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    (Original post by nerdling_CompSci)
    Allen makes tackles, successful tackles. Something that henderson doesn't do.

    Barcelona only have one giant (busquet) in the midfield. And they do fine. Also allen has had no problems in the midfield so far, dont see his physicality being an issue.

    We have a tank (Emre can) for protection.


    Henderson + Can midfield has proven time after time to be a disaster

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    Well in the Southampton game at St Mary's, he simply was dominated by Wanyama in the second half. Barcalona may not have tall players but none of their players are pushovers either, they have enough strength to retain the ball (tbh their league isn't as physical as ours so not a fair comparision imo), not sure if Allen can retain the ball up comfortably against physical opposition. There is also the issue of long balls which Allen will have to face against taller players, chances are he will lose those aerial duels and we lose control of the midfield and concede goals (something that has been the recurring theme for the past season)
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    (Original post by nerdling_CompSci)
    Allen makes tackles, successful tackles. Something that henderson doesn't do.

    Barcelona only have one giant (busquet) in the midfield. And they do fine. Also allen has had no problems in the midfield so far, dont see his physicality being an issue.

    We have a tank (Emre can) for protection.


    Henderson + Can midfield has proven time after time to be a disaster

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    Well there's must be a reason why Rodgers and Klopp both favoured Henderson over Allen. Henderson's numbers stack up fine. Not sure Allen can dominate a midfield enough (whether physically or just by passing/movement).

    Barcelona can afford to have a team of midgets because they are so free scoring and previously held so much possession. When we're able to retain possession so well, we can keep Allen?

    Not sure how it proved to be a disaster? They were actually a pretty good combination until Henderson's injury took a toll on him.
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    £7m bid rejected for Ben Chilwell, Leicester want £10m. We're considering Hull's Robertson as an alternative.

    We've put in a £30m bid in for Mane.

    Allen likely to leave Liverpool for Swansea for £10m.
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    Won't be long until lfc fans call for Klopp's head at this rate if things don't work out.
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    (Original post by samir12)
    Well in the Southampton game at St Mary's, he simply was dominated by Wanyama in the second half. Barcalona may not have tall players but none of their players are pushovers either, they have enough strength to retain the ball (tbh their league isn't as physical as ours so not a fair comparision imo), not sure if Allen can retain the ball up comfortably against physical opposition. There is also the issue of long balls which Allen will have to face against taller players, chances are he will lose those aerial duels and we lose control of the midfield and concede goals (something that has been the recurring theme for the past season)
    You're right about long balls. Which is why we need to play a 433 if allen isn't sold. A rock solid CDM with Can and Allen is sufficient than buying Zielinski.

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    Well there's must be a reason why Rodgers and Klopp both favoured Henderson over Allen. Henderson's numbers stack up fine. Not sure Allen can dominate a midfield enough (whether physically or just by passing/movement).

    Barcelona can afford to have a team of midgets because they are so free scoring and previously held so much possession. When we're able to retain possession so well, we can keep Allen?

    Not sure how it proved to be a disaster? They were actually a pretty good combination until Henderson's injury took a toll on him.
    Its a disaster in terms of creativity, henderson and can are not mobile and they're vision is trash.

    I dont have to praise allens vision you already know he's very creative.


    All im saying with this allen issue is that if KLOPP sells him and buys Zielinski or dahoud (who are both downgrades) then KLOPP can go **** himself.

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    (Original post by mr tim)
    £7m bid rejected for Ben Chilwell, Leicester want £10m. We're considering Hull's Robertson as an alternative.

    We've put in a £30m bid in for Mane.

    Allen likely to leave Liverpool for Swansea for £10m.
    If klopp buys mane surely that means one of (firmino coutinho or lallana) is going ?

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    (Original post by nerdling_CompSci)
    Its a disaster in terms of creativity, henderson and can are not mobile and they're vision is trash.

    I dont have to praise allens vision you already know he's very creative.

    All im saying with this allen issue is that if KLOPP sells him and buys Zielinski or dahoud (who are both downgrades) then KLOPP can go **** himself.

    Reclying an AMG with a bicycle(s).

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    Euro 2016: Why Criticism Of Jordan Henderson Is Unreasonable

    http://www.theanfieldwrap.com/2016/0...-unreasonable/

    Good article which pretty much sums up where I stand on Henderson. You still haven't been able to explain why if Allen is so great, he hasn't been able to impose himself as 1st choice in his 4 year stint so far at Liverpool? Allen is just being overrated frankly. Yes he's a good player - probably enough to be a top 6 club player in any of the European leagues but how has he suddenly become Xavi in people's eyes? I don't think anyone would pick him as a player starting to a title challenging side.

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    If klopp buys mane surely that means one of (firmino coutinho or lallana) is going ?

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    No you need a squad for the number of games and have some different options. Gone are the days when you could use just 12-13 players and do well. Even Leicester used around 15-20 players regularly last season (10+ appearances).
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    (Original post by mr tim)
    £7m bid rejected for Ben Chilwell, Leicester want £10m. We're considering Hull's Robertson as an alternative.

    We've put in a £30m bid in for Mane.

    Allen likely to leave Liverpool for Swansea for £10m.
    Still don't get why we're going for a young LB when we could do with some defensive experience to balance out Moreno in the squad?

    Seems steep for Mane.. I haven't watched that much of him - is he that good?

    Not much we can do with Allen when he only has a year left on his contract and there can't be too many clubs willing to come in for him? Swansea, Celtic.. who else? Although still seems on the low side considering the other transfer prices being banded about.
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    Lallana has played very well for club and country but he can't score. Would rather have Mane who you know can score goals and provide the pace and width that Lallana isn't able to offer, happy for Lallana to be a squad player or start in the big games but he doesn't have that spark of quality and end product we need in the regular first XI. The only issue is Mane's consistency, but he was played centrally last season so maybe he is better out wide?
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    (Original post by nerdling_CompSci)
    You're right about long balls. Which is why we need to play a 433 if allen isn't sold. A rock solid CDM with Can and Allen is sufficient than buying Zielinski.

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    Why should we have to sacrifice an attacking player just to fit Allen in? We will be playing against compact defences so having an extra central midfielder leaves us lighter upfront. Think Allen is being overrated based on good performances for his country, he's not starting XI quality for a top 4 side and hasn't demonstrated that during his career with Liverpool at all. Don't get me wrong, I would love to keep him but he can't impose or dominate the midfield as well as we need.
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    I'm going to keep plugging The Anfield Wrap

    The podcast session called The Anfield Wrap last week about 30 minutes into it, talk about a really interesting point imo. The idea that we're losing specialists (the goal scoring number 9, the traditional winger, the physical CB etc) and over the past decade we've more and more towards just a whole lot of midfield type players who can play anywhere - strikers/attacking midfield players all becoming those who want to be behind the main striker, inverted wingers, fullbacks who can play CM, CMs move back into ball playing CBs etc.

    Will be interesting to see who comes up with a clever formation/set-up to counter that? The obvious one would be to make the pitch as big as possible (traditional 4-4-2?) but then you open yourself up to being dominated in the middle of the pitch and being countered easily due to not having numbers back.
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    I'm going to keep plugging The Anfield Wrap

    The podcast session called The Anfield Wrap last week about 30 minutes into it, talk about a really interesting point imo. The idea that we're losing specialists (the goal scoring number 9, the traditional winger, the physical CB etc) and over the past decade we've more and more towards just a whole lot of midfield type players who can play anywhere - strikers/attacking midfield players all becoming those who want to be behind the main striker, inverted wingers, fullbacks who can play CM, CMs move back into ball playing CBs etc.

    Will be interesting to see who comes up with a clever formation/set-up to counter that? The obvious one would be to make the pitch as big as possible (traditional 4-4-2?) but then you open yourself up to being dominated in the middle of the pitch and being countered easily due to not having numbers back.
    isn't that a wider issue in football in general? Wenger's spoke on it before, about how the quality of grass at top academies in Europe is so good, they are just focusing on mastering passing, and that's why the top strikers are coming out of South America and not Europe right now.
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    (Original post by swirly)
    isn't that a wider issue in football in general? Wenger's spoke on it before, about how the quality of grass at top academies in Europe is so good, they are just focusing on mastering passing, and that's why the top strikers are coming out of South America and not Europe right now.
    Yea they were talking about the trend Europe wide and how it's likely to continue since the academies will be focused on that for the foreseeable future which in turn means more of the best players will fall into that mould.
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    Not seen anything of Chilwell, but saw we were linked with Robertson from Hull today too. You feel left-back is definitely a position high on Klopp's agenda, if he's willing to drop down from his first choice target quite swiftly.
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    Not seen anything of Chilwell, but saw we were linked with Robertson from Hull today too. You feel left-back is definitely a position high on Klopp's agenda, if he's willing to drop down from his first choice target quite swiftly.
    This transfer window is likely to be the worst LFC window ever

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    (Original post by Mackay)
    Not seen anything of Chilwell, but saw we were linked with Robertson from Hull today too. You feel left-back is definitely a position high on Klopp's agenda, if he's willing to drop down from his first choice target quite swiftly.
    Can't be that high a priority if he's not willing to spend £10-12mil that Leicester are reportedly demanding. I think he just wants a 2nd choice LB so doesn't want to spend a lot of money on a LB?

    Ah seems we are refusing to go that high because Chilwell's contract runs out next summer so 10mil on a youngster who hasn't played in the premier league and only has a year left does seem way too excessive.
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    (Original post by Zerforax)
    Can't be that high a priority if he's not willing to spend £10-12mil that Leicester are reportedly demanding. I think he just wants a 2nd choice LB so doesn't want to spend a lot of money on a LB?

    Ah seems we are refusing to go that high because Chilwell's contract runs out next summer so 10mil on a youngster who hasn't played in the premier league and only has a year left does seem way too excessive.
    It's clearly a high priority if he's getting it boxed off this early.

    It's farcical Leicester want a figure like that, though. The Robertson rumour could be an agent's way, or the club's, of getting Chilwell to push for a move/Leicester to drop their price.
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    (Original post by Mackay)
    It's clearly a high priority if he's getting it boxed off this early.

    It's farcical Leicester want a figure like that, though. The Robertson rumour could be an agent's way, or the club's, of getting Chilwell to push for a move/Leicester to drop their price.
    I'm sure we're trying to tie up any and all deals we can but with the Euros and Copa America, it must be proving difficult. Other than Borussia Dortmund (who have signed 4 or 5 players) and Bayern Munich (who have signed 2 high profile), I don't think many clubs have been able to advance signings as quickly as they would like.

    No doubt with Chilwell not being away, they just wanted to box it off?

    In terms of priority, I meant that we're not looking for an experienced replacement at LB for Moreno and instead looking at youngsters (as opposed to the position itself).
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    I read an article the other day how Klopp wants a young LB because he wants to develop and mould the player himself. We have seen how Klopp can take unproven talent and turn them into a worldie so I have complete and utter trust in him. He might feel that Moreno is ok to start for the short term whilst the new LB learns under Klopp and acclimatises to league and his training methods. Earlier in the season he did say he wants patience from the fans wrt to buying young players as they will inevitably make mistakes.

    Either way we have to look at the bigger picture here, I'd rather Klopp slowly improves the team and players over 2/3 seasons and then have strong foundations and a squad able to challenge on all fronts for the long term. Much better than the yo yoing we have seen in the past few seasons.

    How does everyone feel about Mane for £30 million? I haven't really seen him play much, all I know is he has a good bit of pace on him which is something we need and he can score (scored 15 goals in all comps last season).
 
 
 
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