB-ABB. What's more, and I am not a medic so if I'm talking nonsense just say, how someone performs at the age of 17-18 in English Lit, Economics, Geography, Maths or even Biology isn't a great indication of how they'll perform academically in adulthood. Especially in a subject like medicine, something they've never came across before.

Even amongst medical schools, everyone must agree that some institutions achieve higher than others. This is a fact, and as a result, being a certain standard of applicant will get you a rejection at some institutions where it will get you an offer elsewhere, since the level of competition shifts between medical schools. Even if you still are a doctor no matter where you go.

And as already said by Vazzyb, it's all relative. the point is that there are people that do achieve top grades, and don't get offers. And there are probably enough of these people to fill up the medical schools.

And if you are 'suitably motivated' why would you not be achieving AAA?

At the age of 17-18, i believe most people have reached a stage where they 'perform' at a standard which is mirrored in their adulthood. Why do people think that something magical happens when you turn 19 and you suddenly become academically more able. The truth is that if you don't take your A levels seriously, then you probably won't take medical school seriously, so what then gives you the right to deprive someone of the place, who may have taken it seriously.

And at the end of the day, if you take you A-Levels seriously, AAA is not too much to ask, especially of a future- doctor.
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(Original post by Eta)
Exactly the qualities demonstrated by achieving AAA or better. At the end of the day A-levels are about how much time you put into it, not how innately clever you are (although it would presumably help).
That is, to put it simply, garbage.

Some students work very, very hard to achieve DDD,CDD,CCD,CCC,BCC,BBC,BBB,ABB, AAB,AAA, etc, etc, etc

There is of course an element of how much time you put in, there is also an element of what your potential is.

For some students AAAA is obtained with no effort for others DDD is obtained with great effort.

If you don't know what you are talking about, then don't.
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That is, to put it simply, garbage.

Some students work very, very hard to achieve DDD,CDD,CCD,CCC,BCC,BBC,BBB,ABB, AAB,AAA, etc, etc, etc

There is of course an element of how much time you put in, there is also an element of what your potential is.

For some students AAAA is obtained with no effort for others DDD is obtained with great effort.

If you don't know what you are talking about, then don't.
Yes but students that work their asses off and achieve DDD would not be applying for medicine.

And any future-doctor should have the potential to achieve AAA with enough effort. Are you suggesting it is possible, to have the potential to be a good doctor, whilst not possessing the 'potential' of getting AAA at A-Level.
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(Original post by Vazzyb)
Yeah it was a common offer a long time ago. In fact, 'back in the day' medicine offers were something like CCC!

My argument is more relevant to the present day system. I think that other subjects such as Physics, Maths for many universities make AAA offers and the fact that Medicine doesn't, is somewhat strange. Now this isn't an 'instinctive thing'; if Medicine offers were higher, then medical schools could do away with irritating and expensive things like the UKCAT and the BMAT. All these measures only came in because Alevels weren't able to discriminate between students. Therefore giving out sub-maximal offers, surely they're not utilising the Alevel's discriminatory potential fully?

Now, as a seperate point, this idea of ABB being allowed to do Medicine. My problem here is not that people with ABB can become Doctors, because, as some gay boy pointed out, medical school exams are more than enough to validate someone's competency. The problem is that people who are not receiving offers for things like not having enough extra ciriculars, or not having a well-written personal statement, bright people, are missing out on a medical place to people have were unable to meet their offers. So its a question of relative rather than absolute merit.

NB> Sorry but i only give sensible respones to sensible posts
If only they were CCC now :rolleyes:, actually that would be a horrific idea! I agree with you on the point about AAA offers for physics, maths etc. Without wanting to sound elitist about medicine, there is more at stake for a doctor than a physicist (unless CERN causes a black hole) so it would seem that higher entrance requirements would be a sensible idea. But, this links into my point that A-levels have little impact on how good a doctor one becomes. I've read on this forum from medics that they have friends who scraped into university with ABB/BBB and are now top of the year, although this is perhaps a rarity.

Obviously, in terms of AAA, there is quite a big difference from an 80% A to the 95% A that Cambridge likes to see; henceforth people with higher UMS marks possibly are better at fully understanding and applying information rather than just learning mark schemes. I understand that very bright people miss out on medical school places due to others having more w/e and extracurriculars; personally I think this is a good thing. The majority of medical schools will only pick applicants with good grades anyway and I think the current system is producing rounded and academically sound doctors, although anomalies will be present.
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(Original post by Eta)
Yes but students that work their asses off and achieve DDD would not be applying for medicine.

And any future-doctor should have the potential to achieve AAA with enough effort. Are you suggesting it is possible, to have the potential to be a good doctor, whilst not possessing the 'potential' of getting AAA at A-Level.
(i) I have not suggested that somebody who works hard and is successful in reaching their potential of DDD would be applying to medicine. If you cannot comprehend the very basic point that I made, without making assumptions that were not made, then I am afraid to say I cannot value your comments with high regard.

(ii) Of course I am suggesting that you can be a perfectly good Doctor without "possessing the "potential" of getting AAA at A-level. Anyone who claims otherwise would surely have to be either:

A) an Idiot
B) Very Naive
or
C) an Idiot.

take ya pick....
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Should be fine, I did much the same (bio chem maths RS) so yeah.
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If only they were CCC now :rolleyes:, actually that would be a horrific idea! I agree with you on the point about AAA offers for physics, maths etc. Without wanting to sound elitist about medicine, there is more at stake for a doctor than a physicist (unless CERN causes a black hole) so it would seem that higher entrance requirements would be a sensible idea. But, this links into my point that A-levels have little impact on how good a doctor one becomes. I've read on this forum from medics that they have friends who scraped into university with ABB/BBB and are now top of the year, although this is perhaps a rarity.

Obviously, in terms of AAA, there is quite a big difference from an 80% A to the 95% A that Cambridge likes to see; henceforth people with higher UMS marks possibly are better at fully understanding and applying information rather than just learning mark schemes. I understand that very bright people miss out on medical school places due to others having more w/e and extracurriculars; personally I think this is a good thing. The majority of medical schools will only pick applicants with good grades anyway and I think the current system is producing rounded and academically sound doctors, although anomalies will be present.
The selection process would be so much easier for everyone if A Levels were harder.
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(Original post by Eta)
Yes but students that work their asses off and achieve DDD would not be applying for medicine.
I hope they work their arses off and not their asses. If they worked their asses off I'd be reporting them to the RSPCA.

Ass really is a horrible Americanism.

(Original post by Alex D)
If only they were CCC now :rolleyes:, actually that would be a horrific idea!
Even if typical offers were still CCC it doesn't mean unis will necessarily give offers to students who don't have/aren't expected to achieve all As or AAB.

But remember grade inflation. Back in those days very few students achieved AAA-AAB. Bs and Cs were considered good. This, plus increased numbers/competition, means offers go up.
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(i) I have not suggested that somebody who works hard and is successful in reaching their potential of DDD would be applying to medicine. If you cannot comprehend the very basic point that I made, without making assumptions that were not made, then I am afraid to say I cannot value your comments with high regard.

(ii) Of course I am suggesting that you can be a perfectly good Doctor without "possessing the "potential" of getting AAA at A-level. Anyone who claims otherwise would surely have to be either:

A) an Idiot
B) Very Naive
or
C) an Idiot.

take ya pick....

i) I am only talking about medical school admissions. So if we are in agreement that a DDD candidate would not be applying for medicine, then these candidates are irrelevant to any argument, so your previous statement about DDD being some peoples' 'maximum' achievable grades, is irrelevant

ii) hahaha you obviously dont understand what 'possessing potential' means

What i am saying is that it is pure lazyness not getting AAA when you are competent enough to. A levels are not difficult if you put the time in.
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**** off gay boy
homophobic too? you're going to make such a fantastic doctor hahaa. let's hope you don't specialise in genito-urinary or you'll might upset just a few people, yes people...not diagrams/pictures in your book...though i can't imagine there being any in the ones you read.

(Original post by Vazzyb)
did you get rejected or something - or is it rejection-anticipated bitterness?
what now? haha :lolwut:
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homophobic too? you're going to make such a fantastic doctor hahaa. let's hope you don't specialise in genito-urinary or you'll might upset just a few people, yes people...not diagrams/pictures in your book...though i can't imagine there being any in the ones you read.
haha yeh that's funny

no i meant gay in non-sexually-related way. im not homophobic, just for the record.
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i) I am only talking about medical school admissions. So if we are in agreement that a DDD candidate would not be applying for medicine, then these candidates are irrelevant to any argument, so your previous statement about DDD being some peoples' 'maximum' achievable grades, is irrelevant
[ ii) hahaha you obviously dont understand what 'possessing potential' means

What i am saying is that it is pure lazyness not getting AAA when you are competent enough to. A levels are not difficult if you put the time in.
You are very ignorant. A shame. Perhaps.

it is apparent that you really don't know what you are talking about.

My point with reference to various grade combinations (DDD included) was of course in response to your puerile, arrogant and incorrect assertion that

(Original post by Eta)

At the end of the day A-levels are about how much time you put into it, not how innately clever you are
The very simple fact of the matter is that A-levels are not simply about the amount of time that you put in; needless to say, if one does not put sufficient work in then it is very possible to underachieve.


(Original post by Eta)
What i am saying is that it is pure lazyness not getting AAA when you are competent enough to. A levels are not difficult if you put the time in.
you obviously struggle to keep a rational train of thought together; because that is very clearly not what you said.

you actually said

(Original post by Eta)
And any future-doctor should have the potential to achieve AAA with enough effort. Are you suggesting it is possible, to have the potential to be a good doctor, whilst not possessing the 'potential' of getting AAA at A-Level.
which has nothing whatsoever to do with what you now claim that you are saying.
If you keep trying to change your argument then you are going to end up looking even more foolish.

Anyway, I will again answer your question.
Yes I am suggesting that it is possible to be a good doctor whilst not possessing the potential of getting AAA at A-level.
It would appear that you are both option (A) and (B) from my previous observations. Well done.
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no i meant gay in non-sexually-related way. im not homophobic, just for the record.
perhaps you will modify your chosen insults after a quick read of this then.
http://gayteens.about.com/od/safetyt...thatssogay.htm
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blah...
Re-read your last post

Everything i have said follows the same argument

You use a lot of impressive vocabulary for someone so logically challenged
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