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    (Original post by Zürich)
    Who saw Aaron Ramsey developing like he has or Koscielny turning into such a top defender?
    Not to toot my own horn, but I called both those when they were getting taken apart. Perhaps not Ramsey to the extent he came on this season, but in general I thought he'd come good, I'd have like him at United.
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    (Original post by Fizzel)
    Not to toot my own horn, but I called both those when they were getting taken apart. Perhaps not Ramsey to the extent he came on this season, but in general I thought he'd come good, I'd have like him at United.
    Honestly saw Ramsey play about 40 times live before this season and never saw much that genuinely excited me, used to think those who rated him were just seeing things they wanted to because of his injury and him being a nice Welsh boy.

    Fergie must have seen it as well, was raging in his autobiography that Ramsey chose Arsenal :laugh:

    Koscielny I could tell there was a player there, Mertesacker has brought him on a level though.

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    Ramsey could easily depart he's spoken about barca/madrid

    Mert/koscielny don't have long left

    End of the day, if that happens it happens. Not even Utd could stop Ronaldo moving when it comes to the crunch so that's just one of those things.

    Wouldnt say Ramsey is the type to **** Wenger over like others have though.
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    (Original post by Zürich)
    Wouldnt say Ramsey is the type to **** Wenger over like others have though.
    Awww like Cesc wasn't? Aww how cute
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    (Original post by Murder2Excellenc)
    Awww like Cesc wasn't? Aww how cute
    You dont think Ramsey seem like a genuinely honest and respectful guy who knows who's been good to him? Can you imagine him refusing to train like Cesc or releasing bull**** statements like RVP? I
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    (Original post by Zürich)
    Fergie must have seen it as well, was raging in his autobiography that Ramsey chose Arsenal :laugh:
    Terrible but as a United fan I still haven't read it, got it on my shelf but not that keen tbh. Just got a feeling its going to be massively bias. Just felt with Fergie's personality and how quick it came out, it wasn't going to be that insightful and measured. We were really close to signing him, it still on the website
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    (Original post by Zürich)
    You dont think Ramsey seem like a genuinely honest and respectful guy who knows who's been good to him? Can you imagine him refusing to train like Cesc or releasing bull**** statements like RVP? I
    1. My heart is with Arsenal and I just can’t picture myself in a different shirt. I just can’t see it now because I love this Club so much.


    2. If you look at the last five years, look at the steps I have made every season, if you look at the support the Boss and the whole Club gave me, the fans gave me, my team mates gave me – this is the right decision. – van Persie.


    3. I have never stopped believing in Arsenal. I love this club, this is my seventh year now. Arsenal gave me a chance to develop into a good player and I want to repay the Club and the fans and everyone with trophies. – van Persie.


    4. I believe in Arsenal as a club, in the fans, in the teams. I just love Arsenal. – van Persie. I feel like a real Gunner. I love this club, that’s no secret. – van Persie.


    5. One of the main reasons I signed was to lift a big trophy. I do not want to do it with a different team. I want to lift it with Arsenal. – van Persie.


    6. I love this Club, I think it’s a Club of class, if you look at our people who are working for Arsenal, from the boss to the people working at the Emirates, anyone who I speak to, anyone who is involved with Arsenal, they have class. – van Persie.


    7. Arsenal is a massive club, whatever happens I’ll always love this club. – van Persie.

    8. Even if you want to leave, as a player, I don’t think it is easy because when you move to Arsenal you are led there by your heart. – van Persie.




    ‘They [Arsenal] are in my heart. They gave me everything. I owe Arsene Wenger basically everything,’ he told BBC’s Football Focus. (Cesc)
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    (Original post by Murder2Excellenc)
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    Words are words though, not saying I believe Ramsey's promises, because he hasnt felt the need to make any, I'm just saying he seems like a nice, humble fella.

    That's not to say he wouldnt end up joining Real/Barca should the opportunity arise, just that he would be pretty honest about things and probably would give Wenger another season at least another season of world class service and certainly wouldnt pull any of the nonsense that Cesc/RVP did.
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    (Original post by Zürich)
    Words are words though, not saying I believe Ramsey's promises, because he hasnt felt the need to make any, I'm just saying he seems like a nice, humble fella.

    That's not to say he wouldnt end up joining Real/Barca should the opportunity arise, just that he would be pretty honest about things and probably would give Wenger another season at least of world class service and certainly wouldnt pull any of the nonsense that Cesc/RVP did. Foreigners...
    It's not to do with joining Real or Barca, it's to do with leaving Arsenal. Fabregas, Nasri, van Persie, Hleb, Kolo, Ade, Clichy, they all left not because it was Barca/Madrid, but to win trophies at other clubs.

    When was Cesc not honest about leaving? lol.
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    Honestly, Ramsey just seems quiet and humble (compared to RVP). However, Wenger only has three seasons remaining. I think Ramsey will stay for those, but may (justifiably) leave afterwards if there is no progress.
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    (Original post by Murder2Excellenc)
    It's not to do with joining Real or Barca, it's to do with leaving Arsenal. Fabregas, Nasri, van Persie, Hleb, Kolo, Ade, Clichy, they all left not because it was Barca/Madrid, but to win trophies at other clubs.

    When was Cesc not honest about leaving? lol.
    Let's see what happens, let's at least not win the trophies before we start worrying about it. Ramsey's just won the cup, he's 23 and at one of the top teams in Europe. Sure he's not thinking about it, so why should we?

    But British players tend to much more genuine, and as I say I think Ramsey is one of the most decent and respectful footballers around.
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    (Original post by Zürich)
    Let's see what happens, let's at least not win the trophies before we start worrying about it. Ramsey's just won the cup, he's 23 and at one of the top teams in Europe. Sure he's not thinking about it, so why should we?

    But British players tend to much more genuine, and as I say I think Ramsey is one of the most decent and respectful footballers around.
    You've spent the last decade not winning trophies. Ramsey will definitely not be thinking about it right now, and rightfully so.

    But Arsenal would be in a much, much, much stronger position if Ramsey has won a league title and another cup, instead of **** all, when Barca come calling in 1/2 years.
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    (Original post by Murder2Excellenc)
    You've spent the last decade not winning trophies. Ramsey will definitely not be thinking about it right now, and rightfully so.

    But Arsenal would be in a much, much, much stronger position if Ramsey has won a league title and another cup, instead of **** all, when Barca come calling in 1/2 years.
    Is this discussion? Is this banter? Why are you even on the thread?

    You're a Liverpool fan. You've won less than Arsenal since we moved to the Emirates, even though we've had a £450m stone around out neck. Youve never won the title, and may not in my lifetime :awesome:
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    (Original post by Zürich)

    Wenger often sees things that us mugs do not. Who saw Aaron Ramsey developing like he has or Koscielny turning into such a top defender?
    Tbh, I did on both situation.
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    (Original post by 419)
    Tbh, I did on both situation.
    Fair dos, loads did but most didnt. I'll hold my hands up and say I was dismayed whenever I saw Ramsey's name on the teamheet, and so did most in the stadium even if many will deny it now

    Definitely on the *Jack Wilshere gonna make it* train though nice and early
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    (Original post by Zürich)
    Is this discussion? Is this banter? Why are you even on the thread?

    You're a Liverpool fan. You've won less than Arsenal since we moved to the Emirates, even though we've had a £450m stone around out neck. Youve never won the title, and may not in my lifetime :awesome:
    Because I like coming in here and offering insight where you guys only show delusion.

    Cba for a club vs club war
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    (Original post by Murder2Excellenc)
    Because I like coming in here and offering insight where you guys only show delusion.

    Cba for a club vs club war
    The last time you showed genuine insight was four name changes ago.
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    (Original post by 419)
    I am 419 and I'm currently cry ****ing over my life sized cardboard cutout of Koscielny
    it's ok m8 just next time heed my words
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    (Original post by Pete_91)
    The last time you showed genuine insight was four name changes ago.
    think you've used that line before boss
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    (Original post by Zürich)
    Fair dos, loads did but most didnt. I'll hold my hands up and say I was dismayed whenever I saw Ramsey's name on the teamheet, and so did most in the stadium even if many will deny it now

    Definitely on the *Jack Wilshere gonna make it* train though nice and early
    That's because he was really playing like **** back then, trying to do too much and trying too hard at times. In 2012, he was mostly a liability to the team. Then he went back to basics and progressively rebuilt his game again to become the Ramsey of 2013/2014.
 
 
 
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