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    Can't believe we're getting £6m for him, you couldn't pay me to sign Brad Smith. Hopefully Randall and Flanagan follow in the not too distant future. But best thing from this is that we're finally theoretically replacing Moreno. I'd be happy with one of Hector, Amavi, Wendell or Willems. First 3 are solid albeit don't know as much about Willems.
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    Shame, I liked Smith, remember his perfect cross into Origi against Southampton.
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    Meanwhile it looks like Allen is set to go to Stoke according to Mirror and Telegraph. Some add-ons to the £13m.
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    (Original post by A Mysterious Lord)
    Shame, I liked Smith, remember his perfect cross into Origi against Southampton.
    He's good getting forward but we have Moreno for that and although both are poor defensively, Moreno is definitely the better player overall.

    I think we need to sign somebody balanced like Clyne. With the added pace of Mané and Markovic on the wings, it might not be as necessary for our full backs to push as high as they usually do.

    Clyne, Sakho and Lovren were all performing at a solid level last year - if Karius, Matip and a new LB can perform at a respectable level, we should see a great improvement in our defensive solidity.

    The only big weakness we still need to look at is set pieces...
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    (Original post by Lúcio)
    He's good getting forward but we have Moreno for that and although both are poor defensively, Moreno is definitely the better player overall.

    I think we need to sign somebody balanced like Clyne. With the added pace of Mané and Markovic on the wings, it might not be as necessary for our full backs to push as high as they usually do.

    Clyne, Sakho and Lovren were all performing at a solid level last year - if Karius, Matip and a new LB can perform at a respectable level, we should see a great improvement in our defensive solidity.

    The only big weakness we still need to look at is set pieces...
    In a perfect world we sign Ricardo Rodriguez to kill 2 birds with 1 stone ie left back and set pieces. Won't happen though.
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    (Original post by Rk2k14)
    Can play with the ball, very quick, physically strong and is playing under Mourinho.

    Never heard of Martial before he signed. Turned out pretty good wouldn't you say?
    That what they said about Phil Jones when he signed (replace Mourinho for SAF).

    For £58mil, I'd expected Martial to be able to play a bit of football.

    (Original post by mr tim)
    Liverpool agree £6m fee from Bournemouth for Brad Smith according to Sky Sports.

    EDIT: Paul Joyce reports similar, but saying Bournemouth bid.

    EDIT2: Paul Joyce reports bid accepted and James Pearce now getting into the act.

    Looks like surely we need a LB like what we're going for. Chilwell apparently signing a contract extension at Leicester.
    Damn that is a strong fee for a guy who's only played a handful of games for us.
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    (Original post by Lúcio)
    He's good getting forward but we have Moreno for that and although both are poor defensively, Moreno is definitely the better player overall.

    I think we need to sign somebody balanced like Clyne. With the added pace of Mané and Markovic on the wings, it might not be as necessary for our full backs to push as high as they usually do.

    Clyne, Sakho and Lovren were all performing at a solid level last year - if Karius, Matip and a new LB can perform at a respectable level, we should see a great improvement in our defensive solidity.

    The only big weakness we still need to look at is set pieces...
    Smith isn't even that good at attacking. He was just good at running in a straight line.

    I'm expecting a RB and a LB and then we're sorted.. doesn't look like we're going to have much net spend either.
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    (Original post by Zerforax)
    Smith isn't even that good at attacking. He was just good at running in a straight line.

    I'm expecting a RB and a LB and then we're sorted.. doesn't look like we're going to have much net spend either.
    The only thing Smith has is pace and crossing. The buy back clause is a bit pointless on this occasion.

    Forgot which journalist but one of the reliable ones said Klopp is expecting one more signing now, which will surely be a left back?

    Also re: the net spend point, I think you'll get some people moaning about that but in reality it's fantastic business this summer from FSG and Ayre. We've got all of Klopp's targets (who's evidently happy with FSG given he signed a new contract and commended them in his latest interview) and got rid of deadwood and still kept a relatively low net spend. FSG haven't always got it right but this summer is an example of how to run a football club the right way.

    I would've liked another midfielder but I have a theory that Klopp might be being patient with Dahoud. It's obvious how much he likes him and I think it might be like when he decided not to bid any higher for Teixeira in January and wait for Gotze (which didn't happen). It's virtually impossible to buy Dahoud this summer as Gladbach will not replace him with anyone better, have Champions League football and Dahoud doesn't exactly want to leave.

    I'm still pretty optimistic for the new season now.
    Karius
    Clyne-Matip-Lovren-new LB*
    Wijnaldum-Can
    Mané-Firmino-Coutinho
    Sturridge
    *Amavi, Hector, Willems or Wendell

    In away matches and games against bigger teams I'd go 4-3-3 with Can, Grujic and Wijnaldum in midfield and Firmino, Coutinho and Sturridge up top.

    Having Wijnaldum, Mane, Firmino, Coutinho and Sturridge on the pitch at the same time absolutely guarantees a plethora of goals. None of our midfielders come close to Wijnaldum's goal record (if he plays there which Klopp said is a possibility) and it took Lallana 2 seasons to get the same number of total goals + assists as Mané got last season alone.
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    Done some more thinking and these are the 2 teams I'd be happy with: (Lovren is always debatable).
    Karius
    Clyne-Matip-Lovren-new LB
    Wijnaldum-Can
    Mané-Firmino-Coutinho
    Sturridge
    This would surely be our best lineup attacking wise being able to fit in all of our best attackers- sorry Lallana but he doesn't really compare. Firmino also finally gets to play in his natural position where he played for Hoffenheim, behind a striker who isn't Benteke. Mané's pace balances the attack and Wijnaldum's forward runs and goals from midfield will be vital. Only question mark is the midfield, but Wijnaldum has comfortably played there before and I don't see what benefit there is to Henderson starting over him.

    Firmino, Coutinho, Mane and Wijnaldum got 65 goals and assists between them last season and Mané and Wijnaldum didn't have very good strikers to help them either. That 65 figure does not include Sturridge/Origi/Ings.
    Karius
    Clyne-Matip-Lovren-new LB
    Can-Grujic
    Wijnaldum
    Firmino------Coutinho
    Sturridge
    I don't see this midfield trio being ran over. Can and Grujic know how to defend, Wijnaldum has the creativity and goals whilst Grujic can finish too. The physicality means this midfield is never going to get bullied. But arguably most importantly, all 3 have the ability to pick the ball up and drive forward with the ball. Mané coming on as a fresh substitute for Firmino would be great however it could be argued that Mané should start over Firmino in that formation.
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    (Original post by Samiz)
    Done some more thinking and these are the 2 teams I'd be happy with: (Lovren is always debatable).
    Karius
    Clyne-Matip-Lovren-new LB
    Wijnaldum-Can
    Mané-Firmino-Coutinho
    Sturridge
    This would surely be our best lineup attacking wise being able to fit in all of our best attackers- sorry Lallana but he doesn't really compare. Firmino also finally gets to play in his natural position where he played for Hoffenheim, behind a striker who isn't Benteke. Mané's pace balances the attack and Wijnaldum's forward runs and goals from midfield will be vital. Only question mark is the midfield, but Wijnaldum has comfortably played there before and I don't see what benefit there is to Henderson starting over him.

    Firmino, Coutinho, Mane and Wijnaldum got 65 goals and assists between them last season and Mané and Wijnaldum didn't have very good strikers to help them either. That 65 figure does not include Sturridge/Origi/Ings.
    Karius
    Clyne-Matip-Lovren-new LB
    Can-Grujic
    Wijnaldum
    Firmino------Coutinho
    Sturridge
    I don't see this midfield trio being ran over. Can and Grujic know how to defend, Wijnaldum has the creativity and goals whilst Grujic can finish too. The physicality means this midfield is never going to get bullied. But arguably most importantly, all 3 have the ability to pick the ball up and drive forward with the ball. Mané coming on as a fresh substitute for Firmino would be great however it could be argued that Mané should start over Firmino in that formation.
    Defensive wise for our best attacking line up 4-2-3-1, Can is a box to box, similar to wjnaldum, they are better going forward, and could leave only our defence defending. it would be better if instead of wjnaldum we had a kante or casemiro, but it can still work though. The 4-3-3 is solid, hopefully it gets goalals every game.

    Theres also the option of Origi and Sturridge upfront in a 2. Origi was excellent last season and cant be on the bench never appearing. He has to come on all the time if we are not winning and Ings will hardly get game time in league.
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    (Original post by Samiz)
    The only thing Smith has is pace and crossing. The buy back clause is a bit pointless on this occasion.

    Forgot which journalist but one of the reliable ones said Klopp is expecting one more signing now, which will surely be a left back?

    Also re: the net spend point, I think you'll get some people moaning about that but in reality it's fantastic business this summer from FSG and Ayre. We've got all of Klopp's targets (who's evidently happy with FSG given he signed a new contract and commended them in his latest interview) and got rid of deadwood and still kept a relatively low net spend. FSG haven't always got it right but this summer is an example of how to run a football club the right way.

    I would've liked another midfielder but I have a theory that Klopp might be being patient with Dahoud. It's obvious how much he likes him and I think it might be like when he decided not to bid any higher for Teixeira in January and wait for Gotze (which didn't happen). It's virtually impossible to buy Dahoud this summer as Gladbach will not replace him with anyone better, have Champions League football and Dahoud doesn't exactly want to leave.

    I'm still pretty optimistic for the new season now.
    Karius
    Clyne-Matip-Lovren-new LB*
    Wijnaldum-Can
    Mané-Firmino-Coutinho
    Sturridge
    *Amavi, Hector, Willems or Wendell

    In away matches and games against bigger teams I'd go 4-3-3 with Can, Grujic and Wijnaldum in midfield and Firmino, Coutinho and Sturridge up top.

    Having Wijnaldum, Mane, Firmino, Coutinho and Sturridge on the pitch at the same time absolutely guarantees a plethora of goals. None of our midfielders come close to Wijnaldum's goal record (if he plays there which Klopp said is a possibility) and it took Lallana 2 seasons to get the same number of total goals + assists as Mané got last season alone.
    I imagine that Klopp wants it as a policy. That we sell promising youngsters with a buy-back clause. If you start picking and choosing who has/who doesn't then buying clubs are more likely to argue. Whereas if every club knows we'll only sell a promising youngster with a buyback, it's easier to ensure it is in when we do want it. We can just be flexible on the buyback price (set really high if a player we don't care about).

    I'm still sort of expecting 2 fullbacks. If Flanagan goes on loan we're basically looking at Clyne, Moreno, Gomez if/when he is back or others like Klavan/Sakho/Milner playing out of position to cover.

    Tbh I'm not sure I care if we spend loads or not that much so long as the squad looks good. We don't have all the extra games this season so I'd rather Klopp had a core he was happy with (without squad players getting annoyed they're not getting enough games) and then on the back off a good season this year, spend big next summer when more targets are obtainable and we have more game etc. The squad looks in good shape at the moment.

    Personally I think Henderson will still be in the first XI from the start of the season but we'll see what Klopp is thinking.
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    (Original post by Fish40)
    Origi was excellent last season and cant be on the bench never appearing. He has to come on all the time if we are not winning and Ings will hardly get game time in league.


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    Don't worry, a few weeks in and Origi will be first choice with Ings coming on as sub
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    (Original post by Zerforax)
    I imagine that Klopp wants it as a policy. That we sell promising youngsters with a buy-back clause. If you start picking and choosing who has/who doesn't then buying clubs are more likely to argue. Whereas if every club knows we'll only sell a promising youngster with a buyback, it's easier to ensure it is in when we do want it. We can just be flexible on the buyback price (set really high if a player we don't care about).

    I'm still sort of expecting 2 fullbacks. If Flanagan goes on loan we're basically looking at Clyne, Moreno, Gomez if/when he is back or others like Klavan/Sakho/Milner playing out of position to cover.

    Tbh I'm not sure I care if we spend loads or not that much so long as the squad looks good. We don't have all the extra games this season so I'd rather Klopp had a core he was happy with (without squad players getting annoyed they're not getting enough games) and then on the back off a good season this year, spend big next summer when more targets are obtainable and we have more game etc. The squad looks in good shape at the moment.

    Personally I think Henderson will still be in the first XI from the start of the season but we'll see what Klopp is thinking.
    I agree about the buy back clause I was just saying it's extremely unlikely we'll ever be triggering Smith's.

    And I unfortunately agree about Henderson, but I'm optimistic that by the end of the season he'll have been replaced by Grujic and or Wijnaldum. Although to be honest I'm also optimistic that Grujic will have the number 8 shirt by 2020
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    (Original post by difeo)
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    Don't worry, a few weeks in and Origi will be first choice with Ings coming on as sub
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    Allen to have a medical at Stoke today ahead of the move. Smith trained at America yesterday, Lucas, Matip, Sakho, Gomez [all injured], Benteke and Wijnaldum didn't
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    (Original post by mr tim)
    Allen to have a medical at Stoke today ahead of the move. Smith trained at America yesterday, Lucas, Matip, Sakho, Gomez [all injured], Benteke and Wijnaldum didn't
    Toure signs for Celtic too. Surprised he didn't go to China..

    Balotelli training with the reserves (see his Instagram).
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    Allen to Stoke completed. £11m + £2m in add-ons.
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    It's over...
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    (Original post by mr tim)
    Allen to Stoke completed. £11m + £2m in add-ons.
    Hmm surprised, I thought it was £13mil + 2mil in add-ons.

    (Original post by Lúcio)
    It's over...
    Good riddance that the debate is over now.

    Least we're slowly getting through our business now. Just Benteke, Balotteli, Alberto and Ilori left to shift now?
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    (Original post by Zerforax)
    Hmm surprised, I thought it was £13mil + 2mil in add-ons.



    Good riddance that the debate is over now.

    Least we're slowly getting through our business now. Just Benteke, Balotteli, Alberto and Ilori left to shift now?
    Should've held out until at least 35m imo.

    Please show the man some respect - he was amazing for us in the last season or two.

    Benteke will be shifted for a good price without much trouble.
    Balotelli will be tough but he'll either go for a meagre fee or go out on loan.
    Alberto will go for a semi-decent fee to a Spanish club and Ilori will either go out on loan or we'll keep him and he'll barely get a game.

    I think we've done better selling than buying in this window, and that's more important that you'd think.
 
 
 
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