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    (Original post by Zerforax)
    No I don't think so. I can't see Rodgers changing the current set up which seems to cover our defensive weaknesses but also gets the best out of Sterling/Coutinho. Our form of 16/18 points in the last 6 games and great performances against Chelsea in the league cup shows little need to change.

    There's no need to change our entire system to accommodate Balotelli either. Don't forget that Lallana and Markovic cost more than Balotelli so why not have a set up which suits them?



    Didn't his agent say he'd only leave for £80mil
    It's tough because he's running out of clubs to go to. Is there anyone else in Italy or England who will take him? We might struggle to sell him unless he scores a couple of wonder goals.
    Don't you think Balotelli has a better potential worth though. Liverpool is only a business, after all. Someone of Balotelli's "pedigree" ie. World Cup striker, Champions League and Premier League winner, could be worth £50-60m if he gets in to form.
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    (Original post by jam277)
    Sturridge, Sterling, Jackson Martinez, Origi, Balotelli, Ibe strike force for next season bros.

    Can't wait.
    Combined they're almost as black as Sakho himself



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    (Original post by The_Mighty_Bush)
    Balotelli's not bad in the game actually. Lacazette, Bacca and Volland are all great though.

    My favourite is Berardi though. Pacy, creative, good dribbler. Him and Depay on the wings with my Everton team was just delightful to watch.
    Never played FM, never seen Volland play but have seen bits of the others.
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    (Original post by KFC Buffet)
    His current form: Lille are ****ing ****e and their fans are horrible towards him. Plus he's already got his move so it's not like he's going to give as much of a ****.

    If he had come here: he'd have started above Borini, Lambert and Balotelli, so he wouldn't be sitting on the bench all game every game, he'd always be first sub too given the need to take Sturridge off and wrap him in a few miles squared of cotton wool. Plus him playing when Sturridge is injured means that Sterling is still in his natural position. Perfect 6 months to get him used to PL football in time for next year.

    At the least
    -Origi gets taken out of the hellhole that Lille is for him right now (abusive fans and a ****e team)
    -gets used to life in England/the PL
    -trains with Steven Gerrard for 6 months
    -gets used to LFC and Rodgers and our style of training and play,
    -AND gives us a better option than all but one of our current strikers (the most injury prone one).

    At best, he hits the ground running like Rodgers' players have before, and he helps fire us into top four and our outlay of £3m is multiplied by 10 or 15 in return.
    Imo, these three points are more important currently (you raise valid points, of course, but it's a tough one):

    - we are saving the money
    - we are keeping the current squad settled, allowing Lambert/Borini/Balotelli more chances (they are all paid wages and cost money, after all) and allow them to bed into the club still
    - we let Origi recover form from last year before the summer

    A move for him recalling him would harm the club's reputation and reek of desperation.

    Origi's father said his lack of form was down to a busy summer with Belgium at the World Cup and possible fatigue, so I'd have been tempted to let him finish the season rather than rushing things - which we have done in the past to our detriment.
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    (Original post by KFC Buffet)
    Combined they're almost as black as Sakho himself



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    Hear Sakho is the reason why night occurs.
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    (Original post by Mackay)
    Imo, these three points are more important currently (you raise valid points, of course, but it's a tough one):

    - we are saving the money
    - we are keeping the current squad settled, allowing Lambert/Borini/Balotelli more chances (they are all paid wages and cost money, after all) and allow them to bed into the club still
    - we let Origi recover form from last year before the summer

    A move for him recalling him would harm the club's reputation and reek of desperation.

    Origi's father said his lack of form was down to a busy summer with Belgium at the World Cup and possible fatigue, so I'd have been tempted to let him finish the season rather than rushing things - which we have done in the past to our detriment.
    -£3m, which is peanuts. Especially when the return is £30-45m+
    -The current set of strikers who have completely and utterly failed and embarrassed this football club, having scored one goal between them until mid January
    -Is he going to recover form at a hostile and dismal environment at Lille where he's required to play 90 every week, or in a fantastic, upbeat footballing school like hours?

    Well if fatigue is an issue, he'd be getting less minutes here than he would over there.
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    (Original post by Mackay)
    Gerrard's 700th appearance if he plays tomorrow.
    He'll pass the 700th game mark at some point. I just wonder if Rodgers will feel obliged to play Gerrard against Everton for the full 90 mins since it will be his last Merseyside derby.

    (Original post by KFC Buffet)
    His current form: Lille are ****ing ****e and their fans are horrible towards him. Plus he's already got his move so it's not like he's going to give as much of a ****. And he's been misused by the manager, but don't quote me on the last bit.

    If he had come here: he'd have started above Borini, Lambert and Balotelli, so he wouldn't be sitting on the bench all game every game, he'd always be first sub too given the need to take Sturridge off and wrap him in a few miles squared of cotton wool. Plus him playing when Sturridge is injured means that Sterling is still in his natural position. Perfect 6 months to get him used to PL football in time for next year.

    What he'd offer us: at the very minimum, he'd offer what Sterling has so far. Direct running, stretching the defence, good movement taking defenders away from our two AMs. However, under Rodgers' tutelage and in a much better team, it's very possible that he could have made a massive instant impact like Sturridge or Coutinho before him.

    Fine, it seems silly to pay an extra £3m to bring back a player you already own. But it's silly to not do it if you're relying on Sterling as your only non-injury prone, and semi-decent striker.

    At the least
    -Origi gets taken out of the hellhole that Lille is for him right now (abusive fans and a ****e team)
    -gets used to life in England/the PL
    -trains with Steven Gerrard for 6 months
    -gets used to LFC and Rodgers and our style of training and play,
    -AND gives us a better option than all but one of our current strikers (the most injury prone one).

    At best, he hits the ground running like Rodgers' players have before, and he helps fire us into top four and our outlay of £3m is multiplied by 10 or 15 in return.
    Does seem bizarre considering how badly Lille are doing at the moment (out of the Europa League and 13th in Ligue 1).

    However Lille were never willing to play ball. You've assumed £3mil would be enough but other news reports have Lille director Jean-Michel Vandamme as having said it would cost at least 6mil euros (£4.7mil at the time) to consider it.

    - He's still getting regular game time at Lille: already played close to 1300 mins in the league and in total across all competitions over 2000 mins which is probably more than Balotelli/Borini/Lambert combined so far this season. At his age, more game time is the most useful.
    - He'll join us in June so he'll have a full pre-season to adjust anyway

    If Sturridge stays fit then we've played 6mil euros for a player who will get maybe 300-600 minutes?

    (Original post by Dprince)
    Don't you think Balotelli has a better potential worth though. Liverpool is only a business, after all. Someone of Balotelli's "pedigree" ie. World Cup striker, Champions League and Premier League winner, could be worth £50-60m if he gets in to form.
    Point is that he isn't getting to form. Tbh we don't have a great record of players getting back into form at Liverpool. I can't think of a player who's come in with a "dip in form" and then come back stronger.

    If anything, Balotelli is running out of clubs who are willing to pay a big transfer fee and big wages to.
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    (Original post by Zerforax)
    Does seem bizarre considering how badly Lille are doing at the moment (out of the Europa League and 13th in Ligue 1).

    However Lille were never willing to play ball. You've assumed £3mil would be enough but other news reports have Lille director Jean-Michel Vandamme as having said it would cost at least 6mil euros (£4.7mil at the time) to consider it.

    - He's still getting regular game time at Lille: already played close to 1300 mins in the league and in total across all competitions over 2000 mins which is probably more than Balotelli/Borini/Lambert combined so far this season. At his age, more game time is the most useful.
    - He'll join us in June so he'll have a full pre-season to adjust anyway

    If Sturridge stays fit then we've played 6mil euros for a player who will get maybe 300-600 minutes?
    That 6 months of extra adjustment time can make all the difference. Look at Markovic August>December (who had a full pre-season) vs Markovic December>now. It's worth the money.

    Regular game time that isn't doing his development any good really. **** team and hostile fans, can't be much better than stagnation (which at his age, is completely negative).

    And I disagree with 'game time is the most useful' at his age. It's a point of contention between youth football followers, it's the reason why Borrell left and Inglethorpe took charge of our youth, but as we've seen from Flanagan and Sterling, you can make the development on the training ground. I'm not sure the game time Origi is getting right now is beneficial to him at all.

    'If Sturridge stays fit', I've already laid down the worst case scenario for you. It's not a waste of money at all. Overpriced but meh, better to gamble and having come off overpaid slightly, than to not gamble and to regret it in the future when Sturridge gets injured and we flounder to fifth.
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    KFC Buffet is right. Origi probably was worth a try. Kane prior to this season had 2 goals in 13 apperances for Leicester City in the championship. A meteoric rise like that is more than possible.
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    There was no right or wrong answer with Origi, there were benefits and cons to both keeping him at Lille and recalling him. It isn't black and white, and it largely comes down to the club's opinion. They felt he needed to stay in Lille.
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    (Original post by Mackay)
    There was no right or wrong answer with Origi, there were benefits and cons to both keeping him at Lille and recalling him. It isn't black and white, and it largely comes down to the club's opinion. They felt he needed to stay in Lille.
    You are right there are benefits and cons but imo the benefits outweigh the cons here, no point bringing up the the club's opinion on transfers as it's been a farce so far, you just need to look last summers transfer window and the ones before that...
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    (Original post by KFC Buffet)
    That 6 months of extra adjustment time can make all the difference. Look at Markovic August>December (who had a full pre-season) vs Markovic December>now. It's worth the money.

    Regular game time that isn't doing his development any good really. **** team and hostile fans, can't be much better than stagnation (which at his age, is completely negative).

    And I disagree with 'game time is the most useful' at his age. It's a point of contention between youth football followers, it's the reason why Borrell left and Inglethorpe took charge of our youth, but as we've seen from Flanagan and Sterling, you can make the development on the training ground. I'm not sure the game time Origi is getting right now is beneficial to him at all.

    'If Sturridge stays fit', I've already laid down the worst case scenario for you. It's not a waste of money at all. Overpriced but meh, better to gamble and having come off overpaid slightly, than to not gamble and to regret it in the future when Sturridge gets injured and we flounder to fifth.
    So now we should have paid 6mil euros so he had more time to adjust rather than making an immediate impact?

    What's the evidence that the regular game time now isn't helping his long term development? He's likely to go through a rough patch at Liverpool in the future and people regularly talk about how positive it's turned out for Henderson and Lucas to go through a period of poor performance and hostile fans to come out much stronger at the other end?

    To be fair Flanagan and Sterling have had a lot of game time as youngsters. They may have sat out for periods but their minutes played are high for their age.

    But equally I've pointed out the worst case scenario in bringing Origi back (no game time, no impact on how we perform etc) at a cost. With the FFP rules, wouldn't you be more furious if we miss out on our top target for the sake of 6mil euros?

    The club obviously felt that there wasn't too much between Origi and Ibe (both are 19 and have a similar style of play) but on a cost/benefit analysis it made more sense to recall Ibe (as we had the right to) over Origi (we could only if Lille agreed).

    Anyway it's all a little pointless now since that ship has sailed.
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    (Original post by Zerforax)
    So now we should have paid 6mil euros so he had more time to adjust rather than making an immediate impact?

    What's the evidence that the regular game time now isn't helping his long term development? He's likely to go through a rough patch at Liverpool in the future and people regularly talk about how positive it's turned out for Henderson and Lucas to go through a period of poor performance and hostile fans to come out much stronger at the other end?

    To be fair Flanagan and Sterling have had a lot of game time as youngsters. They may have sat out for periods but their minutes played are high for their age.

    But equally I've pointed out the worst case scenario in bringing Origi back (no game time, no impact on how we perform etc) at a cost. With the FFP rules, wouldn't you be more furious if we miss out on our top target for the sake of 6mil euros?

    The club obviously felt that there wasn't too much between Origi and Ibe (both are 19 and have a similar style of play) but on a cost/benefit analysis it made more sense to recall Ibe (as we had the right to) over Origi (we could only if Lille agreed).

    Anyway it's all a little pointless now since that ship has sailed.
    The evidence is that he's scored no goals since October and that Lille are awful and not playing the style of football that he should be playing.

    Flanagan and Sterling both came into the team after a long period of time where they no doubt improved in training.

    I pointed out the worst case scenario on the last page and I don't think £4m is really enough to impact us.

    The difference is that Ibe is not a striker and never will be one, whereas Origi is a striker and could have served that purpose for us right now.

    The ship has sailed but the ripples it created are still reaching the coast. Not bringing Origi back could be a tsunami on our top four hopes/
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    (Original post by Zerforax)

    Point is that he isn't getting to form. Tbh we don't have a great record of players getting back into form at Liverpool. I can't think of a player who's come in with a "dip in form" and then come back stronger.

    If anything, Balotelli is running out of clubs who are willing to pay a big transfer fee and big wages to.
    Coutinho wasn't playing well at Inter when we brought him, Sturridge wasn't playing well at Chelsea. Aside from that the argument is that players who aren't in form aren't likely to be brought. Could you name any from United who were brought when they weren't in form, or Chelsea, Arsenal, City?
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    (Original post by Dprince)
    Coutinho wasn't playing well at Inter when we brought him, Sturridge wasn't playing well at Chelsea. Aside from that the argument is that players who aren't in form aren't likely to be brought. Could you name any from United who were brought when they weren't in form, or Chelsea, Arsenal, City?

    Welbeck :awesome:
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    Welbeck :awesome:
    :congrats: Given you rep for that as it was well deserved. Literally can't think of anyone else though (we're talking about positive vertical transfers btw- players going to bigger clubs. Obviously smaller clubs hoover up wasted talent from larger clubs):cookie:
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    This discussion about Origi is totally redundant imo. He'll end up being the new ****ing Ngog at this rate.
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    Classy from Brendan: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2...t-his-granddad
 
 
 
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