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    (Original post by DMcGovern)
    No we bloody well won't you traitor. Next thing you'll be suggesting the bureaucratic collectivisation of agriculture and tricking me into not attending SLF's funeral!


    Is Stiff Little Fingers still about?
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    (Original post by mobbsy91)
    That sucks for you then, since Labour already beat us to it xD
    Bloody bourgeois deceivers.
    The Labour Party: the main instrument of capitalist control of the workers.

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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    Is Stiff Little Fingers still about?
    He is aye, he's not as active as he used to be in the Politics section because he's a mod now and hasn't been an MP
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    (Original post by DMcGovern)
    He is aye, he's not as active as he used to be in the Politics section because he's a mod now and hasn't been an MP
    I've been a mod for three years and involved in here for plenty of that time. The bigger cause is that the place constantly felt like scandals for the sake of scandals and partisan arguments spilling over from policy to general chatter and ceased to be fun as a result.
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    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    I've been a mod for three years and involved in here for plenty of that time. The bigger cause is that the place constantly felt like scandals for the sake of scandals and partisan arguments spilling over from policy to general chatter and ceased to be fun as a result.
    I know what you mean, the fun has definitely been declining for the year and a bit that I've been here.
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    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    I've been a mod for three years and involved in here for plenty of that time. The bigger cause is that the place constantly felt like scandals for the sake of scandals and partisan arguments spilling over from policy to general chatter and ceased to be fun as a result.
    I am glad that I am not the only one who wishes it to return to being solely a House debating issues, not one with duping and other silly behaviour.
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    (Original post by barnetlad)
    I am glad that I am not the only one who wishes it to return to being solely a House debating issues, not one with duping and other silly behaviour.
    I dunno, maybe just keep one duping scandal for every 2-3 terms, just for that little bit of extra excitement. The debating can be the cake, and the rare scandal can be the cherry on top!
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    In the House we are fortunate enough to have a bar, even though some of the discussion can be strange or get out of hand on occasions.

    Many communities are losing their local pub, an alarming rate of closer. Supporting local pubs with business rate relief could be a help and stave off closure for some, and so should be supported.
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    (Original post by mobbsy91)
    I dunno, maybe just keep one duping scandal for every 2-3 terms, just for that little bit of extra excitement. The debating can be the cake, and the rare scandal can be the cherry on top!
    There are a few MHoC members, and I won't mention any names, who just love to stir up trouble.
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    (Original post by barnetlad)
    In the House we are fortunate enough to have a bar, even though some of the discussion can be strange or get out of hand on occasions.

    Many communities are losing their local pub, an alarming rate of closer. Supporting local pubs with business rate relief could be a help and stave off closure for some, and so should be supported.
    I'd definitely be up for helping pubs tbh!
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    (Original post by Quamquam123)
    There are a few MHoC members, and I won't mention any names, who just love to stir up trouble.
    Like whom??? PM me?? But, I'd agree and disagree.. I think sometimes things can get flat, and so a bit of trouble does make things interesting, depending on how far it goes!
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    (Original post by barnetlad)
    In the House we are fortunate enough to have a bar, even though some of the discussion can be strange or get out of hand on occasions.

    Many communities are losing their local pub, an alarming rate of closer. Supporting local pubs with business rate relief could be a help and stave off closure for some, and so should be supported.
    Part of the reason pubs are closing is because of immigrantion especially in islamic areas such as Aston, Small heath,tipton,saltley and Leicestershire-they do not drink beer and the demand is switched off the immigrants are always threw to the midlands. No problem with them coming but a cap needs serious consideration
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    (Original post by ChildOfTony)
    Part of the reason pubs are closing is because of immigrantion especially in islamic areas such as Aston, Small heath,tipton,saltley and Leicestershire-they do not drink beer and the demand is switched off the immigrants are always threw to the midlands. No problem with them coming but a cap needs serious consideration
    Leicestershire isn't an islamic area; single biggest group is christians, then atheists, with muslims and hindus roughly level; and the closure of pubs in Leicestershire is far more concentrated to the rural villages due to declining footfall from the increase in proportion of second home owners and commuters.
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    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    Leicestershire isn't an islamic area; single biggest group is christians, then atheists, with muslims and hindus roughly level; and the closure of pubs in Leicestershire is far more concentrated to the rural villages due to declining footfall from the increase in proportion of second home owners and commuters.
    And perhaps the most obvious reason, affordability.

    Pubs used to be almost a community hub where you go down a couple of times a week. People don't have the time nor the money to do that anymore.
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    (Original post by ChildOfTony)
    Part of the reason pubs are closing is because of immigrantion especially in islamic areas such as Aston, Small heath,tipton,saltley and Leicestershire-they do not drink beer and the demand is switched off the immigrants are always threw to the midlands. No problem with them coming but a cap needs serious consideration
    Immigration is a ridiculously small part of the reason pubs are closing. And Leicestershire isn't a Muslim area....
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    (Original post by DMcGovern)
    No we bloody well won't you traitor. Next thing you'll be suggesting the bureaucratic collectivisation of agriculture and tricking me into not attending SLF's funeral!



    I would. I like Sunday trading laws.



    And I'll be making sure it waits.
    Something you don't realise about me is that essentially apart from wanting to nationalise everything, apart from wanting to ban transactions between private individuals, apart from wanting to pay everyone the same amount, and apart from wanting to allocate individuals to jobs, I'm essentially an economic liberal.
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    There are three main reasons pubs are closing:

    1) Beer ties (google them)
    2) Increasing wealth inequality - the demographic at pubs is largely a) poor or b) young
    3) Taxes which cause them to be unable to compete with supermarkets

    Saying it's because of immigration is just ridiculous, you realise that pubs are mostly closing in country villages which immigration has barely touched?
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    Something you don't realise about me is that essentially apart from wanting to nationalise everything, apart from wanting to ban transactions between private individuals, apart from wanting to pay everyone the same amount, and apart from wanting to allocate individuals to jobs, I'm essentially an economic liberal.
    Don't ever break it down like that again, you will give me a heart attack. All I saw for the first 5 seconds is the words "economic liberal" :eek:

    That sounds like you want the state to control everything...and nothing.
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    (Original post by DMcGovern)
    Don't ever break it down like that again, you will give me a heart attack. All I saw for the first 5 seconds is the words "economic liberal" :eek:

    That sounds like you want the state to control everything...and nothing.
    I fully support state-owned profit-making corporations, as well as competition between state-owned firms.
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    I fully support state-owned profit-making corporations, as well as competition between state-owned firms.
    That sounds like the state playing games with things it owns, like a makeshift toy set
    I support it as well but the way you described it just made me think of it like that
 
 
 
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