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    (Original post by rmhumphries)
    So, the result of my CMHT assessment was basically was I shouldn't have been referred in the first place, as I am not severe enough.

    I feel like such a fraud, can't stop crying now :cry:
    :hugs: I can't believe that the said no - like others have said, it sounds like you have really been struggling recently, and for them to say that, it's ridiculous. But regardless of what they say - you are not a fraud at all. You wouldn't make anything up, why would anyone want to fake mental illness? You aren't a fraud cus you haven't made anything up. I know it's hard to take in atm, but it doesn't mean you are fake at all.
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    Has this thread messed up for anyone else? I can't see the last 3 posts when I'm logged in but if I log out it works. :confused:
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    (Original post by Sabertooth)
    Has this thread messed up for anyone else? I can't see the last 3 posts when I'm logged in but if I log out it works. :confused:
    I just checked and I can see all the latest posts when I'm signed in and signed out. :dontknow:
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    (Original post by Sabertooth)
    Your "money wisely spent" is socialism. Capitalism is I call my doctor up and see them whenever I want for whatever I want in exchange for money.
    Sorry but I don't agree with this thinking. My view is that because the ruling elite typically have a monopoly on the power and wealth in both capitalist and socialist states they will continue to exploit the working classes, the weak and the vulnerable in society in order to maintain the status quo. It's not in their interests to let anything change as they don't want to lose their grip on their power and wealth. Capitalists and socialists have much in common in my opinion (more than they want to admit). I personally consider them to be very similar in that neither seek to redistribute wealth or strive for equality amongst their populations. Only a pure and uncorrupted Marxist ideology can do that :yes:
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    Started smoking again. So ashamed

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    :hugs: I'm smoking everyday at the moment, so can kind of empathise. The guilt is horrible. But it's always possible to quit, and in the grand scheme of things there are worse things you could do to cope. :hugs:

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    Had my first day doing psychology today (in my final year) and had a flashback in the department. But this great guy let me into his office and left me (with a friend) to flashback and cry it out and recover before he came back. And he said I could go in there whenever and he'd go away and not ask questions. I feel really drained and **** about the flashback but also really quite touched that a complete stranger was so great about it - considering that I'd never met him before, it was a really random-acts-of-kindness moment.
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    (Original post by los lobos marinos)
    Sorry but I don't agree with this thinking. My view is that because the ruling elite typically have a monopoly on the power and wealth in both capitalist and socialist states they will continue to exploit the working classes, the weak and the vulnerable in society in order to maintain the status quo. It's not in their interests to let anything change as they don't want to lose their grip on their power and wealth. Capitalists and socialists have much in common in my opinion (more than they want to admit). I personally consider them to be very similar in that neither seek to redistribute wealth or strive for equality amongst their populations. Only a pure and uncorrupted Marxist ideology can do that :yes:
    Man, you're being ridiculous if you think that the NHS is in anyway capitalism. The rest of your post, well that's your opinion, personally I ****ing love capitalism. (proper capitalism that is)
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    (Original post by Watch Key Phone)
    I just checked and I can see all the latest posts when I'm signed in and signed out. :dontknow:
    Thanks for the feedback. It works on my netbook but on my desktop I can't see anything after post #8520. Even though it says people have posted. :confused:
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    (Original post by Sabertooth)
    Man, you're being ridiculous if you think that the NHS is in anyway capitalism. The rest of your post, well that's your opinion, personally I ****ing love capitalism. (proper capitalism that is)
    I do admit that I lean slightly to the left And I celebrate and rejoice in my diversity each and every day (he types, whilst also trying to convince himself). Sometime he also reflects on the fact his 'madness' might also be something to value and cherish as it gives him so much potential in the personal development department. The thought makes him smile and then gently chuckle. (It really did and does!) :lol: :giggle:

    Back to the discussion:
    The NHS have been introducing more and more business models more typically associated with the corporate sector over the last 20-30 years. Every expense has to have some side of cost impact analysis. If there is not enough demand then it won't be provided. If there is no way to prove effectiveness of a treatment within the political electoral cycle then it won't be funded. That is why some people, who have quite profound psychological needs are unable to get the services they require from the NHS.

    Change of subject:
    How are you today? Did you go see the psychiatrist with your mrs?
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    (Original post by los lobos marinos)
    I do admit that I lean slightly to the left And I celebrate and rejoice in my diversity each and every day (he types, whilst also trying to convince himself). Sometime he also reflects on the fact his 'madness' might also be something to value and cherish as it gives him so much potential in the personal development department. The thought makes him smile and then gently chuckle. (It really did!)

    Back to the discussion:
    The NHS have been introducing more and more business models more typically associated with the corporate sector over the last 20-30 years. Every expense has to have some side of cost impact analysis. If there is not enough demand then it won't be provided. If there is no way to prove effectiveness of a treatment within the political electoral cycle then it won't be funded. That is why some people, who have quite profound psychological needs are unable to get the services they require from the NHS.

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    How are you today? Did you go see the psychiatrist with your mrs?
    I'm not so sure I agree with your conclusions in your first paragraph, although I do think that's a pretty positive way of viewing things.

    Well, that's the problem. The NHS isn't based on individuals. Here if I want an MRI scan I just phone up and book one. If I want surgery for a very rare cancer I pay for it and I can have it no matter how uncost-effective or how small the demand. The NHS cannot compete with that because no matter how hard it tries the money isn't there and the money that is there must be spent on providing to a number of people rather than what's best for an individual. That's why there's those stories about people in the UK saving up and coming to the US for treatment for their very rare conditions. I know the NHS has been introducing elements of the private sector into it but it's still absolutely nothing like the system here. In my opinion the whole thing should be massively scaled back and only provided for the very poorest.

    To use myself as an example, when I lived in England if I wanted to see a psychiatrist first I had to get referred, wait ages, then assessed to make sure I was "bad" enough, then finally after a several month wait I could see one and even then appointments were hard to come by and psychological therapy totally non-existent. Compare that to here, I call up and ask to see a psychiatrist, I get an appointment, I pay, I see one. If that psychiatrist is a moron or busy I call a different one and see them. That's the beauty of capitalism, if I don't like someone for whatever reason I take my money elsewhere and in pretty much every single scenario someone will be willing to provide me the service I want and take my money. That's totally different to how the NHS works. And before you say it, I know the US system is far from perfect, there are a lot of problems with it but I still prefer it to the NHS.

    Anyway, we probably shouldn't be dereailing the thread in this way, especially as a lot of people here and going to gang up on me Just wait until Rory sees!


    Today, I'm stuck in my wife's office again while she's teaching a class because she doesn't trust me on my own at home. :rolleyes: Seeing the psychiatrist tomorrow and absolutely **** scared about it if I'm honest. How are you? Did you get to sleep in the end last night?
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    (Original post by bullettheory)
    :hugs: I can't believe that the said no - like others have said, it sounds like you have really been struggling recently, and for them to say that, it's ridiculous. But regardless of what they say - you are not a fraud at all. You wouldn't make anything up, why would anyone want to fake mental illness? You aren't a fraud cus you haven't made anything up. I know it's hard to take in atm, but it doesn't mean you are fake at all.
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    Why would they say that? It seems you've been really struggling and you deserve their help! You should complain.
    (Original post by ParadoxSocks)
    You are not a fraud. At all. I cannot believe that even happened to you and I'm sorry that they made you feel like that. It's a stupid system that doesn't help us when we actually need it.

    Surely "not severe enough" encourages us to escalate our behaviours until we're able to get help. We want help before we get too bad, not after. Ugh. I hope you manage to find an alternative.

    My baby sister was rejected for therapy when she was an absolute mess and her life was falling apart because she wasn't "severe enough" and I just can't understand a system that doesn't support those that reach out and desperately ask for help.

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    Now, you are not a fraud and that's why: Doctors or other mental health personal are there for us to diagnose us and treat us. Our task is only to go to them, if we worry. So you are not a fraud to get there,
    to get tested and then referred to the right treatment. You would not call you a fraud, if you'd go there for physical reasons and later it turns out the original diagnosis and treatment would not be the right one, or? They just said "not severe enough", not "simulating". That is a huge difference. In addition doctors are not allmighty and not all equally gifted/experienced, thus it is human. (Of course some things are just illogic.)



    Yeah, don't worry and then, if you proove you were right, then suddenly: severly ill. Great way to solve problems. Same with society ...
    (Original post by The_Lonely_Goatherd)
    What?! Like, seriously?!?! The ****ers. I thought you got DLA?! No way you can get that without being severe for MH problems.

    You're not a fraud at all. I seriously think that when the crying is over, you should put in a complaint about these ****wits :mad:
    (Original post by gemmanewman)
    Not severe enough? They shouldn't have said that to you Any form of depression in my eyes is severe and should be helped. But I guess that treatment wasn't for you.
    But please, don't cry.
    There's other forms of treatment and I'm always here for a chat if you feel you can talk to me.
    Treatment doesn't always work for me either, no matter how much it works for other people.
    Thanks for your support :hugs:

    long rant

    TLG: I am not on DLA currently, I applied back in October/November last year, and I have been waiting since around June for my appeal to be heard? Me and Wolf think I have a decent chance of being awarded lowest rate in both categories (based on what they have said I don't suffer from / what symptoms I don't have when I do), but it could be months before this is heard ><

    I think that the reasons why I was put on the lowest support rung with the CMHT (they have retained me, but only having a meeting with a nurse on a yearly basis) are mainly based around:
    - I keep myself quite controlled, even when not feeling good. I don't have issues making eye contact, and can often talk about things that are upsetting (such as stuff we can't talk about here) without my body language showing I am upset. I *did* raise this, but it was ignored, as part of the reason why I was assessed as I was was due to having good body language and communication. Even at the end of the appointment, where I was only just stopping myself crying (I managed to hold out until I got to my car), then the assessor didn't seem to pick up by himself that I was upset.
    - Building on the above, at the end of the appointment, when the assessor first said he didn't think I was severe enough to be referred to a psychiatrist or anyone else, he did ask if that was ok, or if I had any questions, but this assessment had upset me to the point where I just wanted to get out of there. I had this problem before sometimes with my old psychiatrist, but in the rare cases where I was able to continue communicating with the psych, I either had Wolfy there to both help me defend my point and comfort me (so I didn't feel like I was the only one who thinks there is anything wrong with me) or as I knew him better, I was slightly more prepared for him to say things like that.
    - There were points during the appointment where I should have said more on an issue, but the problem was that we moved onto something else, and I didn't really know how to take the issue backwards.

    This is not the first time my problems have been trivialised by medical professionals. Even if we ignore the hassle with DWP (which is also very stressful and can be upsetting), then I don't think that any of my medical professionals have thought I am as bad as I can I am. Ok, so this time I am not actively self-destructive, however I have problems communicating how I feel with people (which I did bring up), I have problems doing meaningful activities (which I brought up), and I have worries about my current medication if I get a job (which I brought up). Yet, my GP is not going to do anything about my medication, and I don't think there is any other (NHS at least) services. Even my problem with feeling sick at nights, which has been getting worse (which I brought up), I have very little which I can do, as any meds my GP thought of clash with my quetiapine. I was told to go and ask in the pharmacy, but OTC drugs are likely to be relatively expensive - and if my GP couldn't think of any drugs which don't clash with my current drugs, will a pharmacist be able to?


    Sorry to moan so much - how are you guys doing?

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    long rant

    TLG: I am not on DLA currently, I applied back in October/November last year, and I have been waiting since around June for my appeal to be heard? Me and Wolf think I have a decent chance of being awarded lowest rate in both categories (based on what they have said I don't suffer from / what symptoms I don't have when I do), but it could be months before this is heard ><

    I think that the reasons why I was put on the lowest support rung with the CMHT (they have retained me, but only having a meeting with a nurse on a yearly basis) are mainly based around:
    - I keep myself quite controlled, even when not feeling good. I don't have issues making eye contact, and can often talk about things that are upsetting (such as stuff we can't talk about here) without my body language showing I am upset. I *did* raise this, but it was ignored, as part of the reason why I was assessed as I was was due to having good body language and communication. Even at the end of the appointment, where I was only just stopping myself crying (I managed to hold out until I got to my car), then the assessor didn't seem to pick up by himself that I was upset.
    - Building on the above, at the end of the appointment, when the assessor first said he didn't think I was severe enough to be referred to a psychiatrist or anyone else, he did ask if that was ok, or if I had any questions, but this assessment had upset me to the point where I just wanted to get out of there. I had this problem before sometimes with my old psychiatrist, but in the rare cases where I was able to continue communicating with the psych, I either had Wolfy there to both help me defend my point and comfort me (so I didn't feel like I was the only one who thinks there is anything wrong with me) or as I knew him better, I was slightly more prepared for him to say things like that.
    - There were points during the appointment where I should have said more on an issue, but the problem was that we moved onto something else, and I didn't really know how to take the issue backwards.

    This is not the first time my problems have been trivialised by medical professionals. Even if we ignore the hassle with DWP (which is also very stressful and can be upsetting), then I don't think that any of my medical professionals have thought I am as bad as I can I am. Ok, so this time I am not actively self-destructive, however I have problems communicating how I feel with people (which I did bring up), I have problems doing meaningful activities (which I brought up), and I have worries about my current medication if I get a job (which I brought up). Yet, my GP is not going to do anything about my medication, and I don't think there is any other (NHS at least) services. Even my problem with feeling sick at nights, which has been getting worse (which I brought up), I have very little which I can do, as any meds my GP thought of clash with my quetiapine. I was told to go and ask in the pharmacy, but OTC drugs are likely to be relatively expensive - and if my GP couldn't think of any drugs which don't clash with my current drugs, will a pharmacist be able to?
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    Still Rob, the fact that you are in a position to appeal indicates a severe level of mental health, because you can't even get an appeal to be heard if you are not severely ill.

    I do empathise about the having too much control over yourself thing. I hate the way people with MH problems have to seemingly tick a list of things like "can't/won't/doesn't make eye contact, etc." in order to get taken seriously. It's really frustrating and not representative at all, since we're all on a spectrum! I am extremely high functioning despite having very severe MH problems when the psychosis hits, but that doesn't mean I'm not ill. ARGH.

    Sorry, rant over Big hugs from here and PM me anytime you wanna chat or let off steam. Though sounds like Wolfie is a very good support to you
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    Still Rob, the fact that you are in a position to appeal indicates a severe level of mental health, because you can't even get an appeal to be heard if you are not severely ill.

    I do empathise about the having too much control over yourself thing. I hate the way people with MH problems have to seemingly tick a list of things like "can't/won't/doesn't make eye contact, etc." in order to get taken seriously. It's really frustrating and not representative at all, since we're all on a spectrum! I am extremely high functioning despite having very severe MH problems when the psychosis hits, but that doesn't mean I'm not ill. ARGH.

    Sorry, rant over Big hugs from here and PM me anytime you wanna chat or let off steam. Though sounds like Wolfie is a very good support to you
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    True, as when appealing to the independent people you have to give your reasons for the appeal before they decide to take it on or not (unlike the earlier, informal appeal to the DWP). It is annoying that I moved areas, otherwise I would have had my appeal my now, but I think I got returned to the end of the queue, and despite telling them about a month ago, I only got the letter confirming I had moved areas a few days ago ><.

    Aye. The thing is as well, you get under diagnosed due to good body language and such, but this just makes you more protective, as it makes it harder to trust new medical professionals, in case they act the same way. Which makes you appear even better.

    Tis ok, I fully agree with your rant Thanks for the offer :hugs: Wolfie is great for/to me, it is a shame that a whole load of crap is happening while they are away - typical really.
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    Ah I could do with someone to talk to right now but where the hell do I start :cry2: I feel like I burden people too much with my **** - both from here and IRL :/


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    Ah I could do with someone to talk to right now but where the hell do I start :cry2: I feel like I burden people too much with my **** - both from here and IRL :/


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    I've spend all day locked in my room avoiding the rest of the world. I am not in a good mood.
    My flat mate? She's running along the hall giggling and knocking on my door.

    On the plus side, no lectures tomorrow and my parents are coming up. Even better they are going to pick my bf up when they're here so we can see each other.

    Until then though I have noting to do but sit in my room playing farmville and listening to my drunk flatmate dreading what will happen if I continue to miss lectures cos I feel too ill or depressed to drag my sorry ass out of bed.

    I have 3 problems with going to bed:
    1) not tired cos I spent so long in bed today
    2) we're having a fire drill some time soon really early in the morning and I don't want to have to wake up and leave my room to stand outside I a crowd of annoyed students
    3) I've started having nightmares related to a massive fear of mine and each time I have one it feels like it's dragging me a bit closer to the crazy depressive mess I was a year ago.
    I'm starting to think about it in the daytime again now and that can't be a good thing.
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    (Original post by -FireFlies-)
    Ah I could do with someone to talk to right now but where the hell do I start :cry2: I feel like I burden people too much with my **** - both from here and IRL :/
    It wouldn't be a burden to anyone. Just type how you feel, post whatever you like, express freely what is troubling you and the folks here will do whatever to offer support, advice and guidance. (As already proven by the PM offer two posts up!)
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    Feel so so **** tonight. Im a horrible person and so want to do bad things


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    I've spend all day locked in my room avoiding the rest of the world. I am not in a good mood.
    My flat mate? She's running along the hall giggling and knocking on my door.

    On the plus side, no lectures tomorrow and my parents are coming up. Even better they are going to pick my bf up when they're here so we can see each other.

    Until then though I have noting to do but sit in my room playing farmville and listening to my drunk flatmate dreading what will happen if I continue to miss lectures cos I feel too ill or depressed to drag my sorry ass out of bed.

    I have 3 problems with going to bed:
    1) not tired cos I spent so long in bed today
    2) we're having a fire drill some time soon really early in the morning and I don't want to have to wake up and leave my room to stand outside I a crowd of annoyed students
    3) I've started having nightmares related to a massive fear of mine and each time I have one it feels like it's dragging me a bit closer to the crazy depressive mess I was a year ago.
    I'm starting to think about it in the daytime again now and that can't be a good thing.
    Can you e-mail your lecturers, saying that due health problems, you haven't been able to attend a few lecturers, and can they provide more detailed notes for the lectures you missed?

    (Original post by PonchoKid)
    Feel so so **** tonight. Im a horrible person and so want to do bad things


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    (Original post by rmhumphries)
    Can you e-mail your lecturers, saying that due health problems, you haven't been able to attend a few lecturers, and can they provide more detailed notes for the lectures you missed?
    I am planning to but I can't bring myself to cos i'm too nervous about wording it badly or making a bad impression.
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    Can you e-mail your lecturers, saying that due health problems, you haven't been able to attend a few lecturers, and can they provide more detailed notes for the lectures you missed?



    You are not a horrible person :hugs:
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    i just spent about 5 mins scratching at rorys boxers so i didnt hurt him or myself. Currently sat thinking how much of a **** up i currently am :cry2:



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