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(Original post by James Milibanter)
Well, yes I agree that they're not the same, but there just isn't enough of a difference between them at the moment to make it worthwhile for some people to vote for them, hence why the greens and UKIP have been gaining support. The USA does fine with 2 party politics because the both of them are significantly ideologically opposed
but voter apathy exists when the two main parties are different too.

And I don't understand why people want greater difference. Political discourse has rightly moved on fom socialism vs capitalism. Wanting to go back to that is like wanting to undiscovered modern scientific discoveries. I mean, we've empirically discovered that centre left and centre right politics tends to be the most economically favourable. Why do we want to undiscover that?
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So what was the thread giving attention to a certain individual about? I was quoted twice this night but it's already gone.
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(Original post by Life_peer)
So what was the thread giving attention to a certain individual about? I was quoted twice this night but it's already gone.
I'm intrigued now... was it a MHoC post?
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(Original post by mobbsy91)
I'm intrigued now... was it a MHoC post?
I can' tell but most probably yes. It was called *** vs The World Round Two. I hate ego trips.
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(Original post by Life_peer)
I can' tell but most probably yes. It was called *** vs The World Round Two. I hate ego trips.
Hahaha, no doubt because after the original thread was locked, I guess people still had more to say on the matter
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(Original post by mobbsy91)
Hahaha, no doubt because after the original thread was locked, I guess people still had more to say on the matter
Everyone should remember this simple rule: Don't feed the troll.
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(Original post by Life_peer)
Everyone should remember this simple rule: Don't feed the troll.
Apparently they've forgotten...
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(Original post by James Milibanter)
Well, yes I agree that they're not the same, but there just isn't enough of a difference between them at the moment to make it worthwhile for some people to vote for them, hence why the greens and UKIP have been gaining support. The USA does fine with 2 party politics because the both of them are significantly ideologically opposed
The US has even lower election turnouts than we do. The difference is that the party supporters do seem more engaged though.
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(Original post by Rakas21)
The US has even lower election turnouts than we do. The difference is that the party supporters do seem more engaged though.
I think what James is trying to say, is that our own 2 party system is failing at the moment because of the similarities between Labour and the Conservatives. No matter what leader Labour go with though, they're sill doomed. Ironically Conservatism is the way forward.
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(Original post by Tory101)
I think what James is trying to say, is that our own 2 party system is failing at the moment because of the similarities between Labour and the Conservatives. No matter what leader Labour go with though, they're sill doomed. Ironically Conservatism is the way forward.
I don't think it's even the similarities between the two. Both parties have stagnated - labour chase after blair mk II, the tories have settled into a thatcherite hole. It's partially why ukip did so well at the last election (in terms of vote share) - they shook it up, farage wasn't just another ppe graduate slicked up and put in a suit, and ukip weren't just copying the same mindless platitudes - that's where corbyn comes in for labour. It's unlikely they'll win in 2020 whoever they go for, but he represents fresh life for labour, shaking them up and getting them out of this rut they're in.

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(Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
I don't think it's even the similarities between the two. Both parties have stagnated - labour chase after blair mk II, the tories have settled into a thatcherite hole. It's partially why ukip did so well at the last election (in terms of vote share) - they shook it up, farage wasn't just another ppe graduate slicked up and put in a suit, and ukip weren't just copying the same mindless platitudes - that's where corbyn comes in for labour. It's unlikely they'll win in 2020 whoever they go for, but he represents fresh life for labour, shaking them up and getting them out of this rut they're in.

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No-one who voted Tory will be attracted by a hard left Labour Party - the party that occupies the centre ground usually wins, and this is currently the Tories.
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On a lighter note, how many cards are in a normal pack of top trumps? I was just thinking I might make a set for MHOC MP's over the course of the term just for fun of course. And then charge £1.19 a pack... I'll make a killing
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On a lighter note, how many cards are in a normal pack of top trumps? I was just thinking I might make a set for MHOC MP's over the course of the term just for fun of course. And then charge £1.19 a pack... I'll make a killing
30 sounds familiar?

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On a lighter note, how many cards are in a normal pack of top trumps? I was just thinking I might make a set for MHOC MP's over the course of the term just for fun of course. And then charge £1.19 a pack... I'll make a killing
Yeah I'm quite sure it's thirty.
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(Original post by thehistorybore)
Yeah I'm quite sure it's thirty.
but there will likely be 60 of us:sigh:
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but there will likely be 60 of us:sigh:
One could always do the most active members?
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(Original post by thehistorybore)
One could always do the most active members?
or just make a massive deck
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(Original post by Aph)
or just make a massive deck
Imagine how long the game would be though...
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(Original post by thehistorybore)
Imagine how long the game would be though...
Top trumps can go on forever though.
Imagine how many people would be upset at not being included...
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(Original post by Aph)
Top trumps can go on forever though.
Imagine how many people would be upset at not being included...
That is quite true. Make a massive deck or not at all!
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