World Cup 2014 Final: Germany vs Argentina

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Reply 920

Jordooooom

Pundits acting like germany steamrolled argentina :rolleyes:

Reply 921

Zerforax

Original post by KingMessi

Yes. But hopefully once this fixation subsides, people will have a measured discussion of Messi's legacy, etc.

Criticism of Messi's performance is fine and deserved, but this is just silly. Please do not pretend that your demeanour would be any different after just losing a World Cup Final.

The fact that Messi is already discussed among other GOAT in the game and he's only just turned 27 (a few weeks ago) should tell you everything you need to know.

He'll stay at the top of the game for another 5 years at least imo. Too much of a professional to fall down as quick as Ronaldinho.

Reply 922

pane123

Original post by Jordooooom

Yeah he was pretty average. But the other top class players, aguero, higuain and di maria who have all been really poor are getting let off a lot more lightly

Exactly. If Messi is taking 4 or 5 players out the game, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect the players you named to do something with the ball. Aguero was clearly injured, but Higuain and Di Maria should be ashamed of themselves.

Reply 923

KingMessi

Original post by Zerforax

So you'd disagree that he has problems with his physique?

You know what, I'm just going to try and avoid any predictions for another year. I suspect that his reign is over, and the hamstring injuries, or problem of having achieved literally everything but a World Cup already, or something else, have halted him. But he has a month off now before things resume - and hopefully he'll be tearing defences apart in six weeks time again.

Reply 924

getjob5

World cups been **** woo

Reply 925

Last Day Lepers

**** off alan hansen.

Reply 926

drowzee

The best team won tbh. The German players are going to do some great things, a lot of them are still young. Neuer was awesome. Argentina lost it after the first half. I don't think Messi needs to win a WC to be considered one of the GOATs. His stats are insane. Is it weird I find him find him extremely attractive?

Reply 927

pane123

Original post by manchesterunited15

Lol at people acting like messi being best player is ridiculous. Yes he probably wasn't but he carried them to the semis.

It's hard to see how Argentina would have scored a single goal without Messi on the pitch.

Reply 928

Mr Smurf

Original post by TheInvincibles14

Poldi is such a joker, played hardly any mins at this tournament and he's right next to Lahm with a hand on the trophy as if he scored the winning goal.

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Its more of a shame that Draxler is getting a medal. Has he even played a minute?

Reply 929

vickidc18

**** yessssssssssssss just won £150 yayyyyyyyyyyyy thanks Germany!!!

Reply 930

TheInvincibles14

Original post by pane123

I don't think we will see Messi reach the same level as he did in that Champs League final in 2011, but I think people are being a bit harsh on him. There were several times in that game - as there are in almost every game in which he plays - that Messi was surrounded by 4 or 5 German players and managed to take them all out the game, either by skipping by them or passing it.

It will be interesting to see him with Suarez and Neymar next season, as teams deploying the "everyone mark Messi" tactic, should get picked off with relative ease. Obviously I'm speculating, but it will certainly be interesting to see.

Messi will be fine for Barca as their attack isn't completely reliant on him, he can share the load with Neymar and Suarez. The problem for Argentina was that Aguero and Higuain didn't turn up, alongside Di Maria unfortunately being injured. Will be difficult for Messi to win a World Cup considering he'd theoretically be past his peak in Russia, but a Copa America or two is certainly a possibility.

I think criticising Messi's physique is fair, he isn't as rapid or light on his feet as he was in say 2011, he's 27 so he should be in pretty good shape still, I think what's more concerning for Leo is that he's been playing at the top level for 10 years now, which consists of 55 games each season. It'll be difficult for him to reach the level of a few years ago, but then again he doesn't need to, especially for Barca.

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Reply 931

stefl14

Messi probably doesn't deserve player of the tournament but he has certainly been in the top 5 so it's not that bad. I am annoyed that Argentina didn't win purely because it will tarnish Messi's legacy in the eyes of so many people. The world cup argument infuriates me though. It implies that players can't be in the upper echelon of greats if they are from a lesser footballing nation. If Gotze didn't score that goal and Argentina won on penalties then Messi would somehow be considered much greater which is frankly ridiculous. Messi's club level achievements are far superior to both Pele's and Maradona's, in trophies as well as performance level. Why doesn't that count for anything? A player perhaps gets 2 shots at a world cup when they are anywhere near their prime and must have a host of top players with them to even have a slight chance of winning. I honestly don't know what pundits are thinking when they place so much importance on the world cup. As people have already said, if Messi decided to play for Spain he'd have a WC. This clearly makes the world cup reasoning stupid.

Reply 932

missfats

Original post by vickidc18

**** yessssssssssssss just won £150 yayyyyyyyyyyyy thanks Germany!!!

lost 500.

you lucky women. :frown:

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Reply 933

manchesterunited15

Ffs Germany are gonna win the next one as well

Reply 934

missfats

Original post by manchesterunited15

Ffs Germany are gonna win the next one as well

we will be old then.
I can't wait 4 bloody years.

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well this was fun

Original post by TheInvincibles14

I agree with all of this. However, I don't think we should be able to criticise his physique, simply because he shouldn't be allowing it to fall below a top standard.

Despite his shape, my point about him drawing a huge number of player out to him remains valid, and this should be extremely dangerous when he has players like Suarez in front of him.