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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    *sigh* this crap

    And do you honestly expect the Lib Dems, Greens, SNP etc to agree not to stand against each other? The Lib Dems and Plaid should be rubbing their hands right now with not only Corbyn as leader, but a power struggle.
    well considering that the greens and the SNP are pushing for it (well SNP were last GE) and the lib dems are in a bad place I shoudl expect they would.

    From a friend of mine:
    I've seen a lot of people on my news feed calling for a snap General Election in response to Theresa May having won the Conservative Party leadership contest, but this will not and should not happen.Five of the last ten Prime Ministers (Brown, Major, Callaghan, Douglas-Home, and Macmillan) were selected by their MPs to take office during parliament. There is no constitutional requirement for a general election, and precedent dictates that it will not happen. It is important to note that, unlike in a presidential system, the executive is not directly accountable to the public. The Office of Prime Minister is held ex officio by whoever is the leader of the largest party, and formally bestowed by the sovereign. We vote for MPs, for the most part, by picking the local candidate that stands under the banner of our preferred party. The Cabinet is comprised of politicians that undertake ministerial roles in addition to their responsibilities as Members of Parliament, and these roles are doled out on the basis of experience and party affiliation.In a proportionally representative system, this would be even more pronounced -- the largest party or parties take power (as we vote for them, not for individuals), and they then decide amongst themselves which members of their parties get which cabinet roles.So the calls for a General Election are both constitutionally incoherent and indicative of a lack of understanding of how Parliament works. Theresa May will take power as a Prime Minister that was not directly elected by the people. The same is true of every other Prime Minister in the country's history.If you want a directly accountable executive that is constitutionally separate from our legislature, agitate and campaign for one. Don't pluck arguments out of thin air to change the role of Parliament halfway through because you're not happy with how things are going.
    /rant
    I know all about how the system works. It's a similar system to that of the EU that just 2 weeks ago people voted against as it is 'undemocratic' to suggest that she then has the mandate to rule when the people just ejected a similar system as being undemocratic is farcical. Also just because something has happened in the past doesn't make it right.
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    well considering that the greens and the SNP are pushing for it (well SNP were last GE) and the lib dems are in a bad place I shoudl expect they would.

    I know all about how the system works. It's a similar system to that of the EU that just 2 weeks ago people voted against as it is 'undemocratic' to suggest that she then has the mandate to rule when the people just ejected a similar system as being undemocratic is farcical. Also just because something has happened in the past doesn't make it right.
    The SNP only pushed for it because they knew that would mean they could win for free instead of winning with a bit of cash spent. As for the Lib Dems, this is exactly what they want, they can currently appeal to the right of the party with Corbyn and the power struggle,

    And I know you like losing elections, but why exactly do we need an election because somebody in a position that is appointed by the sovereign has changed? I guess we also need a general election every time a party leader changes too, right?
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    The SNP only pushed for it because they knew that would mean they could win for free instead of winning with a bit of cash spent. As for the Lib Dems, this is exactly what they want, they can currently appeal to the right of the party with Corbyn and the power struggle,

    And I know you like losing elections, but why exactly do we need an election because somebody in a position that is appointed by the sovereign has changed? I guess we also need a general election every time a party leader changes too, right?
    As opposed to the lib dems getting all of the labour support in some areas and actually getting seats?

    Again, the EU referendum. One of the main reasons it was lost is because the EU is 'undemocratic' if the systems which are very similar to how the PM is appointed are undemocratic then the appointment of a new PM mid term must be too or else the EU is democratic which is an argument rejected by the people of the U.K.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    As opposed to the lib dems getting all of the labour support in some areas and actually getting seats?

    Again, the EU referendum. One of the main reasons it was lost is because the EU is 'undemocratic' if the systems which are very similar to how the PM is appointed are undemocratic then the appointment of a new PM mid term must be too or else the EU is democratic which is an argument rejected by the people of the U.K.
    Ummm, somebody hasn't paid attention to the reasons why people voted as they did, basically nobody had that as their primary reason, so I'm not quite sure how it's being rejected. I guess the Tories winning the election is proof that people reject the notion that there is life on Mars.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Ummm, somebody hasn't paid attention to the reasons why people voted as they did, basically nobody had that as their primary reason, so I'm not quite sure how it's being rejected. I guess the Tories winning the election is proof that people reject the notion that there is life on Mars.
    I understand most wanted to stop immigrants and others wanted the illusion of control but the idea of democracy was a big issue.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    I understand most wanted to stop immigrants and others wanted the illusion of control but the idea of democracy was a big issue.
    Well then, it seems you're about as uninformed as you usually are, not even a plurality said border control (which is a very different thing to stopping immigrants) was the main factor.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Well then, it seems you're about as uninformed as you usually are, not even a plurality said border control (which is a very different thing to stopping immigrants) was the main factor.
    Most doesn't mean the majority just the biggest group. Also I wasn't even talking about the main reason just how the reasons fetured in overall strength. Also if we are to talk about legitimacy brown was considered by many to be illegitimate because he himself was not directly elected in.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    Most doesn't mean the majority just the biggest group. Also I wasn't even talking about the main reason just how the reasons fetured in overall strength. Also if we are to talk about legitimacy brown was considered by many to be illegitimate because he himself was not directly elected in.
    Nope.


    Immigration wasn't even important to half of people.

    And do we need to come back round to half of the last 10 PMs went into No. 10 without a vote, those that demand a vote tend to be those who think (normally wrongly I should think) they could win it.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Nope.


    Immigration wasn't even important to half of people.

    And do we need to come back round to half of the last 10 PMs went into No. 10 without a vote, those that demand a vote tend to be those who think (normally wrongly I should think) they could win it.
    That's different to the polling I've seen but okay.

    Again presedence does not make something correct, and to defend an act By saying it has happened in the past is deaply illogical. The act has to be defended in its own right.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Nope.


    Immigration wasn't even important to half of people.

    And do we need to come back round to half of the last 10 PMs went into No. 10 without a vote, those that demand a vote tend to be those who think (normally wrongly I should think) they could win it.
    I disagree with the investment by international companies dot.
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    I disagree with the investment by international companies dot.
    I didn't realise you were at least 1000 people weighted to be broadly representative of the population at large.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    I didn't realise you were at least 1000 people weighted to be broadly representative of the population at large.
    Well I disagree with those people.
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    Well I disagree with those people.
    I.e. you're in the ~42% that don't care.
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    I wonder if Billy Bragg will be seen out campaigning for Jeremy Corbyn during the forthcoming leadership contest.

    I met Billy Bragg a few years ago and he is a pleasant and friendly man. 'Handyman Blues' from one of his recent albums is a lovely song.*
    Met him the day Corbyn became leader actually, went from the pub to watch Corbyn speak at the refugee demo and got into the press area due to friends and met Billy Bragg just after he came off the stage having sung the red flag with Corbyn.

    As for the leadership contest, I don't think he will be that vocal, but he supports Corbyn still.
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    Just to let people know I snow joined the socialist
    They're that desperate for members?
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    They're that desperate for members?
    We do have over 250 of them, you know
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    We do have over 250 of them, you know
    Clearly at least about 90% are inactive anyway and are simply left there to bolster the numbers, or were you talking about the national parties' combined membership?
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Clearly at least about 90% are inactive anyway and are simply left there to bolster the numbers, or were you talking about the national parties' combined membership?
    Well that too, but yeah most of them are there because there's never been a roll call or anything
 
 
 
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