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    (Original post by jamestg)
    And perhaps the most obvious reason, affordability.

    Pubs used to be almost a community hub where you go down a couple of times a week. People don't have the time nor the money to do that anymore.
    #ToryAusterity

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    (Original post by DMcGovern)
    That sounds like the state playing games with things it owns, like a makeshift toy set
    I support it as well but the way you described it just made me think of it like that
    This way we gain the benefits of the free market without the brutality of it.
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    (Original post by cranbrook_aspie)
    Immigration is a ridiculously small part of the reason pubs are closing. And Leicestershire isn't a Muslim area....
    Whilst your correct that Leicestershire isnt a muslim majority, there is over 65000 of them in Leicester in terms of percentage-the highest in the UK. Lets say your family owned a pub up Leicester for many generations, housing estates and mkre if your population for your target audience will be lower because it can be guaranteed for religious reasons muslims dont use pubs thats part of your target audience in the local area obsolete and if your pub over 10-15 years becomes located in an area (usually sub urban) where muslims are a majority your pub will go. Small heath has lost 6 pubs since the 1970s despite having a football stadium withjn walking distance the Islamic community dont use pubs ,they dont even go in for a cola or orange juice. When I have been on the piss with my mates they dont even want to come out and drink an orange juice while we are getting smashed.
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    (Original post by ChildOfTony)
    Whilst your correct that Leicestershire isnt a muslim majority, there is over 65000 of them in Leicester in terms of percentage-the highest in the UK. Lets say your family owned a pub up Leicester for many generations, housing estates and mkre if your population for your target audience will be lower because it can be guaranteed for religious reasons muslims dont use pubs thats part of your target audience in the local area obsolete and if your pub over 10-15 years becomes located in an area (usually sub urban) where muslims are a majority your pub will go. Small heath has lost 6 pubs since the 1970s despite having a football stadium withjn walking distance the Islamic community dont use pubs ,they dont even go in for a cola or orange juice. When I have been on the piss with my mates they dont even want to come out and drink an orange juice while we are getting smashed.
    sounds like you're going to **** pubs which ought to have closed ages before they actually did
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    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    Leicestershire isn't an islamic area; single biggest group is christians, then atheists, with muslims and hindus roughly level; and the closure of pubs in Leicestershire is far more concentrated to the rural villages due to declining footfall from the increase in proportion of second home owners and commuters.
    Explain o me why small heath as lost 6 pubs since the 1970s desoite having a football club on the doorstep? The bils and tax rates pubs have may not be great but small heath is majority muslim area thats why the pubs fail.
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    sounds like you're going to **** pubs which ought to have closed ages before they actually did
    What you on about country pubs where there is a overwhelming majority of whute Christian s are thriving. Yes we can support them with bills but if there is not enough custom they will inevitability close anyhow. Remove the tax duty of beer o support pubs more they csn then reduce prices leading to more sales and more profit this can not happen in tipton where I live-the pubs are dead chronic youth unemployment and an infkux of immigration particularly muslims and the polish who dont seem to use oubs either
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    (Original post by ChildOfTony)
    What you on about country pubs where there is a overwhelming majority of whute Christian s are thriving. Yes we can support them with bills but if there is not enough custom they will inevitability close anyhow. Remove the tax duty of beer o support pubs more they csn then reduce prices leading to more sales and more profit this can not happen in tipton where I live-the pubs are dead chronic youth unemployment and an infkux of immigration particularly muslims and the polish who dont seem to use oubs either
    The country pubs (read: the ones which are closing to a much greater extent) are not the ones affected by immigration. Far fewer city pubs have closed. The evidence does not point to it being immigration.

    A lot of city pubs have closed due to there no longer being demand for old man pubs which sell John Smiths and Tetleys. More didn't open due to it being hard to obtain capital during the economic downturn. Now, many more are open, and they're appropriate to the modern times (good beer being sold mostly).
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    (Original post by ChildOfTony)
    Whilst your correct that Leicestershire isnt a muslim majority, there is over 65000 of them in Leicester in terms of percentage-the highest in the UK. Lets say your family owned a pub up Leicester for many generations, housing estates and mkre if your population for your target audience will be lower because it can be guaranteed for religious reasons muslims dont use pubs thats part of your target audience in the local area obsolete and if your pub over 10-15 years becomes located in an area (usually sub urban) where muslims are a majority your pub will go. Small heath has lost 6 pubs since the 1970s despite having a football stadium withjn walking distance the Islamic community dont use pubs ,they dont even go in for a cola or orange juice. When I have been on the piss with my mates they dont even want to come out and drink an orange juice while we are getting smashed.
    There are very, very few areas in which Muslims are actually a majority. It's more to do with the fact that because of changing lifestyles, a lot of the people who can drink alcohol no longer have the time or inclination to go drinking in a pub in the way that they would have done 50 years ago.

    And you do realise that it's not just Muslims that don't drink alcohol.
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    (Original post by DMcGovern)
    #ToryAusterity

    Increasing competition from supermarkets and online retailers.

    Or the rising cost of beer. The cost of a pint was £2.80 in 2010, now it is £3.46.

    Government policy has had nothing to do with it although admittedly the national living wage won't help, but that's not austerity
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    (Original post by ChildOfTony)
    What you on about country pubs where there is a overwhelming majority of whute Christian s are thriving. Yes we can support them with bills but if there is not enough custom they will inevitability close anyhow. Remove the tax duty of beer o support pubs more they csn then reduce prices leading to more sales and more profit this can not happen in tipton where I live-the pubs are dead chronic youth unemployment and an infkux of immigration particularly muslims and the polish who dont seem to use oubs either
    Right, if the country pubs are thriving where there are none of those nasty Muslims then how come two thirds of my local pubs have closed with, to my knowledge, no Muslims in the area, and if there are any they are in very small numbers?
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    (Original post by jamestg)
    Increasing competition from supermarkets and online retailers.

    Or the rising cost of beer. The cost of a pint was £2.80 in 2010, now it is £3.46.

    Government policy has had nothing to do with it although admittedly the national living wage won't help, but that's not austerity
    Bloody supermarkets. They're doing a similar thing to farmers, summat needs to be done about them.

    "National living wage" my arse. You can't call it a living wage when all you've done is raise it 50 bloody pence!
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    (Original post by DMcGovern)
    Bloody supermarkets. They're doing a similar thing to farmers, summat needs to be done about them.

    "National living wage" my arse. You can't call it a living wage when all you've done is raise it 50 bloody pence!
    Agreed. Perhaps a law similar to that of the Nazi regime should be passed? The 'protection of retail trade bill'. If I'm communities and local govt minister/shadow minister, I'll draft that up!

    I think it's fine for the time being, but it should be applicable to those from the age of 18 not 21...
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    (Original post by jamestg)
    Increasing competition from supermarkets and online retailers.Or the rising cost of beer. The cost of a pint was £2.80 in 2010, now it is £3.46.
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    And you do realise that it's not just Muslims that don't drink alcohol.
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    The evidence does not point to it being immigration..
    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Right, if the country pubs are thriving where there are none of those nasty Muslims then how come two thirds of my local pubs have closed with, to my knowledge, no Muslims in the area, and if there are any they are in very small numbers?
    # Don't blame it on the tax rates #
    # Don't blame it on the Tescos #
    # Blame it on the Muslims #
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    (Original post by jamestg)
    Agreed. Perhaps a law similar to that of the Nazi regime should be passed? The 'protection of retail trade bill'. If I'm communities and local govt minister/shadow minister, I'll draft that up!

    I think it's fine for the time being, but it should be applicable to those from the age of 18 not 21...
    Could always just nationalise Tesco.
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    (Original post by jamestg)
    Agreed. Perhaps a law similar to that of the Nazi regime should be passed? The 'protection of retail trade bill'. If I'm communities and local govt minister/shadow minister, I'll draft that up!

    I think it's fine for the time being, but it should be applicable to those from the age of 18 not 21...
    Doesn't really effect that much, and I'm 18, I earn more than the 25 rate anyway.
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    (Original post by DMcGovern)
    # Don't blame it on the tax rates #
    # Don't blame it on the Tescos #
    # Don't blame it on the beer price #
    # Blame it on the Muslims #
    It didn't feel right without the extra line.
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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    Doesn't really effect that much, and I'm 18, I earn more than the 25 rate anyway.
    For a lot of people it's ridiculous. Why should a person get paid more just for being a few years older and yet they're doing the same work?

    Below 18, the NLW shouldn't be applicable because most people under 18 don't have to look after themselves.
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    (Original post by DMcGovern)
    Could always just nationalise Tesco.
    God no, the food would get even more ****
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    (Original post by jamestg)
    For a lot of people it's ridiculous. Why should a person get paid more just for being a few years older and yet they're doing the same work?

    Below 18, the NLW shouldn't be applicable because most people under 18 don't have to look after themselves.
    It's an incentive to get employers to take on younger people, it doesn't work, but at least there's reasoning behind it.
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    (Original post by jamestg)
    For a lot of people it's ridiculous. Why should a person get paid more just for being a few years older and yet they're doing the same work?

    Below 18, the NLW shouldn't be applicable because most people under 18 don't have to look after themselves.
    The argument is that it encoreges employers to hire them and gets younge people a foot in the door.
 
 
 
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