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I'll do it.


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LVG is such a mong these stories that are coming out are so embarrassing
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(Original post by Fizzel)
He was surplus to requirements, you have no idea as to his status with a new manager coming in. Being surplus under Pep does't mean he's not going to be central under Carlo.

The two Mourinho camps are both taking it too far, he's not going to change who he is but then the caricature that is being painted is extreme. I think this last spell at Chelsea is being to heavily used. Many of those narratives being levelled a his Chelsea side as being part of his style of football are clearly now deeper than just Jose's mark on the team. In many ways a parallel to Moyes' United, the question is not so much about the team its how the team was able to fool everyone so convincingly the previous season.
Well it wasn't that weak of a team, the issues are our fullback situation(which was exacerbated by selling Filipe Luis but can easily be solved by using Azpilicueta at RB) , the lack of a box to box midfielder(which prevents us from playing freeflowing attacking football) and I guess a lack of a Diego Costa replacement who can also play alongside him. The team however was underperforming due to poor individual performances and as you can see from Dortmund, one or two tactical tweaks and avoiding any key departures can get the team back to the previous level.

I think he'll be a much better position at United than he was at either Chelsea or Real, as we have a very weak board and a distant ownership. He won't be facing the internal issues like he did with Grant or Valdano. There simply isn't anyone active enough with enough power at United to do that, other than the class of 92' and their influence is mainly external via the media. Within the team, he really only has an issue with Rooney potentially, but even then Rooney isn't what he once was. DDG for example is a Mendes client so I'd think that will be private as far as any issues go. No one else at United carries the clout to ignite a Casillas type war. The real issue with Jose's time at the club will be with regard to the media (Manchester derby and Jose/Pep is journalism gold) and potentially Woodward but that will come so time down the line possibly transfer related, with United not having the draw we once did if we cannot match the squad City assemble.

While I think its foolish to expect a free flowing attacking style under Jose I think his time as Madrid and his record there mean he's not Pulis either. The defence will come first but once he can balance attack and defence as he would like, we could see some counter attacking football which United fans will love. Team is obviously going to need an overhaul but without the budgetary restrictions he had at Chelsea, I think its clear that could very easily be achieved in 1-2 windows. LVG has already given the youth a run so I think Jose will be clear as to whether he sticks with them or not, no need to hope he gives them games to prove themselves. Of the established youth players, I would think only Lingard is a surefire casualty. Shaw will be fine, Depay could go either way, Martial will be fine, and Rashford I think will slip to second choice but he'll stick around. Will be interested to see the fate of many of our midfielders would think Morgan is the only one who is safe under Jose.
Yeah Mourinho will have less internal issues which I guess could affect him(like there is a lot of pressure at Madrid and Chelsea in that regard) while he also found a way to play good football(although I guess that's dependent on the players he has and the board). You can see that in the first half of 14/15 José was able to play attacking football but his lack of rotation/faith in the backup players meant that he was unable to play that football for the entire season.

John Terry is another issue in the squad as well, you can't really play a high line which affects our ability to play more free flowing football and the lack of a box to box player also affects our ability to transition defence to attack and vice versa.

I reckon he could get Schweinsteiger working well. I think Mata is going to go and you'll likely be using Depay/another winger and Martial.

I also wonder Rooney's future but I reckon he'll still play.

One thing I disagree with is that there draws parallels to Moyes United, if anything it draws parallels to Dortmund. The season was over so quickly, our star player wasn't even fit for half the season and the managers were playing nonsense tactics that involved using a snail midfield expecting that to protect the already snail defence and making our striker run the channel on the left wing instead of playing where a striker is supposed to play. Hopefully the new manager stops the pass to Hazard tactic and our creative players actually step up to be game winners.
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rooney should leave
but mou will keep him due bobby's influence and being an England captain
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(Original post by Lúcio)
He's surplus to requirements at Bayern and worked closely with Klopp at Dortmund.

I am by no means saying he'll come to Liverpool, but he's our top target and there are many reasons why he would. I guess we'll see.
true but hopefully not to liverpool anywhere by loserpool
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He will be doing a lot of this though

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true but hopefully not to liverpool anywhere by loserpool
It would make things interesting really.

Sturridge playing ahead of a trident of Coutinho, Götze and Firmino? That would rival some of the best attacking set-ups in the league.
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Greatest rumour I've ever seen there in the Express.

Ibrahimovic to come in as "assistant manager" to Jose. Hilarious
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Greatest rumour I've ever seen there in the Express.

Ibrahimovic to come in as "assistant manager" to Jose. Hilarious
Zlatan will not play for United, United will play for Zlatan.
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(Original post by Lúcio)
It would make things interesting really.

Sturridge playing ahead of a trident of Coutinho, Götze and Firmino? That would rival some of the best attacking set-ups in the league.
Dat pace on the wings ffs.

Coutinho will be dropped for Gotze and you'll play with two strikers.
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Dat pace on the wings ffs.

Coutinho will be dropped for Gotze and you'll play with two strikers.
Yh we have no pace and width going forward, Gotze isn't going to solve our problems, he'll mask them at best really. Klopp doesn't usually play with 2 strikers unless we are desperate for a goal.
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(Original post by bammy jastard 27)
Dat pace on the wings ffs.

Coutinho will be dropped for Gotze and you'll play with two strikers.
Meh, if Klopp perseveres with Moreno, we have attacking fullbacks that do lend to it a little.

You don't always need pace if you have intricate and fluid play, however I certainly agree it would help.

I think having the option to play Origi over Firmino/Coutinho would be really helpful for us. We have the players and the ability to change tactics, I'm not worried.
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Well its official Van Gaal has been sacked.
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Thank the lord
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Sacking is justified but deserves better than a media onslaught since he won an FA Cup.
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Worth noting Pep did not bring through a single youth player at Bayern. So get off Mourinho's **** now.
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Sacking is clearly justified. Exact same standards by which he got the job, and the media are going to be all over it because it was known lack of top 4 would be the end. Glad he got his trophy but no way the club could justify giving him more time.

It was that December run that killed this season. That was the difference between 5th and 2nd even as an average return.


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Worth noting Pep did not bring through a single youth player at Bayern. So get off Mourinho's **** now.
Yea but he brought some through at Barcelona whereas Mourinho never has and for an even longer period.

ps. what went wrong for LVGOAT?
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