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    (Original post by Fizzel)
    The comparisons are annoying, Welbeck and Sturridge are totally different strikers, only similarity is both black and play for England. It like the ****ing next Viera thing.




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    You say that, but the next Vieira was Yaya Toure. And he was black. And the next next Vieira, Pogba too.

    Comparisons between Sturridge and Welbeck are based on both being underused, played out of position and moving to another big club where they get a shot at being the main man.
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    (Original post by diggy)
    For some reason their turning Welbeck into a Sturridge 2.0 before he has even kicked a ball for them.

    I think their just justifying a buy that they would have laughed at, if it were suggested at the beginning of the transer window


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    It's pretty clear that most fans were very underwhelmed with the signing and are now trying to find positives.

    that's pretty basic human nature.
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    (Original post by e aí rapaz)
    It's pretty clear that most fans were very underwhelmed with the signing and are now trying to find positives.

    that's pretty basic human nature.
    Fair enough, but the comparison is OTT

    I hope he starts scoring more, just not against us

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    (Original post by diggy)
    Fair enough, but the comparison is OTT

    I hope he starts scoring more, just not against us

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    Like Zurich alluded to above, the comparison is just wishful thinking that he will be able to improve in the same manner that Sturridge did under similar circumstances.

    Obviously I'm hoping for the same thing, and maybe it will happen to an extent, but I'm not expecting too much.
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    (Original post by Zürich)
    You say that, but the next Vieira was Yaya Toure. And he was black. And the next next Vieira, Pogba too.

    Comparisons between Sturridge and Welbeck are based on both being underused, played out of position and moving to another big club where they get a shot at being the main man.
    Are the the next Vieira or the next black start that plays like Vieira? The point being you don't get labelled that while being white, plenty of physical b2b midfielders not mentioned as the next Toure despite playing in a similar fashion.

    I don't really agree with that either that more the case now but the comparisons were being used before that. 30 apps for United as a CF and then at the Euros the season before was hardly comparable with Sturridge at the time.




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    (Original post by Strange Fruittt)
    Lol you don't know very much about football samba
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    (Original post by AR_95)
    On the bench
    Like I said, Campbell is not making it at Arsenal.

    (Original post by Setsuna)
    I don't think Welbeck is too bad of a signning tbh. I'll laugh so hard if he eventually turns out to be the next Henry, remember he was a Juv reject.
    He was not a Juve reject, he played off the wing, had a slow start but was then getting a goal a game in his last 3 games in 6 months and he eventually went for a profit.

    If he was a flop then why would Juve sell for 0.5M more?
    (Original post by Lyrical Prodigy)
    I say we get Diego Lugano, free agent as well. Can cover till Jan mate...
    He's **** lets be honest here. Take him but you were probably better off keeping Djourou.

    (Original post by Stalin)
    Szcz
    Debuchy Kos Mert Gibbs
    Ramsey Flamini
    Alexis Ozil Welbeck
    Sanogo

    Can you stop making these ****ing **** XI lists with an emoticon?

    (Original post by liarpoker)
    LOOOOL

    (Original post by Fizzel)
    The comparisons are annoying, Welbeck and Sturridge are totally different strikers, only similarity is both black and play for England. It like the ****ing next Viera thing.


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    This. Also because they've both named Danny.

    He'll improve but not like 1 in 1 like Sturridge has been doing around. Welbeck is a 1 in 2 player which you'll see but will get assists.

    Also because they're young players, get played out of position at a big club and struggled to start for them. Even if they had a decent claim to start.

    Fergie probably should have just bought RVP, not get Kagawa, buy an actual CM and integrated Welbeck into the team that way as backup striker.

    (Original post by Fizzel)
    Are the the next Vieira or the next black start that plays like Vieira? The point being you don't get labelled that while being white, plenty of physical b2b midfielders not mentioned as the next Toure despite playing in a similar fashion.

    I don't really agree with that either that more the case now but the comparisons were being used before that. 30 apps for United as a CF and then at the Euros the season before was hardly comparable with Sturridge at the time.




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    Add that Rooney was called 'the WHITE Pele'

    It's just the inherently racialist and colour-minded nature of society. It disappoints me. Take for example Khedira who is essentially an inferior Michael Essien in his prime but never gets compared to him. Yet any big black guy who runs up and down the pitch in midfield is compared to Viera, in particular if they're french speaking like Toure/Pogba. Heck you get Essien or Viera comparisons, when the real comparison should be Essien or Khedira.

    Only time you get non racial comparisons is when they've played at the same club or the same manager. Seen Zaha compared with Ronaldo on the United thread in terms of playing style (embarrassing now you think of it). You get the same with Xavi or Iniesta who is better when they're completely different players.
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    He would of had a chance but the Welbeck signing pretty much dug his grave. No room on the left either otherwise Poldi would be getting games
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    (Original post by AR_95)
    He would of had a chance but the Welbeck signing pretty much dug his grave. No room on the left either otherwise Poldi would be getting games
    Annoying thing is what does Welbeck offer that Joel doesn't?

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    Koscielny already has ankle and head problems, he will soon suffer a bad injury leaving him out for 2 to 3 months. I can feel it, defensively we're ****ed.

    Flamini will have had a stint at CB before January, you heard it here first.
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    (Original post by ArsenalWenger)
    Annoying thing is what does Welbeck offer that Joel doesn't?

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    I'd say Welbeck is much more developed than Joel..
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    (Original post by ArsenalWenger)
    Annoying thing is what does Welbeck offer that Joel doesn't?

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    Experience and being able to play out of tight spaces in comparison to Joel. Also arguably a better goal threat as Joel Campbells goal to game ratio for the team he played for wasn't too great.
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    (Original post by ArsenalWenger)
    Annoying thing is what does Welbeck offer that Joel doesn't?

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    Experience and being able to play out of tight spaces in comparison to Joel. Also arguably a better goal threat as Joel Campbells goal to game ratio for the team he played for wasn't too great.

    (Original post by Zürich)
    Comparisons between Sturridge and Welbeck are based on both being underused, played out of position and moving to another big club where they get a shot at being the main man.
    Look at the two guys record. Sturridge had an amazing record when he started games, Welbeck only has a good record when he starts as a striker.

    7 goals in 12 games for a relegation team is nothing to be sniffed about and top league goalscorer in 11/12 season.

    Welbeck will do well, but he's a 1 in 2 striker.
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    (Original post by ArsenalWenger)
    Annoying thing is what does Welbeck offer that Joel doesn't?

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    In terms of ability and potential Campbell is certainly more gifted imo. I would say Welbeck offers consistent work rate over the 90mins whereas Joel get's burned out after 50 mins or more depending on the game and where he plays.

    Welbeck has better club and International level experience. Although Joel can more than hold his own Welbeck offers a bit more presence in the final third than Joel.

    I don't know what going on with Joel and his fitness but the fact he doesn't get game time is an injustice. If he went to Inter, AC, or Benfica he'd easily get 15+ goals from the wing and 10+ assists with consistent gametime.That's how Highly I rate him

    His agent said this which disappointed me alot

    “Benfica fought until the last minute to sign Campbell but the operation didn’t happen because, in the last hour, Arsenal decided to keep him.

    “Wenger says he did not want to sell him. But if he is not in his plans, then why not allow him to leave?”
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    The difference is Welbeck scores goals and Campbell doesn't (or no where near as much).

    It's absurd we're even comparing the two, they're miles off. Campbell is yet to prove his worth in the PL let alone have a good performance in the greek league.
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    Welbeck's interview though #Goodlad
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    Theo back in full training.
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    (Original post by AR_95)
    It's absurd we're even comparing the two, they're miles off. Campbell is yet to prove his worth in the PL let alone have a good performance in the greek league.
    He scored against the worst Manchester United team in 30 years though.

    I suppose for an Arsenal supporter, that alone is enough to make you an Arsenal legend these days.
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    (Original post by sr90)
    He scored against the worst Manchester United team in 30 years though.

    I suppose for an Arsenal supporter, that alone is enough to make you an Arsenal legend these days.
    considering none of our first team did in the league last season.. start the lad against you guys and see what happens.. (otherwise it means playing welbeck against his old club, or playing sanogo)

    Perfect time to see if he has the stones in a big league game..
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    The Theo news is probably the most positive thing coming out at the moment..

    Really hope he is ready to start against city, althogh I would prefer if he waited longer, if it means less of a risk of another injury..

    His fitness and ability to perform at his old level, is crucial to our season.. he was missed badly last year.

    in walcott - welbeck - sanchez, we have the first dirrect and pacey front three in a number of years at the club.. hope wenger realises this, and keeps the cazorlas/wilshires etc behind..
 
 
 
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