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    (Original post by Red Fox)
    Okay maybe it was a bit harsh grouping her with Farage.

    I look forward to it:lol:
    I don't think she said anything wrong per se tbf.

    They all seem to have the same aims, it's just the methods employed. (I say they all, excluding farage). I personally think Nicola's idea of investment and spending is actually a good one.

    We're in debt so might as well spend a bit more if it means we can generate growth in profitable areas and then use that to pay back debt. It's slower but also a nicer approach compared to quick cuts.

    I say just tax the super rich lots lol, you don't choose what you're born into, and they won't suffer in the slightest with a bit less, they wouldn't even notice.
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    If Miliband took Labour to the left I would so be on that bandwagon.

    (Original post by L'Evil Fish)
    I don't think she said anything wrong per se tbf.

    They all seem to have the same aims, it's just the methods employed. (I say they all, excluding farage). I personally think Nicola's idea of investment and spending is actually a good one.

    We're in debt so might as well spend a bit more if it means we can generate growth in profitable areas and then use that to pay back debt. It's slower but also a nicer approach compared to quick cuts.

    I say just tax the super rich lots lol, you don't choose what you're born into, and they won't suffer in the slightest with a bit less, they wouldn't even notice.
    Exactly what needs to happen; super-duper ****ing "**** you" rich-people taxing. There's certainly a risk that it would push (some of) the rich out of the country, which is why I also say ****ing do that **** EU-wide (and beyond :mmm:).

    Do it more nicely perhaps, but that's why I'm no politician
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    (Original post by L'Evil Fish)
    I don't think she said anything wrong per se tbf.

    They all seem to have the same aims, it's just the methods employed. (I say they all, excluding farage). I personally think Nicola's idea of investment and spending is actually a good one.

    We're in debt so might as well spend a bit more if it means we can generate growth in profitable areas and then use that to pay back debt. It's slower but also a nicer approach compared to quick cuts.

    I say just tax the super rich lots lol, you don't choose what you're born into, and they won't suffer in the slightest with a bit less, they wouldn't even notice.
    Going too intense with taxes on rich and big companies would basically discourage them from remaining in the uk, resulting in less overall tax revenue
    It's difficult to get the tax levels right because you don't want them to go but you want their money :dontknow:

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    (Original post by L'Evil Fish)
    I don't think she said anything wrong per se tbf.

    They all seem to have the same aims, it's just the methods employed. (I say they all, excluding farage). I personally think Nicola's idea of investment and spending is actually a good one.

    We're in debt so might as well spend a bit more if it means we can generate growth in profitable areas and then use that to pay back debt. It's slower but also a nicer approach compared to quick cuts.

    I say just tax the super rich lots lol, you don't choose what you're born into, and they won't suffer in the slightest with a bit less, they wouldn't even notice.
    Hmm I do agree that the richer you are, the more tax you should pay obviously. It can get pretty ridiculous though like France has a 75% tax rate for top earners I think. I don't agree that anyone should have that much of their income taken from them no matter how rich they are.
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    (Original post by MangoFreak)
    If Miliband took Labour to the left I would so be on that bandwagon.



    Exactly what needs to happen; super-duper ****ing "**** you" rich-people taxing. There's certainly a risk that it would push (some of) the rich out of the country, which is why I also say ****ing do that **** EU-wide (and beyond :mmm:).

    Do it more nicely perhaps, but that's why I'm no politician
    Okay, when I say lots I don't mean 50% or anything huge. Just more than lower earners.

    (Original post by NinjaPandaa)
    Going too intense with taxes on rich and big companies would basically discourage them from remaining in the uk, resulting in less overall tax revenue
    It's difficult to get the tax levels right because you don't want them to go but you want their money :dontknow:

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    Yes but all those tax avoiders for example, they evade because they're selfish *****. They need to be caught and made an example of. Then have the tax a fair amount so they won't try to evade. If they leave they leave, you'd just hope not all would. That or impose a global tax on the rich :awesome:

    (Original post by Red Fox)
    Hmm I do agree that the richer you are, the more tax you should pay obviously. It can get pretty ridiculous though like France has a 75% tax rate for top earners I think. I don't agree that anyone should have that much of their income taken from them no matter how rich they are.
    That's a bit ridiculous tbh.
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    (Original post by MangoFreak)
    I'm an avid Green supporter (paying member and all) but Natalie Bennett is...meh.
    Couldn't agree more with this, my exact thoughts

    (Original post by Red Fox)
    I'm about halfway through watching it. I won't be voting anyway but it's still quite interesting.

    Miliband - Freaking me out when he stares directly into the camera but he's saying some decent things
    I got a text halfway through the debate saying "why does ed miliband always talk like he's on a comic relief advert " ahahahahah :lol:


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    (Original post by rachelc142)
    Couldn't agree more with this, my exact thoughts



    I got a text halfway through the debate saying "why does ed miliband always talk like he's on a comic relief advert " ahahahahah :lol:


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    Hahaha that's a perfect description:lol:.

    I do feel sorry for Miliband when everyone tears into him though. He seems like a decent guy.
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    (Original post by Red Fox)
    Hahaha that's a perfect description:lol:.

    I do feel sorry for Miliband when everyone tears into him though. He seems like a decent guy.
    I adore ed miliband, think he's a genuinely good guy
    I prefer him to Bennett, am so torn between Greens and Labour

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    (Original post by rachelc142)
    I adore ed miliband, think he's a genuinely good guy
    I prefer him to Bennett, am so torn between Greens and Labour

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    I think it rests on whether you want to go for the person or the policies of the party.
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    (Original post by L'Evil Fish)
    I think it rests on whether you want to go for the person or the policies of the party.
    I tend to do it by constituency
    For example my constituency is always overwhelming labour so I don't need to worry about that, which makes me think I should vote green
    However the constituency I go to college in is always a two horse race between tories and labour. If I lived there I would definitely vote labour as I feel it counts for more there.

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    (Original post by MangoFreak)
    Politicians may be the most powerful people (fundamentally, practically the fundraisers are), but that doesn't mean they have the power to do everything.
    Then they shouldn't make the promises they don't intend to keep!
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    (Original post by rachelc142)
    I adore ed miliband, think he's a genuinely good guy
    I prefer him to Bennett, am so torn between Greens and Labour

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    Do the Greens really have a chance of winning the seat though? It's probably going to be Labour v Conservative in the end so a vote for Labour is probably a more tactical vote. Labour always easily win in my constituency so is there even a point in voting:lol: (not srs before someone lectures me about the point of voting).
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    (Original post by rachelc142)
    I tend to do it by constituency
    For example my constituency is always overwhelming labour so I don't need to worry about that, which makes me think I should vote green
    However the constituency I go to college in is always a two horse race between tories and labour. If I lived there I would definitely vote labour as I feel it counts for more there.

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    Might look up some stats actually in my areas

    And also vote for my grandparents lmao
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    (Original post by L'Evil Fish)
    Okay, when I say lots I don't mean 50% or anything huge. Just more than lower earners.



    Yes but all those tax avoiders for example, they evade because they're selfish *****. They need to be caught and made an example of. Then have the tax a fair amount so they won't try to evade. If they leave they leave, you'd just hope not all would. That or impose a global tax on the rich :awesome:



    That's a bit ridiculous tbh.
    Not much you can do about tax avoidance there are so many loopholes and it's some people's jobs to just find these loopholes

    Even making an example of people rarely works, although Gary Barlow did pay all that he owed back I believe

    Also important to remember tax avoidance isn't actually illegal

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    Conservatives will win in my constituency, and their only threat is UKIP. Therefore, it is most likely more beneficial to tactically vote conservative even though I am Labour
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    (Original post by NinjaPandaa)
    Not much you can do about tax avoidance there are so many loopholes and it's some people's jobs to just find these loopholes

    Even making an example of people rarely works, although Gary Barlow did pay all that he owed back I believe

    Also important to remember tax avoidance isn't actually illegal

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    Make it illegal, job done

    All it needs to say is

    Any attempt to evade tax is punishable

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    Conservatives will win in my constituency, and their only threat is UKIP. Therefore, it is most likely more beneficial to tactically vote conservative even though I am Labour
    Yeah, should vote conservative then imo
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    (Original post by Magnus Taylor)
    Conservatives will win in my constituency, and their only threat is UKIP. Therefore, it is most likely more beneficial to tactically vote conservative even though I am Labour
    Thats the same here, conservative here but because of immigration most of the people are really racist and are going to UKIP.
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    (Original post by L'Evil Fish)
    Make it illegal, job done

    All it needs to say is

    Any attempt to evade tax is punishable

    Tada


    Yeah, should vote conservative then imo
    Tax evasion is illegal , tax avoidance however is legal and its pretty difficult to stop that being the case - it's more like bending the rules than breaking them although obviously morally questionable

    There will always loopholes though it's v tricky to stop and potentially a waste of govt money closing them all :dontknow:

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    (Original post by NinjaPandaa)
    Tax evasion is illegal , tax avoidance however is legal and its pretty difficult to stop that being the case - it's more like bending the rules than breaking them although obviously morally questionable

    There will always loopholes though it's v tricky to stop and potentially a waste of govt money closing them all :dontknow:

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    I don't understand how there can be loopholes if you just make one law which is just super short and brief saying it's illegal.

    Either way, it's just selfish. You benefit from the people, you earn lots, so just pay some tax.

    As much as I want money, I'd rather have less if it means helping some form of greater good, where a majority benefit.

    Maybe I'm too much of a naive idealist of sorts lol
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    (Original post by L'Evil Fish)
    I don't understand how there can be loopholes if you just make one law which is just super short and brief saying it's illegal.

    Either way, it's just selfish. You benefit from the people, you earn lots, so just pay some tax.

    As much as I want money, I'd rather have less if it means helping some form of greater good, where a majority benefit.

    Maybe I'm too much of a naive idealist of sorts lol
    Not at all, I completely agree with all of that
    If at any point in my life I'm earning above 60-70k /year I'd happily pay at least 50% income tax to support welfare & benefits for the less fortunate.
    It's just that the people in power tend to be ****ing greedy.

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