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    (Original post by DaveSmith99)
    Why did you find it necessary to add imo when it was painfully obvious it was my opinion and couldn't be taken in any other way you absolute clown :rofl:
    Says the guy that thinks Cleverley has easily been our best midfielder :lol:

    Couldn't reply to any of my points, replies with ad hom attacks, useless.
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    Gerrard was terrible today whoever says otherwise is a Liverpool fan. Every long pass was intercepted and didn't provide anything to the team than what Cleverly does at United most of the time (play sidewards and the odd pass forward that doesn't come off). In fact Lampard was much better than Gerrard today. Cleverly was better than usual but nothing special other than the pass for the goal.
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    My ratings (based on 5 being average, not like most of these rankings that put 7 as average):
    Hart - 5
    Walker - 6
    Baines - 7
    Cahill - 4
    Jagielka - 5 (Jones - 5)
    Gerrard - 5 (Oxlade-Chamberlain - 5)
    Walcott - 6 (Zaha - 7)
    Wilshere - 4 (Lampard - 5)
    Cleverley - 9 (Milner - 4)
    Welbeck - 7
    Rooney - 4 (Lambert - 8)
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    (Original post by Deshi)
    Says the guy that thinks Cleverley has easily been our best midfielder :lol:

    Couldn't reply to any of my points, replies with ad hom attacks, useless.
    Because its pointless when we clearly don't and won't agree. Calling someone a clown when they do something daft is hardly an ad hom attack.
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    (Original post by skotch)
    My ratings (based on 5 being average, not like most of these rankings that put 7 as average):
    Hart - 5
    Walker - 6
    Baines - 7
    Cahill - 4
    Jagielka - 5 (Jones - 5)
    Gerrard - 5 (Oxlade-Chamberlain - 5)
    Walcott - 6 (Zaha - 7)
    Wilshere - 4 (Lampard - 5)
    Cleverley - 9 (Milner - 4)
    Welbeck - 7
    Rooney - 4 (Lambert - 8)
    Zaha seven? Upon what grounds? He was extraordinarily mediocre.
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    (Original post by poiuytrewq54321)
    Gerrard was terrible today whoever says otherwise is a Liverpool fan. Every long pass was intercepted and didn't provide anything to the team than what Cleverly does at United most of the time (play sidewards and the odd pass forward that doesn't come off). In fact Lampard was much better than Gerrard today. Cleverly was better than usual but nothing special other than the pass for the goal.
    Doesn't even deserve a proper response. Gerrard did just as well as Cleverley going forward and defended better. So if Gerrard was terrible Cleverley must have been ****ing ****e.

    (Original post by skotch)
    My ratings (based on 5 being average, not like most of these rankings that put 7 as average):
    Hart - 5
    Walker - 6
    Baines - 7
    Cahill - 4
    Jagielka - 5 (Jones - 5)
    Gerrard - 5 (Oxlade-Chamberlain - 5)
    Walcott - 6 (Zaha - 7)
    Wilshere - 4 (Lampard - 5)
    Cleverley - 9 (Milner - 4)
    Welbeck - 7
    Rooney - 4 (Lambert - 8)
    Baines 7? Gerrard 5? Cleverley 9? Lambert 8? Zaha 7?
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    (Original post by KingMessi)
    Zaha seven? Upon what grounds? He was extraordinarily mediocre.
    The rating system was a joke think Zaha only did one pass and one cross that found another player
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    Ah, I remember watching Lambert play at Stockport County - he's come a long way
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    (Original post by Deshi)
    Doesn't even deserve a proper response. Gerrard did just as well as Cleverley going forward and defended better. So if Gerrard was terrible Cleverley must have been ****ing ****e.
    Well you're clearly just being biased. I'm just giving my opinion on what I saw. And how did Gerrard do just as well as Cleverly? Cleverly provided the assist for the goal whereas Gerrard didn't do much if anything to even get close to providing an assist. In fact every time Gerrard had the ball he passed it to Wilshere who provided more balls forward and tried to push forward than Gerrard did all game.

    And Gerrard was playing as an hold in midfielder and so clearly his gonna be defending more than Cleverly did so yes you're probably right about that.
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    (Original post by poiuytrewq54321)
    Well you're clearly just being biased. I'm just giving my opinion on what I saw. And how did Gerrard do just as well as Cleverly? Cleverly provided the assist for the goal whereas Gerrard didn't do much if anything to even get close to providing an assist. In fact every time Gerrard had the ball he passed it to Wilshere who provided more balls forward and tried to push forward than Gerrard did all game. And Gerrard was playing as an hold in midfielder and so clearly his gonna be defending more than Cleverly did so yes you're probably right about that.
    And you the United fan aren't? Gerrard provided an assist in this match (should have actually had two after that great ball to Rooney, wrongly disallowed for offside). When you're in a midfield three you're still expected to defend and the quality and quantity of Gerrard's defending was much better. So basically yeah, he was just as effective going forward and more effective in defence.
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    Cleverley-9 too :rofl: (6/7 at best)
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    (Original post by jam277)
    Cleverley-9 too :rofl: (6/7 at best)
    Hart a 5 ?!?
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    (Original post by Malevolent)
    Hart a 5 ?!?
    Possibly the worst ratings system ever
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    (Original post by KingMessi)
    Zaha seven? Upon what grounds? He was extraordinarily mediocre.

    (Original post by Deshi)
    Doesn't even deserve a proper response. Gerrard did just as well as Cleverley going forward and defended better. So if Gerrard was terrible Cleverley must have been ****ing ****e.

    Baines 7? Gerrard 5? Cleverley 9? Lambert 8? Zaha 7?

    (Original post by jam277)
    The rating system was a joke think Zaha only did one pass and one cross that found another player
    Ok, maybe I was a bit generous to some. I thought that was Cleverley's best game in an England shirt and made some superb passes.

    Lambert scored his first ever England goal after 2mins45 - that's insane! I can imagine he was really nervous, so to score and to almost score 2 further times shows great composure and maturity.

    Baines was quality, I don't know why you guys are doubting that one. He was consistent and made some decent runs forward. Scotland weren't a threat down the right wing at all really.

    Gerrard was just a bit average, didn't do all that much.

    Zaha came on and I thought he showed some promise and added flair that has been missing in that England side, he made some decent passes and looked lively; similar to Chamberlain usually plays.

    You guys are dismissing young guys that are coming in and playing alright and showing promise; that's what everyone's been banging on about for years - getting rid of the old guard that achieved next to nothing and replacing them with a bit of youth. We're not world beaters and probably won't be for many years, so maybe show a bit of optimism and be proud that we can consistently compete at a decent level.
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    (Original post by Deshi)
    And you the United fan aren't? Gerrard provided an assist in this match (should have actually had two after that great ball to Rooney, wrongly disallowed for offside). When you're in a midfield three you're still expected to defend and the quality and quantity of Gerrard's defending was much better. So basically yeah, he was just as effective going forward and more effective in defence.
    I support United yes but when England play I support England so I don't care who plays good or badly from my team or anyone else's. I just hope for an England win and today it could have gone either way because of a lack of impotence from midfield which was clear to see. Wilshere didn't have a good game same goes will Gerrard who didn't provide enough assistance in going forward. It's all good saying he defended well but he's there to push forward and today he didn't do it. And yes he assisted in the goal but he didn't do enough in midfield. Unusually for him long passes were poor and gave the ball away quite a few times (like did Wilshere). And like I said Cleverly didn't do anything special other than the pass for the goal but he moved it forward quite often today (most of the time he passes it sidewards especially for United).

    Gerrard is more experienced and I expect better from him wasn't his best days.
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    :lol:

    Are you guys seriously fighting over who played best from your team against an irrelevant team in an exhibition game.

    United fans clearly been deluded. Zaha a 9 :lolwut:

    England clearly a waste of space- not only did they struggle to beat Scotland, they actually let them score twice as well. Said it before, will say it again, in grave danger of not making the WC. People need to wake up.
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    (Original post by skotch)
    Ok, maybe I was a bit generous to some. I thought that was Cleverley's best game in an England shirt and made some superb passes.
    Yet you can probably only name one

    Lambert scored his first ever England goal after 2mins45 - that's insane! I can imagine he was really nervous, so to score and to almost score 2 further times shows great composure and maturity.
    The first chance he missed was a sitter. Only selected because Hodgson wants to try and show he picks players on form which is bull****.

    Baines was quality, I don't know why you guys are doubting that one. He was consistent and made some decent runs forward. Scotland weren't a threat down the right wing at all really.
    Baines was good, didn't really have anything to do though so hard to judge.

    Gerrard was just a bit average, didn't do all that much.
    Got an assist (should have had 2) and equaled the most tackles in the match with Jagielka.

    Zaha came on and I thought he showed some promise and added flair that has been missing in that England side, he made some decent passes and looked lively; similar to Chamberlain usually plays.
    Hardly justifies the rating you gave him

    Just so you know I think the whole team was average.
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    (Original post by 419)
    :lol:

    Are you guys seriously fighting over who played best from your team against an irrelevant team in an exhibition game.

    United fans clearly been deluded. Zaha a 9 :lolwut:

    England clearly a waste of space- not only did they struggle to beat Scotland, they actually let them score twice as well. Said it before, will say it again, in grave danger of not making the WC. People need to wake up.
    I thought Zaha was completely ineffective as he was in the Wigan game I must say. I'd give him a 2 and thats being generous. He complicates it so much at times when theres no need to do so.
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    (Original post by poiuytrewq54321)
    I support United yes but when England play I support England so I don't care who plays good or badly from my team or anyone else's. I just hope for an England win and today it could have gone either way because of a lack of impotence from midfield which was clear to see. Wilshere didn't have a good game same goes will Gerrard who didn't provide enough assistance in going forward. It's all good saying he defended well but he's there to push forward and today he didn't do it.
    I'm sorry but this is just ridiculous. You pointed out in the last post that Gerrard was playing holding midfield so should be defending more and then you go on to say the bolded part. So basically you expect Gerrard to defend more then him and also press forward as much. Interesting argument

    And yes he assisted in the goal but he didn't do enough in midfield. Unusually for him long passes were poor and gave the ball away quite a few times (like did Wilshere). And like I said Cleverly didn't do anything special other than the pass for the goal but he moved it forward quite often today (most of the time he passes it sidewards especially for United).

    Gerrard is more experienced and I expect better from him wasn't his best days.
    What does that even mean, honestly? Gerrard tackled more then any other midfielder and probably played as many balls forward as Cleverley.
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    (Original post by 419)
    Are you guys seriously fighting over who played best from your team against an irrelevant team in an exhibition game.
    How the hell are we defining "irrelevant team"? You can say they're not very good by international standards, but "irrelevant"? How insulting, Scotland are just as "relevant" as England, whatever that may mean.
 
 
 
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