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TSR MHoC General Election March 2013 Watch

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    TSR Conservative and Unionist Party
    110
    18.09%
    TSR Green Party
    77
    12.66%
    TSR Labour Party
    131
    21.55%
    TSR Liberal Party
    53
    8.72%
    TSR Libertarian Party
    46
    7.57%
    TSR Socialist Party
    69
    11.35%
    tehFrance
    36
    5.92%
    TSR UKIP
    69
    11.35%
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    17
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    (Original post by Tuerin)
    Could you be more specific in your criticism? At the moment this is coming across as predictable and empty party bashing
    From the top: Forcing energy companies to subsidise their bills, helping with rising fuel costs.

    That's not subsidy, that's price capping, and it doesn't work. The companies can't absorb the increased costs of raw materials, and you're not adding any money to the system, so you'll either put them out of business or face rolling blackouts as they are forced to cut off supplies.

    Next: Creating a 'childcare premium fund', assisting families with the cost of full-time childcare.

    How does this differ from child tax credits? How is this funded? How will you ensure it is delivered to those who need it?

    Clamping down on exploitation by legal loan sharks

    You can't clamp down on something that is legal. You need to ban excessive interest rates on payday loans.

    Tackling loopholes exploited by big business

    This is a nice general statement, but generally loopholes are harder to close than you'd think (which is why they exist in the first place)

    Forcing state-owned banks to lend to small and start-up businesses

    We nationalised those banks because they were crushed by the weight of the bad debts they accrued by risky lending. You now propose we force them to take on risky loans.

    Restricting individuals from creating media monopolies.

    Like the monopolies commission does already? Another good policy would be to restrict individuals from murdering one another.

    Civil liberties section- good, but lifted from the previous Libertarian party manifesto, excepting the stop and search bit, which was already repealed by a bill from the Libertarian party

    Reducing our carbon emissions by 60% by 2030.

    Great. Other fun policies on the same lines: eliminate the national debt by 2020, end unemployment by 2019 and cure all disease by next tuesday. Irreleveant without a method of doing so.

    Investing in public transport and railways, improving punctuality and capacity.

    Not a huge problem here, as long as you assume that the infrastructure and not the organisation is the problem. I'd say that the real issue is that our train services are local monopolies with no real competition and thus no incentive to improve service or punctuality.

    Investing in science and engineering education, as well as apprenticeships and training.
    Fine if you've got the cash.

    Expanding our national recycling system.
    To what? From what?

    That's your entire manifesto. Detailed enough?
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    Just realised that I haven't voted yet!
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    Sneaky. I saw it go to 607.
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    Ladies ladies. We're about to have a new government, again may the best party win and hopefully we'll find out pretty soon. Seeing as I'm hopping of for the evening to Play Fallout: New Vegas and listen to Nick Abbott.
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    For the disillusioned parties

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    Not long to go now!
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    (Original post by chrisawhitmore)
    From the top: Forcing energy companies to subsidise their bills, helping with rising fuel costs.

    That's not subsidy, that's price capping, and it doesn't work. The companies can't absorb the increased costs of raw materials, and you're not adding any money to the system, so you'll either put them out of business or face rolling blackouts as they are forced to cut off supplies.
    Suggesting that forcing companies to pay fuel subsidies is going to 'put them out of business or face rolling blackouts' is completely out of proportion and irresponsibly so. Fuel subsidies have been used in the past and have been effective. They certainly haven't resulted in the consequences you are implying.

    Next: Creating a 'childcare premium fund', assisting families with the cost of full-time childcare.

    How does this differ from child tax credits? How is this funded? How will you ensure it is delivered to those who need it?
    It will be funded from tax. Every party has to compromise on the level of detail it can include on policy implementation and with the limited space the MHoC allows, vaguery is a necessary evil. Take two policy pledges from your own party's manifesto, and tell me otherwise:

    We will introduce a Bill of Rights, safeguarding the freedom of speech, right to self defence you, as a British resident, have

    We will stimulate the building of affordable housing in brownfield areas - helping you get on the property ladder
    Clamping down on exploitation by legal loan sharks

    You can't clamp down on something that is legal. You need to ban excessive interest rates on payday loans.
    You can clamp down on something that is clearly morally questionable.

    Tackling loopholes exploited by big business

    This is a nice general statement, but generally loopholes are harder to close than you'd think (which is why they exist in the first place)
    They exist in the first place because they're harder to close than we think? No. They exist in the first place because businesses want to retain as much wealth as possible. The primary reason they continue to exist is not because we cannot summon the legal clout to patch them but because we are fearful of the consequences unilateral tackling of these loopholes will have on our economy.

    Forcing state-owned banks to lend to small and start-up businesses

    We nationalised those banks because they were crushed by the weight of the bad debts they accrued by risky lending. You now propose we force them to take on risky loans.


    By forcing banks to lend to small businesses we will encourage growth in the economy from the bottom up.

    Restricting individuals from creating media monopolies.

    Like the monopolies commission does already? Another good policy would be to restrict individuals from murdering one another.
    The two aren't mutually exclusive.

    Civil liberties section- good, but lifted from the previous Libertarian party manifesto, excepting the stop and search bit, which was already repealed by a bill from the Libertarian party
    I doubt this. Even if it is true, these are, as you keep complaining about, general policy objectives which no one party can justifiably claim ownership of. If you truly believed in advancing these ideas you would welcome other parties' embracing them.

    Reducing our carbon emissions by 60% by 2030.

    Great. Other fun policies on the same lines: eliminate the national debt by 2020, end unemployment by 2019 and cure all disease by next tuesday. Irreleveant without a method of doing so.
    When we only have very limited space to declare policy objectives it is sometimes necessary to group a basket of policy obectives into a broader, more general line. This is something every party, including your own, has done.

    Investing in public transport and railways, improving punctuality and capacity.

    Not a huge problem here, as long as you assume that the infrastructure and not the organisation is the problem. I'd say that the real issue is that our train services are local monopolies with no real competition and thus no incentive to improve service or punctuality.
    Presumably, then, you do think more work can be done on tackling monopolies in business, contary to your ridiculing of our committment to do so above.

    Investing in science and engineering education, as well as apprenticeships and training.
    Fine if you've got the cash.
    Our committment to living within our means should ensure this.

    Expanding our national recycling system.
    To what? From what?
    To recycle more, unsurprisingly, improving Britain's waste efficiency and reducing the human impact on the natural environment.

    That's your entire manifesto. Detailed enough?
    You are being obsessive about the level of detail you want in an election manifesto. Every TSR party can be criticised for not providing full details of individual policy implementation; it simply isn't practical or necessary. What's important is giving the voters the broad flavour of our political stance, and we achieved that in this manifesto.
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    Ahhh ****. Bloody liberals
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    Wow, nice one by the Greens. Dominated that.
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    Congratulations to Labour in particular. It appears making up triple dip recessions is a good vote earner.
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    Wow, very close overall, congrats to all parties.
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    The Libertarians must be pretty peeved right now! :p:
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    Well done Liberals . We did pretty damn well in this election. Hopefully the new Labour government will do well this term.
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    And there we have it! The polls are closed and the results are in.

    A seven day coalition building period will now begin.

    In a short amount of time, I will open a proper post election discussion thread where we can do some analysis, and I'll also finalise the seat distributions. For now, feel free to have your discussions in here.

    Congratulations to those who made gains and commiserations to those who made losses. It was an election which dragged on, but it was well fought by all sides.
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    Hear me roar!

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    Back to normality, good swing to the Tories (must admit i thought there might be an RL based swing towards Ukip).

    I make that 12 and 10 for ourselves and Labour (could be wrong)?
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    Well done to all parties!
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    Great result for TSR UKIP! A 1% increase in the vote share from last time and our greatest ever amount of votes.
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    Can't be bothered to work out seats but that's a good vote share and a close election between Lab and Tory as well.
 
 
 
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