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    (Original post by adamrules247)
    I think Cameron's ideas are the biggest load of rubbish I have ever heard. Having qualifications doesn't imply you're a good teacher, communication and discipline are far, far more important to teach people. The collumnist in my local paper summed this up perfectly recently when he said that the worst teacher him and all his peers had had a masters, doctorate, etc whereas the best one was an ex-army chap who was learning the course as he went along.
    Here's why:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/8504341.stm
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    Does this apply to all teachers? Because the idea that primary school teachers need a second class degree or any degree at all is asinine. The fact that a bunch of MPs think it reaffirms the fact that it is asinine.

    Is there anything these people can't screw up?
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    What's TSR Labour's view of this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8522734.stm

    The government has been advised to back a compulsory fee to pay for social care at the end of a day of talks.

    The meeting with charities, council chiefs and care providers agreed a levy payable on death was the best option.

    But the government refused to commit to the charge - dubbed a death tax by the Tories - saying it would publish its plans soon in a White Paper.

    The Tories said it was time for ministers to come up with a plan. They want to see a voluntary scheme instead.
    On the one hand I can see that council chiefs, charities and care providers care more about the money being there than how it's raised, but on the other hand I think people would rather pay out of their estate than at 65 when they may need money themselves to live on. Plus voluntary systems have a clear issue of what you do for people who opt out: will you have grannies dying because they opted out of insurance for care they later need to survive? If you provide for them, why would anyone opt in?
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    (Original post by Drogue)
    What's TSR Labour's view of this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8522734.stm
    I'll tell you this much: I'm really fed up of the BBC, the Government, and people on here FORGETTING that health is a devolved issue in all parts of the UK and grand initiatives of this kind will ONLY apply in England.
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    I don't know if it has already been asked, but here is a question for the Labour party...

    In the paper released recently under freedom of information act concerning immigration policy, what exactly were the social objectives the government had in mind and thought immigration could contribute to? The mention of which was deleted from the final published paper, which advocated only the (now spurious - according to a recent Lords report) economic benefits of immigration.
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    (Original post by Time Tourist)
    I don't know if it has already been asked, but here is a question for the Labour party...

    In the paper released recently under freedom of information act concerning immigration policy, what exactly were the social objectives the government had in mind and thought immigration could contribute to? The mention of which was deleted from the final published paper, which advocated only the (now spurious - according to a recent Lords report) economic benefits of immigration.
    I think it is worth noting that there probably aren't any real life Labour ministers within the TSR Labour Party.
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    (Original post by iwilson03)
    I think it is worth noting that there probably aren't any real life Labour ministers within the TSR Labour Party.
    haha oh I'm all disappointed now. Good talking point though isn't it.
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    (Original post by Time Tourist)
    haha oh I'm all disappointed now. Good talking point though isn't it.


    But I agree, how about this TSR Labour - do you think there are any social advantages of immigration to the UK and if so what do you think they are?
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    (Original post by iwilson03)


    But I agree, how about this TSR Labour - do you think there are any social advantages of immigration to the UK and if so what do you think they are?

    Well thats been debated till the cows come home, many times over... my question is more specific, I want to know what their thoughts are on the deleted reference to "social objectives" in this document... what do they think labour might have had in mind, and why would they remove the reference to them? And only release the document reluctantly under FOI.
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    (Original post by Time Tourist)
    Well thats been debated till the cows come home, many times over... my question is more specific, I want to know what their thoughts are on the deleted reference to "social objectives" in this document... what do they think labour might have had in mind, and why would they remove the reference to them? And only release the document reluctantly under FOI.
    The social objectives would surely be the same thing as the supposed advantages? They probably removed the reference for obvious political reasons, given the current climate.
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    is a double dip like a 99
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    Does TSR Labour consider itself more 'Old Labour' or 'New Labour'?
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    (Original post by Jacky_B)
    Does TSR Labour consider itself more 'Old Labour' or 'New Labour'?
    Old Labour.
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    (Original post by Adorno)
    Old Labour.
    I should have put a read receipt on my pm to you, but I'd like to know if you recieved it? There wasn't really a question having read it again (I was tired). I'd like to know your thoughts though.
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    (Original post by Cardozo)
    I should have put a read receipt on my pm to you, but I'd like to know if you recieved it? There wasn't really a question having read it again (I was tired). I'd like to know your thoughts though.
    I did read it but I've been babysitting so haven't had time to reply. To be honest, if people don't want to say anything then it's up to them. I suspect other parties are active because they are either slightly older or younger than us and therefore not pursuing labour-intensive degrees. We do have several medics in the Party after all!
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    (Original post by Adorno)
    Old Labour.
    The best version then
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    (Original post by Jacky_B)
    The best version then
    Well the Labour Party's own membership card says: "The Labour Party is a democratic socialist party." We actually mean it. So yes, exactly, the best kind.
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    (Original post by Adorno)
    Well the Labour Party's own membership card says: "The Labour Party is a democratic socialist party." We actually mean it. So yes, exactly, the best kind.
    Well a few of the real Labour Party's policies are pretty right wing, but its good to see that the TSR Labour Party actually means it though :p:
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    (Original post by Jacky_B)
    Well a few of the real Labour Party's policies are pretty right wing, but its good to see that the TSR Labour Party actually means it though :p:
    Well yeah tell me about it, however in this last session the TSR Labour Party has acted to tackle Child Poverty, for example, the first time this has ever been discussed in the House of Commons. We established the principle of near-universal benefits. Me personally, I'm committed to ending the private sector privilege of independent schools, a properly federal Britain, and a number of other Bevanite ideas which are, to say the least, different in this House of Thatcherite Libertarians and anarcho-capitalists. To say nothing of the Lib Dems who wouldn't know politics if it slapped them in the face. Feel free to join up.
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    (Original post by Adorno)
    Well the Labour Party's own membership card says: "The Labour Party is a democratic socialist party." We actually mean it. So yes, exactly, the best kind.
    I find it quite amusing that the first time the party termed itself socialist in its constitution was exactly when it stopped being a socialist party (ie. when Blair took the reigns). The party (this whole post refers to the real life Labour Party) has started moving towards the left eg. getting back into bed with the unions (who didn't fund Labour under Blair's leadership - though I'm sure you know all this).

    Anyway, not really sure what I was trying to achieve with that ramble, I'll jog along now..
 
 
 
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