The Arsenal Thread XIX

No, you're not.

People always keep saying this. So, lets but look at the WC for example. People talk more about the dutch total football team and Zico's Brazil of the 80s than any of the German team that won the WC and everyone wants to forget about the 94 Brazil team.

Now, this is just embellishing your original point and did nothing to adhere to what I said- which was that winners aren't the only ones remembered. Where you tried to address it, you went ahead and just put words in my mouth or went ahead and put cliff notes to dismiss why the dutch teams and Brazilian teams were remembered (both are remember for been the best football team ever rather than for not winning- anyone form the era say this). Tbh, loads of people remember those teams- it was one of the reason Hiddink was hired by Chelsea for example.

Again, I'm merely stating that the it isn't factually correct to state that history ONLY remembers winners and gave examples to prove this is strictly true. There are loads of reasons why history remember certain teams- been a winner is one of them but not the sole reasons. If it was the case, very few teams in actual terms would be remembered as its generally the same clubs/ teams that keep winning.

Taking this thread into politics will only hide from the truth of the day - that Zurich is a blind as a bat and his defense mechanism in any discussion is to flip things back on whichever club the other person supports. If it's Liverpool its 'oh but Liverpool are ****e' and if it's Chelsea it's 'oh but you're plastic'. The guy has no response to any rationality, as butty said earlier. edit: would like to point out that it's not just Zurich who this could apply to

Even if butty is not an Arsenal fan, his posts on this thread are subject to the same rights that everyone else's are, so give it a ****ing rest about which club he supports.

We sacked a manager mid season, we didn't have time to get a long term manager so got Hiddink as interim, he'd have stayed on potentially.

History remembers winners more than the losers. Are people going to remember Arsenal's defence up to the CL final, no they're going to remember Barca winning the competition. Are people going to remember Leverkusen missing out on the treble in 2002, no they're going to remember Zidanes volley. Same with Arsenal's last decade. They'll remember the early years of Wengers reign.

When people talk of Brian Clough, they don't remember his relegation with Forest, they remember his 2 european cups and winning the league as a newly promoted team.

This is done in every thread though

Can tell you didn't read the post.

That Leverkusen is remembered very fondly.

Come to our thread and see if anyone tries to pull this ****? It's general football fan behaviour but that doesn't mean it's desirable.

And why delete your other post? What's the point in deleting it after having spent years writing out those two paragraphs haha

The losers are remembered, but nowhere near as much as the winners, doesn't matter who played the better football or who had the better decorations in their stadium.

Tell me, how many people talk about Cloughs relegation with Forest compared to winning two ECs in a row?

That Leverkusen is remembered very fondly.

It's been done and yeah I agree.

Didn't delete anything.

Seeing as I know sweet fa about German football I can't really comment, but does anyone remember Avram Grant's Chelsea, who came so close in 3/4 competitions too?

We're only remembered because our captain slipped on the last pen and our striker got sent off ffs.

It's like what you said about specific incidents.

Otherwise nobody gives a damn about Avrams Chelsea.

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Paradox.

Did you know a thing about Aurier outside of Football manager until this season?

Coleman has been good for the past two seasons tbh and his assist and goal stats are exactly what Arsenal need. I don't think Everton will sell for cheap though.

You quoted me but it seems to have been deleted?

I know that fact that he captains his team at 21. I dont need to know about him when he was 19/20. We dont need goals coming from RB imo. If we buy a striker such as Balo and a class winger we will be fine.
Fully fit Ramsey = 20 goals, Giroud = 20 goals, Walcott = 20 goals and another striker = 20+? Goals from RB is a bonus