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    (Original post by Chindits)
    And yet you can't refute what I say about the odious Islam.

    Does it or does it not call for perpetual conflict until judgement day?

    Does it or does it not say non-Muslim can only be allowed to live if they convert to Islam or agree to live as Dhimmis and pay a tax to the Islamic Sharia state?

    according to the last time I checked- my answer to this would be NOOO!!!

    thats not what it says at all!! thats the crap that people like yourself make up!!
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    Maybe some of the apologists need to spend an hour acquainting themselves with Islam

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oB9x5YKf9k

    This Islamist scholar, far from frothing at the mouth - calmly describes how Islam seeks to dominate, conquer and wage perpetual war until it achieves complete domination.

    It's a long video, but he reads Islamic text from the Qu'ran and hadiths which basically tell us that there will never be peace with Islam unless we submit to them.
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    (Original post by Enoch.)
    Rush Limbaugh is going to have a field trip today
    He's already posting in this thread, it seems.
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    (Original post by Farm_Ecology)
    Nobody is saying all Muslims are extremists, they are saying Muslim extremists are extremists. In anycase, Islam is an ideology and an identity that is under attack by America. Baseball caps are an item of clothing.
    I'm not a muslim, so I don't know if they are under attack from America. It does, however, seem quite unlikely.

    (Original post by Farm_Ecology)
    It's doesn't necessarily mean it is their motivation, but it seems a likely one.
    It's like if a Tibetan committed a terrorist attack in Beijing, it seems likely that Tibet was his motivator.
    I still don't think we can say that objectively yet. For all it's worth his twitter isn't filled with extremist preaching, indeed it is quite the opposite, there are more memes than religious 'tweets'. For example "Gain knowledge, get women, acquire currency #livestrong".

    The preacher he retweeted recently also seems relatively moderate "Maltreating others or being unfair & unjust with them simply because they follow a different religion is unacceptable."

    Obviously that isn't exactly a strong case, but there hasn't been any indication thus far of his motives.
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    (Original post by Chindits)
    Maybe some of the apologists need to spend an hour acquainting themselves with Islam

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oB9x5YKf9k

    This Islamist scholar, far from frothing at the mouth - calmly describes how Islam seeks to dominate, conquer and wage perpetual war until it achieves complete domination.

    It's a long video, but he reads Islamic text from the Qu'ran and hadiths which basically tell us that there will never be peace with Islam unless we submit to them.
    Bloody hell, you're really scared of people aren't you?
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    I wonder if theyll catch the other brother?
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    (Original post by Chindits)
    Maybe some of the apologists need to spend an hour acquainting themselves with Islam

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0oB9x5YKf9k

    This Islamist scholar, far from frothing at the mouth - calmly describes how Islam seeks to dominate, conquer and wage perpetual war until it achieves complete domination.

    It's a long video, but he reads Islamic text from the Qu'ran and hadiths which basically tell us that there will never be peace with Islam unless we submit to them.

    seriously cant say anything more than BS!
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    (Original post by student room sk)
    seriously cant say anything more than BS!
    Take it up with the scholar reading from the Qu'ran and hadiths.

    It's there in black and white - the word of god. "Keep fighting the unbelievers until the day of judgement"
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    (Original post by Chindits)
    Take it up with the scholar reading from the Qu'ran and hadiths.

    It's there in black and white - the word of god. "Keep fighting the unbelievers until the day of judgement"
    scholars also manage to twist the Qu'ran and hadiths to make Islam a religion of peace. it is a vague book, you can twist it to whatever adgenda you like if you try hard enough
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    (Original post by Chindits)
    Take it up with the scholar reading from the Qu'ran and hadiths.

    It's there in black and white - the word of god. "Keep fighting the unbelievers until the day of judgement"

    I'm sorry to say but this isnt right!!

    I 've personally never been told to do anything as sickening in my entire life!!

    bombing a place is sick and in Islam your told NOT TO KILL !! thats wrong, no one has the right to take the life of any other person, its upsetting!!
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    his father claims the secret service framed him
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    (Original post by Chindits)
    Take it up with the scholar reading from the Qu'ran and hadiths.

    It's there in black and white - the word of god. "Keep fighting the unbelievers until the day of judgement"
    And you can connect, directly and explicitly, that scholar's beliefs with the as of yet undocumented beliefs of the two bombers? Impressive. Tell us your mind reading skills so we can all benefit.

    Otherwise, stop being a narrow-minded bigot and wait for some actual evidence fbefore damning them as Muslim extremists.
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    (Original post by Chindits)
    Take it up with the scholar reading from the Qu'ran and hadiths.

    It's there in black and white - the word of god. "Keep fighting the unbelievers until the day of judgement"
    BS! I am a Muslim and I never heard of that one before.
    Give met the Surah? the verse number?
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    (Original post by lucaf)
    scholars also manage to twist the Qu'ran and hadiths to make Islam a religion of peace. it is a vague book, you can twist it to whatever adgenda you like if you try hard enough
    You can't really twist "keep fighting the unbelievers until the day of judgement"

    And the reason why many Islamists behead their victims?

    Because the Qu'ran call to "smite your enemies on the neck"

    So we can see it's taken literally by extremist Muslims.

    The Qu'ran and hadiths explicitly say you CANNOT have a lasting peace with non-Muslims. You can only have temporary and strategic ceasefires - but that WAR must be continually waged.


    You can't spin it, it's there in black and white.
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    I'd like to remind everyone that this is not a thread for the discussion of Islam, it is a discussion of the attacks. Please keep the thread on topic.
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    (Original post by nm786)
    BS! I am a Muslim and I never heard of that one before.
    Give met the Surah? the verse number?
    I linked the video. He references most of what he talks about.
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    (Original post by Chindits)
    You can't spin it, it's there in black and white.
    You can spin basically anything that's written in any religious text, because its all about how it's interpreted.

    Anyway, all this stuff going on is incredibly interesting. Controlled explosion due this afternoon.
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    (Original post by Chindits)
    And yet you can't refute what I say about the odious Islam.

    Does it or does it not call for perpetual conflict until judgement day?
    It condones jihad till judgement day.

    A physical jihad can be implementing if another state is oppressing it's muslims, if the Islamic state is attacked or if an mutual aggression treaty is invoked by its ally.

    Here is Bernard Lewis on Jihad. He has spent the majority of his life studying/writing about Islam and it's history;

    Muslim fighters are commanded not to kill women, children, or the aged unless they attack first; not to torture or otherwise ill-treat prisoners; to give fair warning of the opening of hostilities or their resumption after a truce; and to honor agreements... At no time did the classical jurists offer any approval or legitimacy to what we nowadays call terrorism. Nor indeed is there any evidence of the use of terrorism as it is practiced nowadays."


    (Original post by Chindits)
    Does it or does it not say non-Muslim can only be allowed to live if they convert to Islam or agree to live as Dhimmis and pay a tax to the Islamic Sharia state?
    In the same way that the Her Majesty's revenue customs would fight me if I don't pay my tax here.

    Muslims pay tax, Zakah and Kharaj and non muslims payJizyah. Punishment for both sets of people not paying their respective taxes are imprisonment/death or confiscation of property.

    (HM revenues do the same even today! http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/payinghmrc/pr...pay/debts.html )

    Only able bodied men who had money, were non priests or rabbis could pay the jizyah. All those who payed Jizyah were exempt from military conscription and the Muslim state was responsible for protecting them in the same way British is responsible of protecting me. While a able bodied muslim could be conscripted into the armed forces at any time.

    When muslims rulers in Spain could longer defend the Jews during the Spanish inquisition they gave them back their jizyah payments.
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    Its also important that their religion and motive may be totally separate. They could be Muslims, but decided to carry out the bombing because they don't like the proposed gun laws- in that case it clearly wouldn't be 'Islamic terrorism' or whatever you want to call it.
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    (Original post by miser)
    I'd like to remind everyone that this is not a thread for the discussion of Islam, it is a discussion of the attacks. Please keep the thread on topic.
    Chindits has been posting **** for the last five hours and you've done nothing about it. what's going on?
 
 
 
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