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    (Original post by IrrationalRoot)
    I don't have max since I'm only platinum membership but thanks analysing it!
    Yeah I get what you mean from earlier though, even though this guy was sub 1500 he took a hell of a lot of effort to beat, simply because the position never got too complicated so I had to gradually build up a positional advantage and grind the endgame (using every morsel of my strategic ability lol) to convert it. Problem with playing against 2.Bc4 is that you always get a slightly stronger position as black but it can simplify too much (d5 eventually must be played which in fact simplifies the position some).

    I never used to be good at strategy now but I'm improving - a lot of the ideas I used in this game I had seen up to 3/4 moves in advance which is nice because your opponent walks right into your plans .
    I did notice that you're very strong on tactics trainer; I've just broken 1800. So I think your tactical ability is fine for now, definitely have a go at what I did and do some of IM Silman's lessons on mentor where you play through games, it's very instructive (and difficult!).
    Also I spent a lot of time on my moves, really draining but I get accurate play out of it which I couldn't produce in blitz.
    No worries. Yeah all the chess wisdom on 2. Bc4 says that it's a load of crap, but I don't really do amazingly well against it - certainly better than against a more conventional Sicilian structure for white like the Yugoslav attack, but still. It often seems to lead to more watered down (and frequently lifeless) positions as you suggest. Though truth be told I quite enjoy the endgame.

    Yeah I've looked at some of those lessons but I didn't really take it in. I suppose as with anything you have to work hard and smart to git gud. And I guess it does come down to the time control - I think playing classical, or at least rapid, chess actually improves your blitz skill more than playing blitz in a way, as you have time to think over your moves and work out good strategies in certain positions, which you can then just replicate at speed in a blitz game. Whereas just playing blitz, you're never really thinking, and you make the same mistakes over and over. I'd like to play with proper hardcore tournament time controls, but I'd need it to be in a tournament to have motivation. If I am able to make a team in Warwick next year, the D team if needs be (I dunno how selective the C is - there's A,B,C,D; A and B are misleading as they are basically just as strong), then I guess I can do that.

    With regards to Chess Network, I've watched loads of his videos and he has a very organised and lucid thought process which is insightful. Once again though it is a matter of knowing the correct process vs. actually applying it I guess.
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    (Original post by IrrationalRoot)
    Oh right lol, yeah I'll play a game .
    Can't type in spectators room, but wanted to say I'm just looking for a way to win
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    No worries. Yeah all the chess wisdom on 2. Bc4 says that it's a load of crap, but I don't really do amazingly well against it - certainly better than against a more conventional Sicilian structure for white like the Yugoslav attack, but still. It often seems to lead to more watered down (and frequently lifeless) positions as you suggest. Though truth be told I quite enjoy the endgame.

    Yeah I've looked at some of those lessons but I didn't really take it in. I suppose as with anything you have to work hard and smart to git gud. And I guess it does come down to the time control - I think playing classical, or at least rapid, chess actually improves your blitz skill more than playing blitz in a way, as you have time to think over your moves and work out good strategies in certain positions, which you can then just replicate at speed in a blitz game. Whereas just playing blitz, you're never really thinking, and you make the same mistakes over and over. I'd like to play with proper hardcore tournament time controls, but I'd need it to be in a tournament to have motivation. If I am able to make a team in Warwick next year, the D team if needs be (I dunno how selective the C is - there's A,B,C,D; A and B are misleading as they are basically just as strong), then I guess I can do that.

    With regards to Chess Network, I've watched loads of his videos and he has a very organised and lucid thought process which is insightful. Once again though it is a matter of knowing the correct process vs. actually applying it I guess.
    2.Bc4 can be a very tough nut to crack sometimes. Dead positions and such. I mean, it's incredibly unambitious for white and plays for a draw at best, but at the same time it doesn't give black too much play either, maybe in the endgame he wins if white isn't accurate.
    Though I've actually found I'm starting to enjoy the endgame in general a lot more.

    You're right about blitz; you could play 1000 games and still not improve simply because you're repeating the same mistakes and not learning (that's not to say you can't learn from blitz though). Long, stressful, nervy games with loads of thinking is the best way to improve XD.

    I can't wait to try to join a team at Warwick, will be awesome to play in some OTB tournaments with long time controls etc. .

    Emulating his kind of thought process takes practice, but it's a good guideline.
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    That was a nice game, although way too many mistakes on my part. I was always aware of the f5 break I had available but clearly didn't evaluate it correctly and thus didn't play it when it was the top move for a couple of moves. Also one Qa5+ I calculated quite deeply but refuted it since there's no way I'd come up with Bxf3 attacking his queen when his rook is attacking mine lol (this was about 5 moves into the line though).

    Worst mistake was calculating the Ne5 line and not realising that he simply has Be2 at the end; only realised when I played Bg4 and was hoping that he wouldn't see Be2 XD.

    Endgame was fine (weird how I seem to be so accurate in endgames) but lol I lost forced checkmate sequence. I realised it at the time too and I was like noooo he can delay the game one move longer by sacking his other rook!
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    (Original post by IrrationalRoot)
    2.Bc4 can be a very tough nut to crack sometimes. Dead positions and such. I mean, it's incredibly unambitious for white and plays for a draw at best, but at the same time it doesn't give black too much play either, maybe in the endgame he wins if white isn't accurate.
    Though I've actually found I'm starting to enjoy the endgame in general a lot more.

    You're right about blitz; you could play 1000 games and still not improve simply because you're repeating the same mistakes and not learning (that's not to say you can't learn from blitz though). Long, stressful, nervy games with loads of thinking is the best way to improve XD.

    I can't wait to try to join a team at Warwick, will be awesome to play in some OTB tournaments with long time controls etc. .

    Emulating his kind of thought process takes practice, but it's a good guideline.
    Yeah you feel black should have a nice endgame with the pleasant pawn structure (and often the bishop pair advantage if the light square bishop trades itself for a knight) but it's nowhere near as sharp as a standard Dragon or Najdorf, and hence, even if those positions are far better options for white, there's less opportunity to play aggressively. For me the simplicity of the endgame is rather nice. Some of the most enjoyable parts of chess involve nursing a reasonable endgame advantage to a totally won position. (Being on the receiving end of such a squeeze is less fun). Still, my theory needs a lot of brushing up...I've looked at some of the key endgame situations but forgotten everything, of course.

    Try well over 2000 games in my case. Warwick also go to the London Chess Classic for the open section (I opted out last year, I can't remember what stopped me from going lol) which would be an experience.
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    (Original post by 13 1 20 8 42)
    Yeah you feel black should have a nice endgame with the pleasant pawn structure (and often the bishop pair advantage if the light square bishop trades itself for a knight) but it's nowhere near as sharp as a standard Dragon or Najdorf, and hence, even if those positions are far better options for white, there's less opportunity to play aggressively. For me the simplicity of the endgame is rather nice. Some of the most enjoyable parts of chess involve nursing a reasonable endgame advantage to a totally won position. (Being on the receiving end of such a squeeze is less fun). Still, my theory needs a lot of brushing up...I've looked at some of the key endgame situations but forgotten everything, of course.

    Try well over 2000 games in my case. Warwick also go to the London Chess Classic for the open section (I opted out last year, I can't remember what stopped me from going lol) which would be an experience.
    I've only recently started liking the quiet positions more because of Silman's lessons which taught me a bit about strangling your opponent by completing destroying his counterplay and then only playing unopposed (in the style of Capablanca etc.). Really starting to like that style of play as opposed to tactical races and very open games.
    And yeah I'm growing fond of the challenge of Carlsen-style grinding a slightly better endgame to a win, the endgame is so much richer than I thought it was.

    Wow Warwick chess seems to be really involved in stuff (makes me feel slightly better about missing Cambridge lol), I'll probably go to the LCC if I can.
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    (Original post by IrrationalRoot)
    I've only recently started liking the quiet positions more because of Silman's lessons which taught me a bit about strangling your opponent by completing destroying his counterplay and then only playing unopposed (in the style of Capablanca etc.). Really starting to like that style of play as opposed to tactical races and very open games.
    And yeah I'm growing fond of the challenge of Carlsen-style grinding a slightly better endgame to a win, the endgame is so much richer than I thought it was.

    Wow Warwick chess seems to be really involved in stuff (makes me feel slightly better about missing Cambridge lol), I'll probably go to the LCC if I can.
    I've been through a lot of them now. Very interesting stuff, though to be honest I found myself clicking the hint basically all the time.
    Pfft, Carlsen grinds slightly worse endgames to a win.

    Yeah they're a good society; from what I've heard Cambridge and Imperial aren't bad either though.
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    (Original post by PrincessBO$$)
    Everyone please take your time to mourn over the loss of OP
    She got banned from TSR
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    (Original post by 13 1 20 8 42)
    I've been through a lot of them now. Very interesting stuff, though to be honest I found myself clicking the hint basically all the time.
    Pfft, Carlsen grinds slightly worse endgames to a win.

    Yeah they're a good society; from what I've heard Cambridge and Imperial aren't bad either though.
    Me too with clicking through the hints, but if you take a lot of time and learn from your mistakes you notice improvement (although it's still really hard lol).
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    (Original post by IrrationalRoot)
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    Check out this solid advertisement for 2. Bc4 :rofl: An average centipawn loss of 0 for me.

    https://www.chess.com/live/game/1706692071
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    Anyone got some advice on good ways to improve?
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    Anyone got some advice on good ways to improve?
    How good are you already?
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    Anyone else here a beginner player like me? (my ECF grade is 87 btw)
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    (Original post by 13 1 20 8 42)
    How good are you already?
    Not particularly. Was around 1100 on chess.com last time I went on (though that was admittedly a while ago). Would like to improve though.
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    https://lichess.org/K057lBYg open game.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    Not particularly. Was around 1100 on chess.com last time I went on (though that was admittedly a while ago). Would like to improve though.
    Well improving your tactics is a fairly simple affair I think. It is simply about pattern recognition, it's about constant repetition of the same themes. Puzzles on chess.com (you have to pay to do lots of them though) or lichess, or chess tempo (these might be the best bet - free, and less harsh if you don't find the absolute best continuation) for instance are really good for this, although they can be misleading with regards to your actual chess ability, as in a real chess game you might not know when exactly to look for tactics. Otherwise, any chess coach will say that nothing is better for your ability than playing long (i.e. 90 minutes to 2 hours for each player) games, and really thinking about your moves.

    I've also found looking at great games, often through youtube channels like Kingscrusher's where a strong player will analyse them, to be insightful, though how much it's bled into my own, rather weak, as a function of time played, game is questionable. As Irrational Root has said Chess Network has some really good stuff as well (his beginner to chess master series he's doing at the mo has some really nice stuff, but can be a bit slow and rudimentary at points).
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    (Original post by 13 1 20 8 42)
    Well improving your tactics is a fairly simple affair I think. It is simply about pattern recognition, it's about constant repetition of the same themes. Puzzles on chess.com (you have to pay to do lots of them though) or lichess, or chess tempo (these might be the best bet - free, and less harsh if you don't find the absolute best continuation) for instance are really good for this, although they can be misleading with regards to your actual chess ability, as in a real chess game you might not know when exactly to look for tactics. Otherwise, any chess coach will say that nothing is better for your ability than playing long (i.e. 90 minutes to 2 hours for each player) games, and really thinking about your moves.

    I've also found looking at great games, often through youtube channels like Kingscrusher's where a strong player will analyse them, to be insightful, though how much it's bled into my own, rather weak, as a function of time played, game is questionable. As Irrational Root has said Chess Network has some really good stuff as well (his beginner to chess master series he's doing at the mo has some really nice stuff, but can be a bit slow and rudimentary at points).
    Cheers. I'll look up chess tempo, network and Kingcrusher.

    Yeah I do tend to play short-timed games when I play online - damn impatience.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    Cheers. I'll look up chess tempo, network and Kingcrusher.

    Yeah I do tend to play short-timed games when I play online - damn impatience.
    Same; I rarely follow the advice, though I know I should. I don't think it's a black or white (no pun intended) thing though - playing proper long games is probably best, but playing, say, 15|10 instead of 3|0 gives you so much more time to think. And then playing 45|45 gives you so much more time to think than that, and so on (up to the standard classical time control, 90 minutes for the first 40 moves and 30|30 for the remainder, IIRC). I think blitz - that is, around the 3 minute to 10 minute mark - is the absolute limit for improving your chess at all. Bullet is so fast that it ceases to feel like chess half the time and you will mainly pick up on cheeky time burning tricks and fast mouse movement.
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    (Original post by 13 1 20 8 42)
    Same; I rarely follow the advice, though I know I should. I don't think it's a black or white (no pun intended) thing though - playing proper long games is probably best, but playing, say, 15|10 instead of 3|0 gives you so much more time to think. And then playing 45|45 gives you so much more time to think than that, and so on (up to the standard classical time control, 90 minutes for the first 40 moves and 30|30 for the remainder, IIRC). I think blitz - that is, around the 3 minute to 10 minute mark - is the absolute limit for improving your chess at all. Bullet is so fast that it ceases to feel like chess half the time and you will mainly pick up on cheeky time burning tricks and fast mouse movement.
    I think I'm usually most comfortable with 5|0 but I'll definitely have a go at longer games. :yy: I can see how you'd get into bad habits and, for example, not prioritise playing to a checkmate.
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    (Original post by 13 1 20 8 42)
    Check out this solid advertisement for 2. Bc4 :rofl: An average centipawn loss of 0 for me.

    https://www.chess.com/live/game/1706692071
    LOL, the number of times the poor guy just nestles his queen on that square and then resigns next move...
    I've realised 2.Bc4 also has bad results simply because good players don't play it; playing the move is equivalent to saying "I've never heard of the Sicilian."
 
 
 
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