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As Petros said - if not for the username I think I'd be trying to poach you right now Although to be fair I think the consensus in our party (although we are not all Lib Dems) is that Clegg was an absolute tool
It is fact that Clegg's a tool, seemed a decent chap though.
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It is fact that Clegg's a tool, seemed a decent chap though.
Agreed there - if I had to describe him (and most of his MPs) in one word, it'd be naive rather than nasty. He genuinely thought that he was doing the right thing with the coalition, that the electorate would forgive him and recognise the Lib Dem's role in stabilising the country. In reality the coalition was not particularly liberal at all, we did stabilise but not on anything like a good timescale, and as for the electorate's response... well, the less said the better there
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Agreed there - if I had to describe him (and most of his MPs) in one word, it'd be naive rather than nasty. He genuinely thought that he was doing the right thing with the coalition, that the electorate would forgive him and recognise the Lib Dem's role in stabilising the country. In reality the coalition was not particularly liberal at all, we did stabilise but not on anything like a good timescale, and as for the electorate's response... well, the less said the better there
The electorate were silly though. "Lib-Dems too right wing!", then they keep Clegg and get rid of Kennedy R.I.P.
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The electorate were silly though. "Lib-Dems too right wing!", then they keep Clegg and get rid of Kennedy R.I.P.
Different people, to be fair - if Clegg had stood in Scotland and Kennedy in Sheffield I fully expect it would've been Kennedy who kept his seat (and much more comfortably at that).
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It is fact that Clegg's a tool, seemed a decent chap though.
I think history will be kind to Clegg, but it'll take the Lib Dems a decade or two to get anywhere near where they were

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I think history will be kind to Clegg, but it'll take the Lib Dems a decade or two to get anywhere near where they were

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I am inclined to disagree with you, even though when Major left office there was those that placed him in a negative shining and yet history has been kinder to him. The difference is that Major was a working class bloke from Brixton (like myself) and Clegg is a public school "conveyor belt" politician, overall he had very little to offer and did nil but hold the Tories back.
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Different people, to be fair - if Clegg had stood in Scotland and Kennedy in Sheffield I fully expect it would've been Kennedy who kept his seat (and much more comfortably at that).
Definitely, but it really does reflect poorly on the electorate.
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The electorate were silly though. "Lib-Dems too right wing!", then they keep Clegg and get rid of Kennedy R.I.P.
Scotland's gonna Scotland.
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Scotland's gonna Scotland.
Bloody naive commies.
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Definitely, but it really does reflect poorly on the electorate.
As Stannis said haha, it would have taken really something for any Lib Dem on the mainland to stop the SNP.

Out of interest, as a more liberal Tory what do you think of Cameron's proposal to repeal the Human Rights Act, and more generally on the EU referendum?
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Scotland's gonna Scotland.
You really have a problem with Scotland dont you.
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As Stannis said haha, it would have taken really something for any Lib Dem on the mainland to stop the SNP.

Out of interest, as a more liberal Tory what do you think of Cameron's proposal to repeal the Human Rights Act, and more generally on the EU referendum?
I believe in individual liberty and freedom so I understand the distress from people, however, I don't see why a British bill of rights, not dependent on the ECHR would be any worse. The one problem with that is that I'd like to see a referendum, and/or to know what's in the Bill of Rights before I support/reject it
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I believe in individual liberty and freedom so I understand the distress from people, however, I don't see why a British bill of rights, not dependent on the ECHR would be any worse. The one problem with that is that I'd like to see a referendum, and/or to know what's in the Bill of Rights before I support/reject it
Pretty much my opinion No problem with the principle, very much worried about why Cameron is making such an issue out of it and what exactly he plans to do.
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Pretty much my opinion No problem with the principle, very much worried about why Cameron is making such an issue out of it and what exactly he plans to do.
Well I take all policy from people not brought up in the "real world" with a pinch of salt. I can't say that I don't like Cameron, but I'd definitely feel better if it were William Hague and not Micheal Gove that was given the job.
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Well I take all policy from people not brought up in the "real world" with a pinch of salt. I can't say that I don't like Cameron, but I'd definitely feel better if it were William Hague and not Micheal Gove that was given the job.
Hague's way better, so unfortunate with the timing of his leadership.
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Hague's way better, so unfortunate with the timing of his leadership.
Indeed, they really should give him another go at it. As long as it's not that blithering idiot, bumbling about with his bloody mop head.
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Indeed, they really should give him another go at it. As long as it's not that blithering idiot, bumbling about with his bloody mop head.
LOL, between Boris and Gove there's enough bad options. Don't like May either and Osborne is just another Cameron so I guess I'm unlikely to find myself even considering voting Tory for a while.
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LOL, between Boris and Gove there's enough bad options. Don't like May either and Osborne is just another Cameron so I guess I'm unlikely to find myself even considering voting Tory for a while.
Osborne is a joke. I could never trust someone who's probably never had to even draw up a budget for himself to draw one up for the country.
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LOL, between Boris and Gove there's enough bad options. Don't like May either and Osborne is just another Cameron so I guess I'm unlikely to find myself even considering voting Tory for a while.
Also, my local MP, Jane Ellison is a lovely lady.
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Osborne is a joke. I could never trust someone who's probably never had to even draw up a budget for himself to draw one up for the country.
No idea what he's doing as Chancellor, clearly not doing any of the economics himself - just there because he's a Yes Man and very loyal to Cameron, and not too prone to media cockups (he largely seemed to stay out of it until a year or two ago).
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