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Interesting topic of discussion. Do people think that Vidal is likely to take the starting spot this season? I reckon the issue of fitness means that the two will rotate for the meanwhile.
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Where is TH? so, the Transfer fee for Bale is still unkown? and what about Ronaldo hisself? is his Transfer fee really known?
Bale cost Madrid £85M. The figure was stated as £78M by Madrid in order to keep Ronaldo happy, so he was still the most expensive player of all time.
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http://www.espnfc.us/club/barcelona/...e-at-barcelona

Interesting topic of discussion. Do people think that Vidal is likely to take the starting spot this season? I reckon the issue of fitness means that the two will rotate for the meanwhile.
It's probably the only curious debate you can have as to who deserves to start for Barcelona, given the automatic selections elsewhere.

Obviously, Alves is ageing - and he's now 32 - so it makes sense to manage his game time and allow Vidal more. There's no reason they can't rotate, though, in truth. Vidal is no spring chicken, though. A few of the comments suggest he's young - and while he's younger than Alves - he isn't exactly a raw youngster who will be grateful for any time he can get on the pitch.
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Doubt Ronaldo is as miffed as he would have been had this story come out in 2013 officially that he was the world record but now, won't cause much ripples but I don't see Bale walking into the Real dressing room and giving it large to Cristiano as funny and completely uncharacteristic it would be of the Wales man.
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Bale cost Madrid £85M. The figure was stated as £78M by Madrid in order to keep Ronaldo happy, so he was still the most expensive player of all time.
To keep Ronaldo happy? is he really so vain that he would be unhappy, yeah even jealous to another football player, if this football player has a higher transfer fee?

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TH is Tottenham Hotspur...

... it's in London
I know where the place of the Spurs is, but I thought the abbreviation refers to a footballer? have not thought about a football club!
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Re: Alves and Vidal, how good even is Vidal? Has he been good for Barca yet? Generally players come to Barca and need a 6 month adjustment period minimum, see Neymar, Rakitic, Mascherano, even Suarez took a few months and he's ****ing sick. If Vidal is truly ready for the first team in terms of meeting his own potential, sure consider using him to give Alves a kick up the arse. Alves is still the best in the world if he wants to be - and that's if the occasion demands it. Don't be surprised to see him hitting proper form as the season nears its climax.
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TH is Tottenham Hotspur...

... it's in London
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Alves/Mascherano had shockers for Barcelona tonight, by all accounts.
Mascherano, how? Thought he was one of the stand-out players, very solid for the big part of the game. The only point of criticism is that he didn't look good in the goal, but that one was more on Alves. Also, can only feel sorry for him having to cover up for Adriano.

I didn't think Alves was entirely horrible either tbh. He was provoking that goal for much of the second half with his stilly passes and clearances, but his offensive contribution and the job he did in build-up play, especially in the first half, were decent.



(Original post by jam277)
http://www.espnfc.us/club/barcelona/...e-at-barcelona

Interesting topic of discussion. Do people think that Vidal is likely to take the starting spot this season? I reckon the issue of fitness means that the two will rotate for the meanwhile.
It's a premature and unwarranted one. This season, Sergi Roberto has produced much better performances as RB than Vidal, yet it didn't spark a discussion regarding Alves. Vidal has shown some promise and offers a slightly different approach to RB, but it's not as if he's been mind-blowingly good to warrant a discussion about a permanent starting spot; at least if the same applies to Sergi. He's still improving his defensive skills and developing in that RB role from being a winger more than anything; he hasn't been properly tested either. His main role for the time being is to provide depth for various positions much like Sergi, such as on the wings, as RB and perhaps even LB.

The condition behind keeping Alves was always to bring in competent competition, because Alves needs that sort of motivation to perform at his best level (cf. last season: the spike in his performance when his renewal was under threat). And at his best level, Alves is irreplacable and the best option because of his unique midfield linkup and contribution to build-up, Messi connection and defensive superiority over most options; some of these qualities get overlooked.

Think the article is sensationalist anyway. That talk about a "Gala 11" and pointing out Alves as the notable exception is ignoring the fact that a lot of the clear starters have been rotated this season, not just Alves. Would also disagree with this being the most or only curious debate for Barcelona's team; there are a few more interesting (and much more warranted) ones. CM roles this season? GK situation? Etc.
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It's a premature and unwarranted one. This season, Sergi Roberto has produced much better performances as RB than Vidal, yet it didn't spark a discussion regarding Alves. Vidal has shown some promise and offers a slightly different approach to RB, but it's not as if he's been mind-blowingly good to warrant a discussion about a permanent starting spot; at least if the same applies to Sergi. He's still improving his defensive skills and developing in that RB role from being a winger more than anything; he hasn't been properly tested either. His main role for the time being is to provide depth for various positions much like Sergi, such as on the wings, as RB and perhaps even LB.

The condition behind keeping Alves was always to bring in competent competition, because Alves needs that sort of motivation to perform at his best level (cf. last season: the spike in his performance when his renewal was under threat). And at his best level, Alves is irreplacable and the best option because of his unique midfield linkup and contribution to build-up, Messi connection and defensive superiority over most options; some of these qualities get overlooked.

Think the article is sensationalist anyway. That talk about a "Gala 11" and pointing out Alves as the notable exception is ignoring the fact that a lot of the clear starters have been rotated this season, not just Alves. Would also disagree with this being the most or only curious debate for Barcelona's team; there are a few more interesting (and much more warranted) ones. CM roles this season? GK situation? Etc.
Maybe not as a permanent starting spot. I was more thinking because of Enriques rotation policy he'd be rotating the two for the meanwhile, especially since he would probably want to get him to match fitness(so that during business end of the season he is able to rely on his rotation players and so that Alves is fit for the big games). Obviously Alves is currently the better player of the two and is more useful to Barcelona but long term you'd think Vidal would be the main option to go to though. Vidal was most likely racking up game time to get him to match fitness and rest Alves.

I guess the GK situation already has been decided(league bravo cups ter stegen) but surely at some point Ter Stegen will most likely take the no.1 spot(unlikely to be this season though).

I've heard you talk about midfield roles a few times. What exactly do you mean by midfield roles and what about it needs to be changed/has there been any sort of change since the start of Enrique's tenure?
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I've heard you talk about midfield roles a few times. What exactly do you mean by midfield roles and what about it needs to be changed/has there been any sort of change since the start of Enrique's tenure?
I'd guess it's the two who play in front of Busquets. Who starts? With Iniesta getting older and more and more unable to play every game, Barca have a few options in terms of who can replace him. Arda, Sergi Roberto, Rafinha when he's back, they can all fill that role quite well.

I'd guess that Rakitic is also an almost guaranteed starter for now.


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A shame that Gary Neville has already faced his first white handkerchiefs, during the latest draw with Las Palmas. Big game this weekend, away to Deportivo La Coruña.
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I don't think the handkerchiefs were for him tbh, more so for the owner Lim and his team. But Neville has hardly set things alight under his management but feel he could do with some acquisitions.
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Barcelona would surely be better off with Nolito, Deleufeu and Tello as their second choices in the attack, rather than Munir and Sandro.
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Another draw for Neville and Negredo bags a late header, well taken admittedly.

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Real were knocking on Celta's door towards the end there, but couldn't fashion a clear cut chance and it ends 1-1 after Benzema's equaliser.
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Another draw for Neville and Negredo bags a late header, well taken admittedly.

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Nice finish from him but they fortunate to get a point. The linesman made lots of mistakes and Depor had a few offside calls wrongly given against them.

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Real were knocking on Celta's door towards the end there, but couldn't fashion a clear cut chance and it ends 1-1 after Benzema's equaliser.
They played Real Betis

The first goal was a beauty. The swivel and shot was fantastic. Real were fortunate with the equaliser considering James was clearly offside.

Real were much better second half.

There was one former Real youth team play on show yesterday. .. and he played in goal for Betis. Adam had a good game. Zidane needs to drop Danilo immediately.
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They played Real Betis

The first goal was a beauty. The swivel and shot was fantastic. Real were fortunate with the equaliser considering James was clearly offside.

Real were much better second half.

There was one former Real youth team play on show yesterday. .. and he played in goal for Betis. Adam had a good game. Zidane needs to drop Danilo immediately.
Slip of the fingers!

An unbelievable strike from Betis to open the scoring. Remarkable.

Benzema - and a couple of others - seemed off-side for the equaliser.
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Big upset on the cards in the Cuppa Del Boy tonight, with Atletico requiring 3 goals in the last 20 minutes against Celta
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I've heard you talk about midfield roles a few times. What exactly do you mean by midfield roles and what about it needs to be changed/has there been any sort of change since the start of Enrique's tenure?
I was referring to the developments exclusively this season. In 2014/15 the tactics tended to be very direct, the creative duty and focal point lying mostly on the front three with the midfield acting more as support, something which, inevitably, resulted in Rakitic thriving and Iniesta struggling. This season, some players have shown significant improvements in areas that allow for a more creative midfield again, & others have joined that tick that box.

Firstly, Neymar has said goodbye to his tendency to slow down the play by holding too long onto the ball; he tends to combine more and opts less for the unnecessary show-off solo. This automatically involves the CM on the left side more and more creatively. As a result, Iniesta has been thriving and become one of the key players again (and similarly, it took Rakitic almost half of the season to find back to his old form).

At the same time, a couple of very technical, creative midfielders are (re-)emerging, e.g. Roberto and Arda. Rafinha too, should he find back to his pre-injury form. And rumours point to a possible return of Denis Suárez. That means the starters are far from being as obvious as was suggested. For example, for several months, you could have argued Rakitic should've been dropped for Roberto, but now, he's beasting it again, so can't really do that.

So essentially, there's suddenly more depth and different options in midfield for different occasions/tactics. If we really want to start (unnecessary) discussions about possible changes in starting positions, then this would be a better one than Vidal/Alves.

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I guess the GK situation already has been decided(league bravo cups ter stegen) but surely at some point Ter Stegen will most likely take the no.1 spot(unlikely to be this season though).
Yes, but this "decision" is a provisorium that needs addressing. "At some point" is well and good but Ter Stegen is at an age where he possibly can't or doesn't want to afford waiting for that. If we wants to fulfill his (really amazing) potential, then it is, thanks to his age, becoming more and more urgent to get the chance to work on that *now*. IMO he could be one of the best few GKs in the world, but he won't with such sporadic game time and high pressure every game. To improve, he needs the routine of playing week in week out and also the confidence of a small easy clean-sheet-run, something which is impossible in the format of CL and copa. If, going into the next season, he's still not playing the league, he should go, and imo, he will. Otherwise, his development will be stalled and his potential partly wasted.

So do Barça want to keep playing Bravo based on the fact that he's currently the more reliable, experienced and routined option and on his excellent form, and risk losing ter Stegen with the prospect of having to cash in on another young gk in the next few years, someone who will probably not have the same 100% "Barça-style" profile and not the same potential as him? (And potentially also risking Bravo to return to his Sociedad form without the competition.)

But on the other hand, wouldn't it be mental to drop a keeper like Bravo to nurture a young talent for the future?

There's no easy answer on that and you can argue for both positions. IMO this is the most interesting personnel debate wrt Barcelona.

(Original post by Mackay)
Barcelona would surely be better off with Nolito, Deleufeu and Tello as their second choices in the attack, rather than Munir and Sandro.
What has Tello ever shown to suggest he is good enough and even fits in at Barcelona, and what has he shown since leaving that indicates he's now a better fit and would now do better than back when he was still at the club though? IMO it's safe to say his departure was one of the most logical ones.

Deulofeu is showing good promise, but had he returned to Barcelona in the summer, when he was still deemed as not ready both by Emery and Lucho, there is a very good chance he would not have shown this improvement, just like Munir and Sandro weren't able to (or Munir until recently, he's improved much).
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Vidal? I'd call him "Aleix" cause the other Vidal who plays for Bayern calls dibs
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