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What a shame then that their white paper was an SNP election manifesto. They want this primarily for themselves.
They want it for themselves? :confused:

They want it, end of!!!

For 80 years the SNP have campaigned for independence and people like Alex Salmond will be one of the key figures in Scottish history if YES prevails. But it isn't for personal glory - it is a life's ambition.

After independence, the SNP are redundant.
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If Scotland refuses to take any share of the debt then the whole negotiation will be a disaster? you understand that right? But obviously you're nationalist who doesn't care about stuff like that it MUST go your way. As they say you're with us or against us.
I'm not a nationalist thanks, never voted SNP in my life either.
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It isn't a negotiation though, it's a cross-party stance. There is a growing realisation in RUK that Scottish independence has repercussions for, well, RUK and Westminster politicians have recognised that. The SNP's reply of 'we'll take on no debt then' eliminated whatever moral high ground they had on this issue.
Moral high ground? This is about winning.

You believe what you wish.

I and many other Scots see this for what it is.
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The message was really, the UK won't enter into a currency union; use sterling without one if you wish. Surely the people of Scotland can't be as unintelligent, on the whole, as to misinterpret it as you describe?
See some of the comments on here from the YeSNP brigade. The major partner of any currency union have no. The electorate of any major partner of any currency union have said no and big business is already setting up contingency plans to relocate. Yet somehow they ignore these facts.
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Moral high ground? This is about winning.

You believe what you wish.

I and many other Scots see this for what it is.
Even if it involves telling blatant lies?
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So Currency Unions never work? Belguim and Luxembourg had one for 50 years and it worked pretty well.
It was rather closer than the one the SNP is proposing between iScotland and the UK, and the two economies were somewhat closer in size, in addition to neither having a petro-currency (as iScotland pretty well would).
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Even if it involves telling blatant lies?
Just like Osbourne, Balls and Alexander.
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Just like Osbourne, Balls and Alexander.
How have they lied? They've made a policy statement.

http://yougov.co.uk/news/2014/02/16/...ly-england-an/

Has Alex Salmond ever found his legal advice on the EU?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...s-9026325.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...al-advice.html
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Remember when the SNP described the £ as a millstone around Scotland's neck?

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/...pound-1.263204

You've agreed a few pages back that we'll be having to renegotiate entry into the EU. How do you propose we get out of honing the €?
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Of course it does. That is nonsense!
How can you have economic freedom by being in a currency union?
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Remember when the SNP described the £ as a millstone around Scotland's neck?

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/...pound-1.263204

You've agreed a few pages back that we'll be having to renegotiate entry into the EU. How do you propose we get out of honing the €?
No idea. Will leave that to the experts.

Euro would suit me fine anyway.
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They want it for themselves? :confused:

They want it, end of!!!

For 80 years the SNP have campaigned for independence and people like Alex Salmond will be one of the key figures in Scottish history if YES prevails. But it isn't for personal glory - it is a life's ambition.

After independence, the SNP are redundant.
I thought all the unionist parties were traitors within the gates? Surely they will not leave iScotland in the hands of such people.
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No idea. Will leave that to the experts.

Euro would suit me fine anyway.
It's not fine for the majority of the rest of the UK. That's why they never entered a currency union. That's why the SNP did a massive u turn on its € adoption.

But as the saying goes. A leopard never changes its spots. I wouldn't be surprised if that's the main aim of the SNP. Say one thing to win votes but continue with a long held belief that they want the €.
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Moral high ground? This is about winning.

You believe what you wish.

I and many other Scots see this for what it is.
Ah, so lie now and worry about the consequences later.
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How can you have economic freedom by being in a currency union?
A currency union does not equal full economic freedom, but it leads to more than we currently have.

Picking just one example. Air Passenger Duty is a concern to the Scottish Government.

http://www.theguardian.com/business/...passenger-duty
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A currency union does not equal full economic freedom, but it leads to more than we currently have.

Picking just one example. Air Passenger Duty is a concern to the Scottish Government.

http://www.theguardian.com/business/...passenger-duty
So it leads to the now dismissed 'devo max' type scenario. May as well vote No then.
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So it leads to the now dismissed 'devo max' type scenario. May as well vote No then.
Nope. No extra powers are guaranteed in event of a NO vote.
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I thought all the unionist parties were traitors within the gates? Surely they will not leave iScotland in the hands of such people.
Did you? Well that was rather childish of you!
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Did you? Well that was rather childish of you!
I was just listening to the great Winnie Ewing, still heralded by the SNP. All unionist parties are traitors she said, so I believed it. Just like you believed Alex Salmond when he said everybody's bluffing on a currency union.
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