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    (Original post by Aph)
    Except that the MHoC guidelines state that all affiliated publications also are under the rules. So for instance if birch had published an Ad Hoc attacking a member and using derogatory Language, dispite the fact that it is technically 'off-site' he would, rightly, have been punished for it.

    I agree that there is a line somewhere, but I'm not sure that I would draw it where you do.
    Can I just say, MHoC rules don't override TSR rules... I agree with toronto - it is incredibly wrong to think that what happens on the external wikia should have any bearing on what happens on site.

    If users don't like what they see on a PUBLIC site, then they should report that to that RELEVANT SITE (wikia) NOT tsr. Bringing it back onto tsr just causes further, unneeded arguments. If someone doesn't like what they see on the wikia, then they've got the choice to not see it.
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    (Original post by mobbsy91)
    Can I just say, MHoC rules don't override TSR rules... I agree with toronto - it is incredibly wrong to think that what happens on the external wikia should have any bearing on what happens on site.

    If users don't like what they see on a PUBLIC site, then they should report that to that RELEVANT SITE (wikia) NOT tsr. Bringing it back onto tsr just causes further, unneeded arguments. If someone doesn't like what they see on the wikia, then they've got the choice to not see it.
    But also I don't see how it's really within TSR's ability to control discussion of off-site events. IMO members should feel entitled to do so if they wish.
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    But also I don't see how it's really within TSR's ability to control discussion of off-site events. IMO members should feel entitled to do so if they wish.
    Well, yes, but should a member post an image of someone being rude or something, then that member should actually be punished for posting inappropriate/offensive material...

    Say I post a picture of you insulting Aph, I should get punished for posting content which is against the rules of this site, and you shouldn't imo.
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    (Original post by Quamquam123)
    So you are saying that if the url contained 'tsr' somewhere, you wouldn't mind?
    You're missing my point entirely - if this was on TSR, then cranbrook would be right to complain here and to report it should he so wish. This incident, however, took place offsite and therefore is an offsite matter. To bring an argument here as he did is completely wrong as is his declaration that he will call people out on what happened - that's bringing disruption from another site onto this one which is plain wrong. Those who wish to use the wikia are free to do so and I wouldn't dream of stopping them, but I expect the same respect back, i.e. that when something goes wrong over there, it stays over there because really it's not for the Speakership team nor indeed the mod team to clean up a mess which has nothing to do with us.

    (Original post by Aph)
    Except that the MHoC guidelines state that all affiliated publications also are under the rules. So for instance if birch had published an Ad Hoc attacking a member and using derogatory Language, dispite the fact that it is technically 'off-site' he would, rightly, have been punished for it.

    I agree that there is a line somewhere, but I'm not sure that I would draw it where you do.
    Mobbsy has basically said it for me. Those are MHoC guidelines, but TSR guidelines override MHoC ones. There is, as far as I am aware, no compulsion under TSR rules for the mod team to intervene in what is an offsite argument. Now should it come back onsite and break TSR rules, then only posts on this site which broke the rules would be punished, not those on the other site - after all, how could mods punish offsite posts and to do so would be to open a can of worms in which an offensive post on facebook or twitter say would also be open to being punished. Since it is thus not a mod issue, I fail to see how it becomes a Speakership issue for punishment and so really, it's an offsite issue, it stays offsite.

    (Original post by mobbsy91)
    Can I just say, MHoC rules don't override TSR rules... I agree with toronto - it is incredibly wrong to think that what happens on the external wikia should have any bearing on what happens on site.

    If users don't like what they see on a PUBLIC site, then they should report that to that RELEVANT SITE (wikia) NOT tsr. Bringing it back onto tsr just causes further, unneeded arguments. If someone doesn't like what they see on the wikia, then they've got the choice to not see it.
    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    But also I don't see how it's really within TSR's ability to control discussion of off-site events. IMO members should feel entitled to do so if they wish.
    I don't object to discussion of off-site events and indeed members should be free to discuss what they want, but cranbrook crossed a line this morning by bringing an argument from another site onto this one and thus causing disruption - that is what I object to. You want to use offsite tools such as wikia and skype and you want to discuss them on here, be my guest, but don't bring the arguments with you because that's disruptive.
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    You can't even prove a user over there is the same person as a user with the same name here so it's completely pointless to demand punishments for anything off TSR. The CT may be slow to respond but they aren't stupid.
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    (Original post by mobbsy91)
    Well, yes, but should a member post an image of someone being rude or something, then that member should actually be punished for posting inappropriate/offensive material...

    Say I post a picture of you insulting Aph, I should get punished for posting content which is against the rules of this site, and you shouldn't imo.
    You're referring to my post of Hazzer's comment?

    Don't see how that's against the rules of TSR.

    But also, I don't think insulting members is necessarily against the rules, though admittedly I've never actually read them (it would be really weird if it was though, for any insult rather than actually offensive ones).
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    You're referring to my post of Hazzer's comment?

    Don't see how that's against the rules of TSR.

    But also, I don't think insulting members is necessarily against the rules, though admittedly I've never actually read them (it would be really weird if it was though, for any insult rather than actually offensive ones).
    No haha! I was literally just using you and Aph as a random example xD
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    (Original post by toronto353)
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    You keep saying it isn't a mod/speakership issue.. but nobody was saying it was. It was simply one user calling out another for an immature comment. I don't see where the issue is here (unless somebody has actually reported it).
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    (Original post by cBay)
    You keep saying it isn't a mod/speakership issue.. but nobody was saying it was. It was simply one user calling out another for an immature comment. I don't see where the issue is here (unless somebody has actually reported it).
    The issue being that a member has said they'll constantly call anything from the wikia, out on TSR... which shouldn't really be done imo.
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    (Original post by cBay)
    You keep saying it isn't a mod/speakership issue.. but nobody was saying it was. It was simply one user calling out another for an immature comment. I don't see where the issue is here (unless somebody has actually reported it).
    That is in reply to specific points about rules and guidelines. Mobbsy is right though, again and so I'll simply quote what he has posted. Now if cranbrook has an issue, he reports it on wikia and doesn't bring it here, disrupting the House for an offsite issue.

    (Original post by mobbsy91)
    The issue being that a member has said they'll constantly call anything from the wikia, out on TSR... which shouldn't really be done imo.
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    If anyone was ever interested, this is kinda why offsite communications in principle were fought so strongly by me in my time as Speaker and later mod. It just made what I had to do 10x more difficult to manage, especially from an investigation perspective. Because I always felt compelled to do something to help, but when it goes offsite that really becomes very difficult! Things like Skype rooms and external sites are a lot more prevalent now, but I just try to imagine what the fallout would have been like if we had all that stuff in the Morgsie era! Wow!

    On the other hand, this wiki seems fun at least. I am bored enough to consider writing myself an article :teeth: Until TMD goes and vandalises it or whatever. But yeah it's certainly a very difficult thing to manage when people use (abuse?) it. Obviously I'm just a normal member now but I think we only had that thing about extending the rules offsite material as a way to stop people being dicks with AdHoC, which is really only an extension of what goes on onsite, because any given AdHoC issue was basically just a hyperlink or attachment contained within a normal post. You can't exactly apply that same reasoning with a completely different site. You have no idea of telling who's who for starters.

    Also HELLO AGAIN :heart:
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    (Original post by Jarred)
    If anyone was ever interested, this is kinda why offsite communications in principle were fought so strongly by me in my time as Speaker and later mod. It just made what I had to do 10x more difficult to manage, especially from an investigation perspective. Because I always felt compelled to do something to help, but when it goes offsite that really becomes very difficult! Things like Skype rooms and external sites are a lot more prevalent now, but I just try to imagine what the fallout would have been like if we had all that stuff in the Morgsie era! Wow!

    On the other hand, this wiki seems fun at least. I am bored enough to consider writing myself an article :teeth: Until TMD goes and vandalises it or whatever. But yeah it's certainly a very difficult thing to manage when people use (abuse?) it. Obviously I'm just a normal member now but I think we only had that thing about extending the rules offsite material as a way to stop people being dicks with AdHoC, which is really only an extension of what goes on onsite, because any given AdHoC issue was basically just a hyperlink or attachment contained within a normal post. You can't exactly apply that same reasoning with a completely different site. You have no idea of telling who's who for starters.

    Also HELLO AGAIN :heart:
    You aren't an SL anymore?! Who is SL of D&CA then
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    (Original post by Aph)
    You aren't an SL anymore?! Who is SL of D&CA then
    To be fair I haven't lived up to the name of SL in a very long time! But D&CA still has miser as before
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    (Original post by Jarred)
    If anyone was ever interested, this is kinda why offsite communications in principle were fought so strongly by me in my time as Speaker and later mod. It just made what I had to do 10x more difficult to manage, especially from an investigation perspective. Because I always felt compelled to do something to help, but when it goes offsite that really becomes very difficult! Things like Skype rooms and external sites are a lot more prevalent now, but I just try to imagine what the fallout would have been like if we had all that stuff in the Morgsie era! Wow!

    On the other hand, this wiki seems fun at least. I am bored enough to consider writing myself an article :teeth: Until TMD goes and vandalises it or whatever. But yeah it's certainly a very difficult thing to manage when people use (abuse?) it. Obviously I'm just a normal member now but I think we only had that thing about extending the rules offsite material as a way to stop people being dicks with AdHoC, which is really only an extension of what goes on onsite, because any given AdHoC issue was basically just a hyperlink or attachment contained within a normal post. You can't exactly apply that same reasoning with a completely different site. You have no idea of telling who's who for starters.

    Also HELLO AGAIN :heart:
    Hello! And sorry about what went on I hope you're well

    As the person that set up the wiki, it's sole intention was to be fun and allow the community to update things. All the important stuff like the constitution SHOULD be available on-site. It's not a replacement.

    I also set it up in the hope that we were all actually mature people. Apparently that isn't the case.

    If people are going to abuse the open editing I'll just lock pages and have a small group of people doing the editing.


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    (Original post by Jarred)
    To be fair I haven't lived up to the name of SL in a very long time! But D&CA still has miser as before
    Ahh, I didn't see an anouncement in the mod changes thread so I was shocked.
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    (Original post by Jarred)
    If anyone was ever interested, this is kinda why offsite communications in principle were fought so strongly by me in my time as Speaker and later mod. It just made what I had to do 10x more difficult to manage, especially from an investigation perspective. Because I always felt compelled to do something to help, but when it goes offsite that really becomes very difficult! Things like Skype rooms and external sites are a lot more prevalent now, but I just try to imagine what the fallout would have been like if we had all that stuff in the Morgsie era! Wow!

    On the other hand, this wiki seems fun at least. I am bored enough to consider writing myself an article :teeth: Until TMD goes and vandalises it or whatever. But yeah it's certainly a very difficult thing to manage when people use (abuse?) it. Obviously I'm just a normal member now but I think we only had that thing about extending the rules offsite material as a way to stop people being dicks with AdHoC, which is really only an extension of what goes on onsite, because any given AdHoC issue was basically just a hyperlink or attachment contained within a normal post. You can't exactly apply that same reasoning with a completely different site. You have no idea of telling who's who for starters.

    Also HELLO AGAIN :heart:
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    (Original post by Jarred)
    If anyone was ever interested, this is kinda why offsite communications in principle were fought so strongly by me in my time as Speaker and later mod. It just made what I had to do 10x more difficult to manage, especially from an investigation perspective. Because I always felt compelled to do something to help, but when it goes offsite that really becomes very difficult! Things like Skype rooms and external sites are a lot more prevalent now, but I just try to imagine what the fallout would have been like if we had all that stuff in the Morgsie era! Wow!

    On the other hand, this wiki seems fun at least. I am bored enough to consider writing myself an article :teeth: Until TMD goes and vandalises it or whatever. But yeah it's certainly a very difficult thing to manage when people use (abuse?) it. Obviously I'm just a normal member now but I think we only had that thing about extending the rules offsite material as a way to stop people being dicks with AdHoC, which is really only an extension of what goes on onsite, because any given AdHoC issue was basically just a hyperlink or attachment contained within a normal post. You can't exactly apply that same reasoning with a completely different site. You have no idea of telling who's who for starters.

    Also HELLO AGAIN :heart:
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    (Original post by Jarred)
    Hiya! Hope things are going well for you.
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    (Original post by Jarred)
    If anyone was ever interested, this is kinda why offsite communications in principle were fought so strongly by me in my time as Speaker and later mod. It just made what I had to do 10x more difficult to manage, especially from an investigation perspective. Because I always felt compelled to do something to help, but when it goes offsite that really becomes very difficult! Things like Skype rooms and external sites are a lot more prevalent now, but I just try to imagine what the fallout would have been like if we had all that stuff in the Morgsie era! Wow!

    On the other hand, this wiki seems fun at least. I am bored enough to consider writing myself an article :teeth: Until TMD goes and vandalises it or whatever. But yeah it's certainly a very difficult thing to manage when people use (abuse?) it. Obviously I'm just a normal member now but I think we only had that thing about extending the rules offsite material as a way to stop people being dicks with AdHoC, which is really only an extension of what goes on onsite, because any given AdHoC issue was basically just a hyperlink or attachment contained within a normal post. You can't exactly apply that same reasoning with a completely different site. You have no idea of telling who's who for starters.

    Also HELLO AGAIN :heart:
    You're still alive!:eek:
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    (Original post by cBay)
    I think the wikia in general will be good because anyone can edit it, unlike the TSR wiki where we have to wait months for just the new speaker to get permission. I don't see the point of everyone having their own wiki page though..

    Also the logo is ugly as ****, just saying.

    I hadn't noticed the logo. What's wrong with my blue and white round one?
 
 
 
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