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Liz Kendall v Theresa May, who would you (likely) vote for?
Kendall would be tempting. I'd probably base it on the manifestos though.

I'd never even bother to be open to Burnham or Corbyn though.
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I'll never understand the foreign policy of the left.. complain about removing a tyrant because a UNSC that includes Russia vetoed it.
Sending men to die because of flimsy evidence is not good foreign policy its barbarism.
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(Original post by Rakas21)
Kendall would be tempting. I'd probably base it on the manifestos though.

I'd never even bother to be open to Burnham or Corbyn though.
Why not Burnham? Hes actually quite right wing.
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Sending men to die because of flimsy evidence is not good foreign policy its barbarism.
The man gassed Kuwait. It was a mistake not to remove him in 91 and i'm certainly fine with us removing him later.
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Stannis makes a reasonable point - Kosovans do name their kids after Blair. An incredible achievement for a British politician.
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I'm predicting Corbyn will do well since all members can vote and most non politically minded labour supporters take the "**** Blair, new labour are basically Tories, Tories are evil, Labour need to go back to socialism" approach.
Better than the lets ignore the reasons why we lost loads of votes to the Greens and SNP Blairite policy.
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Why not Burnham? Hes actually quite right wing.
Naa, he's basically Miliband. He said the 2015 manifesto was the best he's ever stood on and actively pushed the Tory NHS privatisation line.
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Kendall would be tempting. I'd probably base it on the manifestos though.
What is it that you dislike about May? Does she give off the image of the 'nasty party' too much?

I think labour are daft holding an election so early. The party aren't ready for it. They need a long discussion about what labour should be and to find itself again but instead they have dived into an election no one is ready for.

Absolutely no reason why they shouldn't have let harman or even Alan johnson led as caretaker leader for a year or two whilst the dust settles.
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(Original post by Rakas21)
Naa, he's basically Miliband. He said the 2015 manifesto was the best he's ever stood on and actively pushed the Tory NHS privatisation line.
Hes trying to get the left wing of labour to vote for him and although he might now be against privitation hes one of the ones who helped start it.
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(Original post by Markt1998)
Better than the lets ignore the reasons why we lost loads of votes to the Greens and SNP Blairite policy.
To be fair, most Corbyn supporters seem to think that if you move left, you get Scotland back. Completely misses the point.
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(Original post by Rakas21)
I'll never understand the foreign policy of the left.. complain about removing a tyrant because a UNSC that includes Russia vetoed it.
Because removing him was an excuse to steal the oil from the country. That's not 'conspiracist' it's fact.

Look at how much British and American oil firms profited from Iraq.
Not to mention the mass murder of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis.

And was it a success ? Well look at Isis...
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To be fair, most Corbyn supporters seem to think that if you move left, you get Scotland back. Completely misses the point.
Id argue that it would certainly help as long as we stopped the policy of screaming "SNP bad" and actually proposed things. Naturally it wouldnt be easy but its fight to get it back or lose it forever.
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Because removing him was an excuse to steal the oil from the country. That's not 'conspiracist' it's fact.

Look at how much British and American oil firms profited from Iraq.
Not to mention the mass murder of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis.

And was it a success ? Well look at Isis...
Okay.

>removing dictator: good.

> Getting oil: good.

I see no problems.
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On anopther topic; I'm sorry, but woman's football is such low quality. Some of the highlights I'm watching are just ridiculous. inb4 "the England woman's would be the men's team hurr durr England are crap": no.
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Its a bit silly to bring up ISIS as most would agree that if they had found WMD in Iraq the invasion would've been justified but that wouldn't have prevented the rise of those *******s which no saw coming.
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Just a little bit of racism at the end there. Also one of the reasons they want independence is because the fact they would elect a left wing government consistently and England wont. As well as the UK Governments taking all the oil and giving barely any of the money to Scotland nor investing it well.
Can't help it. The way they deserted labour still leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.

The fact is is that after the blood bath of the 20th century, in this country we've grown up enough to realise that the sofl left and soft right is pretty much the best way. Why do so many people want to take us backwards into disproven economics.
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What is it that you dislike about May? Does she give off the image of the 'nasty party' too much?

I think labour are daft holding an election so early. The party aren't ready for it. They need a long discussion about what labour should be and to find itself again but instead they have dived into an election no one is ready for.

Absolutely no reason why they shouldn't have let harman or even Alan johnson led as caretaker leader for a year or two whilst the dust settles.
Not really. She's just too traditionally conservative on social policy for me. I've never heard her discuss economics though so she may win me over on that.

Don't think it would make much difference really. The left would still argue that polls say x and y, the right would still say to go for the Tory vote.
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On anopther topic; I'm sorry, but woman's football is such low quality. Some of the highlights I'm watching are just ridiculous. inb4 "the England woman's would be the men's team hurr durr England are crap": no.
It annoys me so much when women say 'womens football should get more tv time'.

Do you see the Northern League on the tv? No cos its awful but England Ladies would probably lose against Whitley Bay or North Shields so why should they get shown.
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(Original post by KingStannis)
Okay.

>removing dictator: good.

> Getting oil: good.

I see no problems.
Removing a dictator is only good if the alternative is better. The alternative was butchering almost 1 million people, destroying huge parts of the country and the formation of isis as well as many other nasty religious extremist groups created due to the power vacuum.

Stealing someone's oil isn't good is it? Is it okay for me to just take someone's car ?

We invaded entirely for the oil.
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Can't help it. The way they deserted labour still leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.

The fact is is that after the blood bath of the 20th century, in this country we've grown up enough to realise that the sofl left and soft right is pretty much the best way. Why do so many people want to take us backwards into disproven economics.
Would argue that the socialist economics promoted by the SNP isnt disproven. In fact accepting austerity as good for the economy is disproved economics.

The SNP voters would have been more perceptive if Scottish Labour hadnt of been run by people insulting anything left of Blair and shouting "SNP bad".
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