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    (Original post by Adorno)
    You want the parties of the Left - Labour and the Socialists - to join in with the Centre and the Lib Dems? You're having a laugh mate. The Lib Dems would sooner jump into bed with the Tories (they have done very recently) than join a "Popular Front" enacting Left-wing legislation. They, and particularly the Centre Party, would baulk the first moment you mentioned nationalisation.
    Not really drogue supports nationalisation of natural monopolies and the Lib Dems are coming back to social democracy now Mr Tory has stepped down and It can work It'll just be a challenge, I'm a dreamer and a believer so don't blame me for being an optimistic dreamer.
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    Nope. I'm strongly in favour of nationalisation of certain things.
    That's you. More free market-inclined Centrists like Drogue won't sign up to things such as the nationalisation of industry. Even you, I suspect, would baulk at the notion of a nationalised banking industry or something of that sort.

    The fact is, the Centre is not compatible with the Left.
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    (Original post by Internationale)
    Not really drogue supports nationalisation of natural monopolies and the Lib Dems are coming back to social democracy now Mr Tory has stepped down and It can work It'll just be a challenge, I'm a dreamer and a believer so don't blame me for being an optimistic dreamer.
    You replaced AFC with Lowson. From a Tory to promiscuity and back again. Lover-lee.
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    (Original post by Adorno)
    That's you. More free market-inclined Centrists like Drogue won't sign up to things such as the nationalisation of industry. Even you, I suspect, would baulk at the notion of a nationalised banking industry or something of that sort.

    The fact is, the Centre is not compatible with the Left.
    Drogue studied management and economics at university so he's bound to far the market but he's not a libertarian he's a social democrat who just doesn't know he is one.
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    (Original post by Adorno)
    You replaced AFC with Lowson. From a Tory to promiscuity and back again. Lover-lee.
    I think you should give him a change to show he's change.
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    (Original post by Internationale)
    Drogue studied management and economics at university so he's bound to far the market but he's not a libertarian he's a social democrat who just doesn't know he is one.
    Yes, I'm aware of that given Drogue and I went to the same university. The way in which the TSR Left has developed in the last year or so makes us far less compatible with Centrist, watered-down revisionism than in previous terms. The Socialists have shifted slightly closer to the democratic socialist spectrum along with us and I really do not think that a Bevanite Left would fit well with a Cleggite Centre.
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    (Original post by Adorno)
    Yes, I'm aware of that given Drogue and I went to the same university. The way in which the TSR Left has developed in the last year or so makes us far less compatible with Centrist, watered-down revisionism than in previous terms. The Socialists have shifted slightly closer to the democratic socialist spectrum along with us and I really do not think that a Bevanite Left would fit well with a Cleggite Centre.
    I know you are I was just pointing It out to the whole MHoCosphere.

    Well we could allways give it a try and If it doesn't work, It doesn't work.

    Anyway Drogue isn't really a Cleggite he's a Drogueite.
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    (Original post by Internationale)
    Anyway thanks for the luck, how are things going in the Socialist Party and did I have anything to do with you join the party?
    I didn't see this, I don't quite understand?
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    (Original post by iwilson03)
    I didn't see this, I don't quite understand?
    I used to be Dark Matter and was In the Centre party before you went Red and used to band on about Marxist etc... alot and I was just wondering do you think I played any part in you going Red?
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    (Original post by Internationale)
    I used to be Dark Matter and was In the Centre party before you went Red and used to band on about Marxist etc... alot and I was just wondering do you think I played any part in you going Red?
    Oh yes I know who you were, I think our last debate/conversation was about colonising the universe or something?

    I'm afraid not to be honest, sorry if that damages your ego I think we probably subscribe to quite a different brand of socialism if you do indeed?
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    (Original post by iwilson03)
    Oh yes I know who you were, I think our last debate/conversation was about colonising the universe or something?

    I'm afraid not to be honest, sorry if that damages your ego I think we probably subscribe to quite a different brand of socialism if you do indeed?
    Yeah, It was but my views have changed since then because I'm going vegan soon so population control doesn't need to be authoritarian any more.

    Yes but It's due to scientific and technological differences more than anything else we're both going in the same direction I just want to go future that you.
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    (Original post by Adorno)
    That's you. More free market-inclined Centrists like Drogue won't sign up to things such as the nationalisation of industry. Even you, I suspect, would baulk at the notion of a nationalised banking industry or something of that sort.

    The fact is, the Centre is not compatible with the Left.
    Well, I don't see what good nationalising the banking industry would do, so I'm against nationalising it. But I do have plans to nationalise some other industries, which have been met with support from other Centre Party members.
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    (Original post by Internationale)
    Yeah, It was but my views have changed since then because I'm going vegan soon so population control doesn't need to be authoritarian any more.

    Yes but It's due to scientific and technological differences more than anything else we're both going in the same direction I just want to go future that you.

    What? I can't really remember the specifics of the conversation, weren't you advocating some kind of a forced block on having children until other planets had been colonised - based on the idea that technology had given us eternal life?

    It isn't at all about scientific and technological differences, to be honest I have a hard time working out what you actually believe in?
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    (Original post by iwilson03)
    What? I can't really remember the specifics of the conversation, weren't you advocating some kind of a forced block on having children until other planets had been colonised - based on the idea that technology had given us eternal life?

    It isn't at all about scientific and technological differences, to be honest I have a hard time working out what you actually believe in?
    Yes but I was only advocating the block on having children because at the time I could never have conserved of becoming a vegan so was worried about how the planet would survive with more than six billion meat eaters but now I would simply promote sensible family sizes and veganism because If I can go vegan anyone can.

    I'm a Marxist but I can move up an down the left when needs be to make a difference to people's lives.
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    (Original post by Internationale)
    Yes but I was only advocating the block on having children because at the time I could never have conserved of becoming a vegan so was worried about how the planet would survive with more than six billion meat eaters but now I would simply promote sensible family sizes and veganism because If I can go vegan anyone can.

    I'm a Marxist but I can move up an down the left when needs be to make a difference to people's lives.
    Dya think the world would be as sustainable with 6billion vegans? Eating all the fruit of the earth and nothing but.
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    (Original post by Cardozo)
    Dya think the world would be as sustainable with 6billion vegans? Eating all the fruit of the earth and nothing but.
    Yes food wise because we'd me emitting less methane etc... and you can build huge sky scraper like green houses to grow the food in when we start running out of land and you could grow food locally drastically cutting down on Co2 emissions etc...

    Veganism on It own of course wont make the world completely sustainable but It will help us a lot on the way to complete sustainability, Marxism, Socialism and Greenish will also be important.
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    I think Adorno's right that you wouldn't see the Centre join a popular front of the leftist parties. While I'm for nationalisation of natural monopolies and I'm sure there are bills we could work on there, we'd clash on too many issues - taxes, benefits and the extent of the market to name a few - to form any coalition there. I can't see us forming a coalition with either the Socialists or an Old Labour party, just as I can't see us ever forming a coalition with the Libertarians or UKIP. The Tories and Lib Dems all combined centrist and left/right elements respectively, so there's enough common ground to consider it there, as there would be with a New Labour-like party.

    As for me personally, I could be considered to have somewhat social democrat in aims, however there are some elements of the left I'm strongly against enough (union power, bureaucracy and the focus on employment over productivity) that I wouldn't fit in most social democrat parties. Also, because I don't purely have social democrat aims, or at least temper them with GDP/productivity concerns, and tend to think that centrist policies are the best way to achieve those aims together, describing me as a social democrat doesn't fit perfectly.
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    (Original post by Drogue)
    I think Adorno's right that you wouldn't see the Centre join a popular front of the leftist parties. While I'm for nationalisation of natural monopolies and I'm sure there are bills we could work on there, we'd clash on too many issues - taxes, benefits and the extent of the market to name a few - to form any coalition there. I can't see us forming a coalition with either the Socialists or an Old Labour party, just as I can't see us ever forming a coalition with the Libertarians or UKIP. The Tories and Lib Dems all combined centrist and left/right elements respectively, so there's enough common ground to consider it there, as there would be with a New Labour-like party.

    As for me personally, I could be considered to have somewhat social democrat in aims, however there are some elements of the left I'm strongly against enough (union power, bureaucracy and the focus on employment over productivity) that I wouldn't fit in most social democrat parties. Also, because I don't purely have social democrat aims, or at least temper them with GDP/productivity concerns, and tend to think that centrist policies are the best way to achieve those aims together, describing me as a social democrat doesn't fit perfectly.
    On taxation, benefits, the extent of the market we can reach compromises etc....

    Drogue the left only likes Unions in Capitalist Societies we hope to change them for a better system when we get a Socialist Society, We want full employment because not having a job is really bad for people's well being and Bureaucracy Is only over used by socialists governments because Law and Order Leftist always seem to weave their way into leadership positions.

    P.S. I know this Idea wont take off, I would just like to see how a popular front on TSR would play out because I bet It would be challenging and fun.

    Any change of an opposition sub-forum being made?
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    I applied to join your party, will you accept me?
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    I applied to join your party, will you accept me?
    On what basis should we accept you?
 
 
 
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