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    (Original post by Zerforax)
    Can isn't a DM or even tactically great at sitting so I don't know why people think he's going to come in and solve all our problems.

    We don't have the right balance between attack and defence yet. Klopp is obviously willing to sacrifice some control to have greater attacking threat but we don't have the defence or midfield for that yet imo..
    Your attack and defence are more heavily connected than many sides though due to the way you press. The aggressive high press and the rapid transition associated is both an attacking an defensive feature, so its harder to back off in the same way. Pressing either more or less, can be both more defensive and less defensive depending how you look at it.

    I said before you ability to conceded from very little attacking threat is quite worrying. I think that is mainly due to pressing failures. Meaning similar to LVG's United, the chances you concede while being few, tend to be more dramatic visually.

    I think Can will be a bit benefit for you guys as he's the best at intelligently applying Klopp's pressing style by some distance. Discipline and intelligence in applying the press are key elements of ensuring that you spring the trap at the right time. If you press to soon and aggressively not only do you open up counters, but you close space and limit passing options upon regain. If you press to late you're risking a poor press and negate the point. Can is not only intelligent he has a far better play making range, making the verticality involved in a swift build up post regain not only more effective but less risky. Neither Henderson or Milner are capable of doing both those things, you have to make a trade, in the choice of Henderson at the base rather than Milner Klopp is already making a defensive decision. Both of those trades come with defensive consequences though. Henderson's lesser passing range and ability to pass under pressure means opposition are less at risk from vertical passes, which is an attacking deficit. However you've also got the issue without that not only is committing bodies forward more risky and less effective you have to load responsibilities to deeper or wider players which has, and has had, defensive cost. So yeah, Can's benefit theoretically two fold pretty much and allows you to improve the balance without sacrifice via overall system improvement rather than adjustment.
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    (Original post by samir12)
    So why are you just posting this in the LFC thread then when I'm pretty sure he got a lot more abuse by non LFC fans on TSR.
    Because people on this thread were saying how he gets carried by Silva and KDB. Quite evidently, as today shows, that is a load of poo poo. I said it myself, Sterling has a fantastic ability, he's not a winger per se because he can glide past people when he is through the centre and I believe we will see more and more of that. It's the mark of an exceptional talent and I don't even like City or Liverpool. If Pogba did the same things the press (i.e. Man Utd TV) would have a massive *** on the tv.
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    (Original post by James.Carnell)
    Because people on this thread were saying how he gets carried by Silva and KDB. Quite evidently, as today shows, that is a load of poo poo. I said it myself, Sterling has a fantastic ability, he's not a winger per se because he can glide past people when he is through the centre and I believe we will see more and more of that. It's the mark of an exceptional talent and I don't even like City or Liverpool. If Pogba did the same things the press (i.e. Man Utd TV) would have a massive *** on the tv.
    Then quote the posters who said that and avoid painting us all in the same brush? Generally LFC fans here know of his qualities, what he is showing so far is what he showed for Liverpool in the 13/14 season and the 14/15 season when he was played as a false 9. The problem was that he didn't show it last season but that wasn't necessarily his fault and got way too much stick than warranted.

    Imo Sterling isn't usually the type of player to make chances for himself or others but rather he thrives on his movement and pace and gets into good positions to score goals whether it is running of the shoulder through on goal or the late runs into the box for tap ins. I still think his finishing can improve but it doesn't matter at when you are in a team like City where chances come in bucket loads and you are in the right position. Guardiola is simply using him better than Pelligrini (and Hodgson) did.
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    Tbh the Liverpool fans on this site really rate Sterling.

    I think Sterling is more willing to take on his man now rather than just run into space. Guardiola's style tends to have his wingers beating people 1 vs 1, they start pretty wide while the fullbacks are pretty inward. Sterling clearly has the ability to beat his man and carry the ball in his locker so really if he improves his end product(finishing mainly as his passing's not bad at all) then you have a beast of a player. Works very hard off the ball too.

    SUG said that he could see Guardiola working with Sterling and make him into a beast and I think you're starting to see that already.
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    We have agreed a fee with Lazio for Luis Alberto. £6m - £4.3 up front + £1.7m in add-ons.
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    (Original post by bammy jastard 27)
    Tbh the Liverpool fans on this site really rate Sterling.

    I think Sterling is more willing to take on his man now rather than just run into space. Guardiola's style tends to have his wingers beating people 1 vs 1, they start pretty wide while the fullbacks are pretty inward. Sterling clearly has the ability to beat his man and carry the ball in his locker so really if he improves his end product(finishing mainly as his passing's not bad at all) then you have a beast of a player. Works very hard off the ball too.

    SUG said that he could see Guardiola working with Sterling and make him into a beast and I think you're starting to see that already.
    Sterling can also beat men running through the centre. Isn't that what Utd paid 100m for in the hope that Pogba can do that regularly?

    Sterling did it regularly against top teams and he also finished his chances when doing so (e.g. vs Chelsea, vs Newcastle). If he can do that consistently over seasons we have one of the best English players ever. No hyperbole. To say he was a water carrier for Suarez is rubbish. I believe Sterling can be one of the best English players ever.

    However, because he is black the press won't rate him as much as he deserves .. he has to prove that he is well above his peers.
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    (Original post by Lúcio)
    It's all about being realistic mate. Of course we want to win the title but you have to tailor your expectations to realism. Leicester was a once in a blue moon thing and it won't happen every season. We're just looking for the positives from a potentially disappointing 4 points considering the performances we've produced should've yielded 6.

    I'm not saying Henderson had a poor game in general, just that his bad pass meant we spurned a game winning opportunity...

    Rose is a quality player tbh mate and he's one of the best LBs in the league. The full backs at Spurs are both absolute quality - they run up and down the line all day long and always produce offensively and defensively.

    We're only 3 games in guys, calm down.
    Still don't see how you can't say it's realistic after Leicester just won the league at a canter. We have the 5th most money in the league and one of the best managers in the world. So I don't think it's unrealistic aiming for the league title in a season where we have no European football and the manager seemingly having bought the players he wanted.

    Yea I'm sure he is a quality fullback but I meant more about not being a goalscorer. Another example would be Gary Neville. Top top quality fullback but in 602 appearances, he scored a massive 7 goals and obviously one of those would've been against us :facepalm:

    (Original post by bammy jastard 27)
    Danny Rose was getting raped by Mane for most of the first half so how was he the best player for Spurs?

    I'd assume that the shield is going to be Emre Can or Stewart. Most likely Can. I think your team is capable of performing as well or better than the whole league(would say that you have been playing the best offensively so far, created the most chances and key pass opportunities) I think Everton are a dark horse for top 4 as well. Koeman's an accomplished manager and they've signed some good players while retaining their best player in Lukaku. Stones going for such a high fee has helped them too.
    Yea Can will come back in once fit. It's odd that Wijnaldum is playing so much. Be interesting if Henderson or Wijnaldum gets dropped once Can is back.

    (Original post by Lúcio)
    Is it possible for you to be just a tiny bit less pessimistic please?

    We played good football vs Arsenal and good football vs Spurs. Burnley was an anomaly - we're one of the best attacking threats in the league.
    Sure we have defensive issues but we coped against Spurs fairly well, not to mention we have Karius to come back who will hopefully challenge Mignolet in goal.
    Just angry about not addressing obvious issues in our team in the transfer window. We must be close to £10-15mil net profit this window even though we should have another 20-30mil to spend extra due to all the increased income.

    Another £50mil spend on our side whether a quality midfield player and leftback could make a world of difference..

    Tbh it won't get any better.. we play Leicester and Chelsea next two games. Such a brutal start to our season :facepalm:

    (Original post by samir12)
    Because Can in midfield is still defensively better than what we have at the moment (Lucas doesn't have the mobility anymore and Stewart is a squad player at best), he has generally played deeper last season but in a midfield 2 where we don't have the personnel for it, it was always going to be a struggle but in a midfield 3 he'll do better.

    Our current midfield did well to keep Spurs at bay for most of the game, they had very few chances so I'm pretty confident that Can coming in when fit will make us a bit more solid. The issue was once the legs started to go, Spurs grew into the game and eventually lead to the goal being conceded, this is where Klopp should of brought on fresh legs in midfield but for some reason he tends to bring in a striker. The goal conceded was the fault of our fullbacks anyway (generally the goals conceded so far have been individual errors from the back 4) so not sure why our midfield is getting criticised for todays game when they actually did okay.
    I'm not sure we'll go to a proper midfield three? Unless you count Lallana as part of that three? Sometimes it's hard to tell what our side is doing exactly since they seem pretty fluid.

    Well it seemed like our midfield gets bypassed too easily. Although saying that our defence seem to give opposition attackers too much time/space too. Whenever Spurs played the ball up the field, it seemed to stick.

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    Your attack and defence are more heavily connected than many sides though due to the way you press. The aggressive high press and the rapid transition associated is both an attacking an defensive feature, so its harder to back off in the same way. Pressing either more or less, can be both more defensive and less defensive depending how you look at it.

    I said before you ability to conceded from very little attacking threat is quite worrying. I think that is mainly due to pressing failures. Meaning similar to LVG's United, the chances you concede while being few, tend to be more dramatic visually.

    I think Can will be a bit benefit for you guys as he's the best at intelligently applying Klopp's pressing style by some distance. Discipline and intelligence in applying the press are key elements of ensuring that you spring the trap at the right time. If you press to soon and aggressively not only do you open up counters, but you close space and limit passing options upon regain. If you press to late you're risking a poor press and negate the point. Can is not only intelligent he has a far better play making range, making the verticality involved in a swift build up post regain not only more effective but less risky. Neither Henderson or Milner are capable of doing both those things, you have to make a trade, in the choice of Henderson at the base rather than Milner Klopp is already making a defensive decision. Both of those trades come with defensive consequences though. Henderson's lesser passing range and ability to pass under pressure means opposition are less at risk from vertical passes, which is an attacking deficit. However you've also got the issue without that not only is committing bodies forward more risky and less effective you have to load responsibilities to deeper or wider players which has, and has had, defensive cost. So yeah, Can's benefit theoretically two fold pretty much and allows you to improve the balance without sacrifice via overall system improvement rather than adjustment.
    Yea I guess our defending starts from the front with the pressing. Just not sure what our defence is doing at the moment

    Just need to work out if it is the system failing or individual players. For me, the Spurs goal was created from Milner pressing at the wrong time otherwise it should've been snuffed out.

    I always find it difficult to work out stuff like that. For me, Henderson is a better presser than Can. The easy Coutinho miss chance was started from a Henderson press I believe. Tbh I'm not sold on Can's passing either. For me, the main attributes that Can brings are strength to the midfield and the ability to carry the ball forward. But yea I do think Can coming in will improve us. As above, not sure if he comes in for Henderson or Wijnaldum.

    (Original post by mr tim)
    We have agreed a fee with Lazio for Luis Alberto. £6m - £4.3 up front + £1.7m in add-ons.
    Good news. Markovic and Balotelli the only obvious names we might want to shift this summer? Perhaps Ings and Sakho too if rumours are believed.
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    Still don't see how you can't say it's realistic after Leicester just won the league at a canter. We have the 5th most money in the league and one of the best managers in the world. So I don't think it's unrealistic aiming for the league title in a season where we have no European football and the manager seemingly having bought the players he wanted.

    Yea I'm sure he is a quality fullback but I meant more about not being a goalscorer. Another example would be Gary Neville. Top top quality fullback but in 602 appearances, he scored a massive 7 goals and obviously one of those would've been against us :facepalm:



    Yea Can will come back in once fit. It's odd that Wijnaldum is playing so much. Be interesting if Henderson or Wijnaldum gets dropped once Can is back.



    Just angry about not addressing obvious issues in our team in the transfer window. We must be close to £10-15mil net profit this window even though we should have another 20-30mil to spend extra due to all the increased income.

    Another £50mil spend on our side whether a quality midfield player and leftback could make a world of difference..

    Tbh it won't get any better.. we play Leicester and Chelsea next two games. Such a brutal start to our season :facepalm:



    I'm not sure we'll go to a proper midfield three? Unless you count Lallana as part of that three? Sometimes it's hard to tell what our side is doing exactly since they seem pretty fluid.

    Well it seemed like our midfield gets bypassed too easily. Although saying that our defence seem to give opposition attackers too much time/space too. Whenever Spurs played the ball up the field, it seemed to stick.



    Yea I guess our defending starts from the front with the pressing. Just not sure what our defence is doing at the moment

    Just need to work out if it is the system failing or individual players. For me, the Spurs goal was created from Milner pressing at the wrong time otherwise it should've been snuffed out.

    I always find it difficult to work out stuff like that. For me, Henderson is a better presser than Can. The easy Coutinho miss chance was started from a Henderson press I believe. Tbh I'm not sold on Can's passing either. For me, the main attributes that Can brings are strength to the midfield and the ability to carry the ball forward. But yea I do think Can coming in will improve us. As above, not sure if he comes in for Henderson or Wijnaldum.



    Good news. Markovic and Balotelli the only obvious names we might want to shift this summer? Perhaps Ings and Sakho too if rumours are believed.
    Notifications is glitched.

    Yeah, Balotelli I think have a few offers, Markovic loan. There was also Wisdom to Celtic rumours yesterday I think but that's now unlikely. Also Randall to Preston on loan one of our youngsters.
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    what on earth is the point of you lot?


    if itv4 were a team
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    Wisdom to Celtic seems OFF but he's set to join Red Bull Salzburg on loan.

    Balotelli set to join Nice

    ings loan to Sunderland rejected.
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    (Original post by Zürich)
    what on earth is the point of you lot?


    if itv4 were a team
    We're like those awesome re-runs that everyone knows and loves.

    What's the point of Arsenal? It's like watching the Antiques Roadshow with Wenger in charge.

    (Original post by mr tim)
    Wisdom to Celtic seems OFF but he's set to join Red Bull Salzburg on loan.

    Balotelli set to join Nice

    ings loan to Sunderland rejected.
    Surprised we're sending Wisdom on loan too (considering Flanagan has gone on loan too) considering we don't have much fullback cover..

    Be good to get Balotelli off the books. I think his contract expires next summer - thankfully we only gave him 3 years (and not 4-5 as is norm). Not sure why Ings is rejecting a loan move, he won't really get any chance here.
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    Thinking about it, I'd quite like to see the following formation tried out:


    ....Firmino..Sturridge..Mane
    ................Coutinho........ ....
    .........Henderson...Can.......
    Moreno..Lovren..Matip..Clyne
    ..................Karius........ .....

    Basically a 4-3-3 so Coutinho isn't so much behind the striker but rather part of the midfield three (but as the most advanced of the trio).

    I think Firmino and Mane have the pace and stamina to play the wider roles, to drift but also track back if needed. Coutinho would need to hold central so that Henderson and Can drop wider/deeper to help cover the fullbacks if needed. Would give Coutinho more time to influence the game with his vision and he'd be central enough to get the ball and spin.
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    (Original post by Zerforax)
    Thinking about it, I'd quite like to see the following formation tried out:


    ....Firmino..Sturridge..Mane
    ................Coutinho........ ....
    .........Henderson...Can.......
    Moreno..Lovren..Matip..Clyne
    ..................Karius........ .....

    Basically a 4-3-3 so Coutinho isn't so much behind the striker but rather part of the midfield three (but as the most advanced of the trio).

    I think Firmino and Mane have the pace and stamina to play the wider roles, to drift but also track back if needed. Coutinho would need to hold central so that Henderson and Can drop wider/deeper to help cover the fullbacks if needed. Would give Coutinho more time to influence the game with his vision and he'd be central enough to get the ball and spin.
    That's a very strong line up, provided Sturridge is fit!
    I would like to see Origi and Ings get more chances.
    Also when Joe Gomez returns from injury, he could be a good option for Left Back.
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    (Original post by Glib)
    That's a very strong line up, provided Sturridge is fit!
    I would like to see Origi and Ings get more chances.
    Also when Joe Gomez returns from injury, he could be a good option for Left Back.
    Origi hasn't looked great so far this season. Not sure if he's not fit or struggling with anything. Maybe he'll be better after the international break.

    Who would you drop for Ings? I think every other player offers a little more than him in other departments.
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    (Original post by Zerforax)
    Origi hasn't looked great so far this season. Not sure if he's not fit or struggling with anything. Maybe he'll be better after the international break.

    Who would you drop for Ings? I think every other player offers a little more than him in other departments.
    It is a really tough choice and must be a headache for Jurgen.
    Depending how well Sturridge performs over the international break (if he plays) Ings could start ahead of him against Leicester?

    Cannot wait to see the main stand filling up for that game!
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    (Original post by Glib)
    It is a really tough choice and must be a headache for Jurgen.
    Depending how well Sturridge performs over the international break (if he plays) Ings could start ahead of him against Leicester?

    Cannot wait to see the main stand filling up for that game!
    Ings is like 4/th5th choice..

    Origi
    Firmino
    Sturridge
    Probably Mane before we turn to Ings..?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37224133

    Liverpool defender Mamadou Sakho has turned down moves to West Brom and Stoke City after being told he can leave on loan.

    The 26-year-old France defender is free to resume his career after a doping case against him was dismissed by Uefa.

    Sakho also was sent home from the club's pre-season tour of the USA following allegations of indiscipline.

    He has been told that he is not currently part of Liverpool's first-team plans by manager Jurgen Klopp.

    Liverpool are hopeful Sakho will find a club before Wednesday's transfer deadline as it has been made clear he will have to move to get games.
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    (Original post by Zerforax)
    Ings is like 4/th5th choice..

    Origi
    Firmino
    Sturridge
    Probably Mane before we turn to Ings..?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37224133

    Liverpool defender Mamadou Sakho has turned down moves to West Brom and Stoke City after being told he can leave on loan.

    The 26-year-old France defender is free to resume his career after a doping case against him was dismissed by Uefa.

    Sakho also was sent home from the club's pre-season tour of the USA following allegations of indiscipline.

    He has been told that he is not currently part of Liverpool's first-team plans by manager Jurgen Klopp.

    Liverpool are hopeful Sakho will find a club before Wednesday's transfer deadline as it has been made clear he will have to move to get games.
    Shame, seems like a nice guy and he was making a decent partnership with Lovren. Things could be so much different if we had him for the Europa League Final.
    Hopefully Matip and Klavan can eventually sort out our defence.
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    Apparently Sakho has to go on loan to save his career. Sunderland are interested now in loaning him after he rejected Stoke.

    Balotelli is close to a loan to Nice.
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    Anybody seen that we've apparently bid £30m for the Brazilian striker, Luan, who plays for Gremio? Seen this on the BBC rumours section, unsure if true. Seems a bit of a strange one to simply make up though.
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    (Original post by Glib)
    Shame, seems like a nice guy and he was making a decent partnership with Lovren. Things could be so much different if we had him for the Europa League Final.
    Hopefully Matip and Klavan can eventually sort out our defence.
    Yea that ban really messed him up but he's obviously pissed off Klopp somehow. Klavan is only a stop gap I feel so we're really relying on Matip and Lovren to stay fit..

    (Original post by mr tim)
    Apparently Sakho has to go on loan to save his career. Sunderland are interested now in loaning him after he rejected Stoke.

    Balotelli is close to a loan to Nice.
    If he's rejected Stoke, why would he go to Sunderland? I feel like he might stay till Xmas..
 
 
 
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