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http://www.theguardian.com/commentis...max-referendum

Devo max is a tricky one . That impacts the whole of the UK so it should be a UK wide decision.

Like it or not , Salmond can't stamp his feet and demand things. He can only go for an in out referendum.
That makes for a very interesting argument. Good find.
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Oh, that's what you meant

I would hardly say its a minority view point, with the polls tightening
The polls shifted marginally but have stayed remarkably stable since.
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OF COURSE they matter, why else would I be giving them. I was just making a different point other than statistics.

And also, numbers can be spun in lots of different ways, so don't say that you've proven me wrong - because you haven't
Generally the 'revenue contributed' versus 'revenue received' figures can only be interpreted in one way.


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That makes for a very interesting argument. Good find.
The devo max option from the SNPs perspective is to remain financed by others whilst simultaneously competing financially against them.

I.e Salmonds after Edinburgh competing with London in financial services, keeping the money when things are going well, but expecting the UK taxpayer to bail us out when it goes wrong.

There's still substantial finial levers that Holyrood has, but has chosen not to use even though they were devolved years ago.
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The Queen is the epitomy of social inequality-she has no place in a meritocratic society.


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That'd hold if she actually held any power or unfair position over you, but since you're already free to either make your fortune or become PM, MP or a high court judge (where actual power in the UK is) your point is mostly hollow ideological rhetoric.

I can live with a dynastic figurehead since it inconveniences me none and brings the UK more benefit then another leadership position for a career politician ever would. No-one would pay to visit the British Presidential Palace after all.

But off-topic, I apologize.
If Scotland did go independent remaining part of the commonwealth is probably one of the few SNP points it could pull off, though with the damage to the UK that Scotland's split would cause there is no guarantee the monarchy would survive the upheaval down south anyway.
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But that only accounts for 1.4bn of our economy.

How do you suggest that other countries maintain a financial sector without using sterling?

The way I see it is faslane will be used as a bargaining chip for us to use the pound.

My stance on independence (I'm a scottish citizen) I would have preferred an devo max option on the ballot paper but unfortunately David Cameron being cocky decided on a yes or no vote only making me sway to voting yes in september.
Except the UK won't budge on the issue (it's actually quite ludicrous for a sovereign nation to 'demand' it gets currency union and any other country would be utterly retarded to cave in to such petty tantrums) and Faslane isn't nearly as important as the SNP might think it is, the subs will go south.

Also it conflicts with SNP's anti-nuclear policy. UK only wants Faslane for it's nuclear deterrent. SNP (and independent Scotland) won't allow it. Then again it's what Salmond is most committed to, the economy or nuclear disarmament.
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That'd hold if she actually held any power or unfair position over you, but since you're already free to either make your fortune or become PM, MP or a high court judge (where actual power in the UK is) your point is mostly hollow ideological rhetoric.

I can live with a dynastic figurehead since it inconveniences me none and brings the UK more benefit then another leadership position for a career politician ever would. No-one would pay to visit the British Presidential Palace after all.

But off-topic, I apologize.
If Scotland did go independent remaining part of the commonwealth is probably one of the few SNP points it could pull off, though with the damage to the UK that Scotland's split would cause there is no guarantee the monarchy would survive the upheaval down south anyway.
She receives vast wealth, privilege and status for being a Windsor. You have no problem with that but I do. The tourism argument is bogus and you can't go inside the palace anyway so there really is no rationale. It is a disgrace that a monarchy still exists in this day and age.


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Oh, that's what you meant

I would hardly say its a minority view point, with the polls tightening
what's the polls saying shiny?

l'm voting aye lol
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The Queen? sod that.. I cannot see Scotland keeping her. That's one broken promise I hope Salmond does break. Don't try and lumber us with her just cos the UK won't be able to afford to fund her any longer hahahaha
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The Queen? sod that.. I cannot see Scotland keeping her. That's one broken promise I hope Salmond does break. Don't try and lumber us with her just cos the UK won't be able to afford to fund her any longer hahahaha
We can't afford to fund somebody because we'd have lost a loss making nation? How deluded are you?


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We can't afford to fund somebody because we'd have lost a loss making nation? How deluded are you?


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you'll be flat on your ass.. what are you going to fund her with? what have you got. last night you were claiming to be Scottish lol
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you'll be flat on your ass.. what are you going to fund her with? what have you got. last night you were claiming to be Scottish lol
I did no such thing. Explain how RUK will be broke without Scotland.


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I did no such thing. Explain how RUK will be broke without Scotland.


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simple, you'll have to enlighten me what you have lol

all l see is a scared man running around this forum trying to bully Scots into voting No by being insulting. What are you afraid of?
If Scotland make a mistake voting YES then that's our problem. What on earth are you worrying yourself about?

if England was to vote to keep Scotland lol l bet that would be an overwhelming YES vote.
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simple, you'll have to enlighten me what you have lol

all l see is a scared man running around this forum trying to bully Scots into voting No by being insulting. What are you afraid of?
If Scotland make a mistake voting YES then that's our problem. What on earth are you worrying yourself about?

if England was to vote to keep Scotland lol l bet that would be an overwhelming YES vote.
I live and work in Scotland so the outcome of the vote is somewhat important to me. Scotland runs at a loss and contributes less than 10% of the UK's income so I think RUK can manage just fine.

Also England isn't the only other constituent state.


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The Queen? sod that.. I cannot see Scotland keeping her. That's one broken promise I hope Salmond does break. Don't try and lumber us with her just cos the UK won't be able to afford to fund her any longer hahahaha
Salmonds keeping very few promises he's made.
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I live and work in Scotland so the outcome of the vote is somewhat important to me. Scotland runs at a loss and contributes less than 10% of the UK's income so I think RUK can manage just fine.

Also England isn't the only other constituent state.


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can't you get a job south of the border?
l'm sure we won't throw you out if it's a yes vote.
if you do live and work in Scotland as you claim, then you'll be well aware no one here is making a big deal about his independence , except you of course.
well if we run at a loss you've got nothing to worry about, it's our loss not yours. we run at a loss cos of the idiots you lot south of the border voted in. They're to busy stealing our profits.

"London is a giant suction machine

draining the life out of the rest of

the country."
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Salmonds keeping very few promises he's made.
she's No1 l hope hahaha l think it's hilarious
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can't you get a job south of the border?
l'm sure we won't throw you out if it's a yes vote.
if you do live and work in Scotland as you claim, then you'll be well aware no one here is making a big deal about his independence , except you of course.
well if we run at a loss you've got nothing to worry about, it's our loss not yours. we run at a loss cos of the idiots you lot south of the border voted in. They're to busy stealing our profits.

"London is a giant suction machine

draining the life out of the rest of

the country."
Does anti English rhetoric make you feel better? I'm English and voted Labour. Go figure.


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Does anti English rhetoric make you feel better? I'm English and voted Labour. Go figure.


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is that your war cry all the time? is that the best you can come up with?

You make out you're the victim all the time and retaliate by making claims people who stand up to you are anti English

l won't stoop so low as to insult you cos l'm better than that
and l will still be voting AYE lol
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is that your war cry all the time? is that the best you can come up with?

You make out you're the victim all the time and retaliate by making claims people who stand up to you are anti English

l won't stoop so low as to insult you cos l'm better than that
and l will still be voting AYE lol
Read what you wrote and say how it isn't Anglophobic.


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