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    (Original post by Zürich)
    Not sure Cavani really meets that description
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    (Original post by Depleted)
    Cavani has scored 6 in 10 in the CL this year and his record stands at 29 in 45 in Europe, with 19 in 25 for Napoli where he was the main striker (and playing for an inferior side). Compare that to Giroud who's scored 7 in 21 in Europe, playing for a side who with respect get knocked out at R16 every year, playing European fodder. It's a pretty appalling record for a top 4 striker.

    I can't stress enough how Cavani is 3 or 4 levels above Giroud, but if you don't want to accept that it's fine.
    Fair points. I would take Cavani at Arsenal, but only at a good price. We aren't in that situation where we despirately need goals because we get them from a lot of positions. So we don't really need to spend huge.

    My point was with the system Arsenal play right now, it would make much more sense to invest in a 23 year whos stats this season have been equal to, if not better than a 28 year old - a 28 year old who would cost us a fortune.
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    (Original post by Pimped Butterfly)
    Certainly capable of them but obviously not often enough, else PSG wouldnt be shifting him.

    Strikers decline all the time. Chelsea thought they were getting the Torres of 2009 and Utd hoped they'd get Falcao 2012. Think Arsenal might get mugged off hoping Cavani is still the player he once was.
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    (Original post by Pimped Butterfly)
    Cavani is easily more 'physical' than Giroud
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    (Original post by Zürich)
    Chelsea with Drogba or Utd with RVN
    Drogba wasn't one dimensional, fair play with Ruud but we always had other goalscoring strikers around and (maybe a little of a cop-out answer) but the game has developed

    (Original post by Zürich)
    We're not lacking movement any more with Sanchez.

    What we lack is a striker who makes something from nothing. With Giroud it's all very formulaic, he'll get you goals if you play the ball to him in the right situation but he's obviously not going to do a Suarez or Aguero and skin 2 or 3 men or just curl one into the narrow gap at the far post. Giroud doesnt create his own chances basically or score half chances

    Not sure Cavani really meets that description
    Cavani is a predator ffs, guy makes defenders **** themselves anywhere within 25 yards.

    To say he can't create his own goals or skin men is plain wrong. He can run channels, drift wide, hold the ball up and finish (crucial). Guy plays on the wing, why would he if he was incompetent everywhere bar the penalty area?
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    man like Depleted acting like he watches PSG more than the two legs of their CL quarter final every season
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    (Original post by Zürich)
    Certainly capable of them but obviously not often enough, else PSG wouldnt be shifting him.

    Strikers decline all the time. Chelsea thought they were getting the Torres of 2009 and Utd hoped they'd get Falcao 2012. Think Arsenal might get mugged off hoping Cavani is still the player he once was.
    I don't think PSG are shifting him. Zlatan is declining, he'll become the main man and he'll thrive once that shadow is no longer over him.

    I don't really know if he's the right player for Arsenal, but you're wrongly playing down his qualities. He can do everything Giroud can do (this idea that he can't huff and puff is completely wrong btw, he's the embodiment of a team player, like most Uruguayans are), is not bad playing off a main striker, and is excellent when you build a team around him (as Napoli did, and saw him score record amounts of goals). He's a complete monster of a player, and scoring better off the wings than Reus, Bale and most vaunted wide forwards are. He'd be a definite upgrade on Giroud, doing everything Giroud does but better. Enough to win you the title? Maybe, idk, not sure if I want to go into statements like that. Financially doesn't make sense either I guess.
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    (Original post by difeo)
    man like Depleted acting like he watches PSG more than the two legs of their CL quarter final every season
    There was a thread a while back where I was bumming Cavani hard, think he's just regurgitating my words from there
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    (Original post by al_94)
    He scored in big games against Chelsea & Marseille
    Didn't see the Marseille game, but Cavani missed three or four chances against us in the first leg, missed an open goal, albeit a tight angle in the second leg; and squandered two brilliant chances in the second leg last year. If he'd scored one of them then we'd have needed 3 just to go to extra time and almost certainly would be out. He's a bottler tbh.
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    (Original post by Zürich)
    Certainly capable of them but obviously not often enough, else PSG wouldnt be shifting him.

    Strikers decline all the time. Chelsea thought they were getting the Torres of 2009 and Utd hoped they'd get Falcao 2012. Think Arsenal might get mugged off hoping Cavani is still the player he once was.
    Cavani hasn't had a bad or recurring injury like Falcao had with his ACL, or Torres his knees, Cavani hasn't had either. Bare in mind the league he dominated is arguably the weakest of the elite tier in Europe, where players like Cuadrado and Salah have been standout's, and it's possible to conclude that Cavani isn't actually that good.
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    PSG would want £40m+ for Cavani, that's not worth it. Lacazette would probably be around £32m, we should go after him with everything we have got. Wenger needs to send a delegation of Sanogo, Giroud, Debuchy, Koscielny, Flamini, Diaby, and Coquelin over.
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    (Original post by The Shed End)
    Cavani hasn't had a bad or recurring injury like Falcao had with his ACL, or Torres his knees, Cavani hasn't had either. Bare in mind the league he dominated is arguably the weakest of the elite tier in Europe, where players like Cuadrado and Salah have been standout's, and it's possible to conclude that Cavani isn't actually that good.
    Not to mention Luca Toni, a literal ent who still manages to be one of the top scorers every single year.
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    (Original post by The Shed End)
    Cavani hasn't had a bad or recurring injury like Falcao had with his ACL, or Torres his knees, Cavani hasn't had either. Bare in mind the league he dominated is arguably the weakest of the elite tier in Europe, where players like Cuadrado and Salah have been standout's, and it's possible to conclude that Cavani isn't actually that good.
    That's another worry. Players who stand out in Serie A never seem to do well in England really. Even Balotelli was beasting it last season for a time
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    (Original post by The Shed End)
    Cavani hasn't had a bad or recurring injury like Falcao had with his ACL, or Torres his knees, Cavani hasn't had either. Bare in mind the league he dominated is arguably the weakest of the elite tier in Europe, where players like Cuadrado and Salah have been standout's, and it's possible to conclude that Cavani isn't actually that good.
    This is probably the most fair argument, considering Gervinho too is a standout there.
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    He'll cost over £40mill+ and his performances at the top level do not justify that price tag. Not to mention his age. If he paid off then it could be a quality transfer but are you willing to take the risk?
    Would like to see how he plays in the PL though.
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    (Original post by Arkasia)
    PSG would want £40m+ for Cavani, that's not worth it. Lacazette would probably be around £32m, we should go after him with everything we have got. Wenger needs to send a delegation of Sanogo, Giroud, Debuchy, Koscielny, Flamini, Diaby, and Coquelin over.
    Yer we can book a return ticket from Kings Cross on the Eurostar, Flamini can take the one over and resume his career as a disagreeable Parisian waiter while Lacazette can take the ticket back.

    Tbf Arsenal do have an inherent advantage with French footballers because of Wenger. French people have told me the club has a certain charisma over there.
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    (Original post by AliRizzo)
    This is probably the most fair argument, considering Gervinho too is a standout there.
    Acquillani, Shevchenko, Balotelli, Veron, Lamela, Rossi etc etc. Not long ago Flamini was at the heart of a title winning AC Milan side FFS

    Italians are up there with Brazilians in terms of hype signings
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    (Original post by The Shed End)
    Cavani hasn't had a bad or recurring injury like Falcao had with his ACL, or Torres his knees, Cavani hasn't had either. Bare in mind the league he dominated is arguably the weakest of the elite tier in Europe, where players like Cuadrado and Salah have been standout's, and it's possible to conclude that Cavani isn't actually that good.
    You're forgetting that the Italian league is probably the hardest to score in. And no it isn't the weakest elite tier considering the champions are one game away from the CL final, baffling argument. Roma/Lazio/Napoli would challenge for top 4 here too.
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    (Original post by Arkasia)
    PSG would want £40m+ for Cavani, that's not worth it. Lacazette would probably be around £32m, we should go after him with everything we have got. Wenger needs to send a delegation of Sanogo, Giroud, Debuchy, Koscielny, Flamini, Diaby, and Coquelin over.
    Lazcazette could be a one season wonder there's nothing special about him.
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    (Original post by Depleted)
    You're forgetting that the Italian league is probably the hardest to score in. And no it isn't the weakest elite tier considering the champions are one game away from the CL final, baffling argument. Roma/Lazio/Napoli would challenge for top 4 here too.
    This is not a logical arguement, Juventus are clearly a different class to the rest of Serie A.

    Also to say that the Italian League is the hardest to score implies that opposition defenders are somehow better when in fact its more likely that both teams just play more tactically and conservatively. Once you get into the box, attacking play is the same everywhere and goalscoring depends on the quality of CBs mainly. And some strikers find Italy easier, it's debatable whether Zlatan would take to the pace of the PL for instance. The likes of Shevchenko certainly didnt

    And none of those 3 would come close to challenging for the top4 here. In fact Lazio would probably struggle for a top10 finish.
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    (Original post by Zürich)
    This is not a logical arguement, Juventus are clearly a different class to the rest of Serie A.

    Also to say that the Italian League is the hardest to score implies that opposition defenders are somehow better when in fact its more likely that both teams just play more tactically and conservatively. Once you get into the box, attacking play is the same everywhere and goalscoring depends on the quality of CBs mainly.

    And none of those 3 would come close to challenging for the top4 here. In fact Lazio would probably struggle for a top10 finish.
    It's the same thing. Teams are more conservative, so strikers get less chances to score, so regardless of whether the CB's are of a higher level or not law of average dictates that they have fewer goal scoring opportunities than PL strikers.

    Juve are a different class but so are Real/Barça (relatively speaking, Atléti are up there and maybe Valencia) because they are great teams, it doesn't make the PL a better standard because our top clubs are ****. Would teams like Sociedad, Sevilla not beat Everton/Spurs? So a runaway leader isn't representative of the quality of the league majority of the time (bar **** leagues like the SPL ffs).
 
 
 
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