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    I still think Bendtner and Chamakh are a joke...We desperately need another striker.
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    Koscielny (Birmingham) and Bendtner (Barcelona)...amazing how important the little things turn out to be. Of course, that's not to say this (depressingly familiar) collapse wouldn't have happened anyway.

    I can't help shake the feeling that this year was our big chance. Such a collective lack of quality throughout the top teams in the league won't happen again soon. City and Chelsea will hire bigger and better players, Dalglish will likely return Liverpool to contending status, United will be as resilient as ever. Something's got to change at Camp Arsenal.
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    City might lose Tevez, Chelsea are ageing and while they bounced back I will expect them to struggle next season if resting on laurels of big Tezza boyo, Lampsy-mate, Drugba and Anelka... not to mention how the likes of Essien and Malouda have calmed right down in performance.

    Spurs will lose a whole host of playing talent I would think, and Liverpool's honeymoon has to end sometime.

    United will continue to be the big foe, and the ones to beat.
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    (Original post by Beneb)
    Koscielny (Birmingham) and Bendtner (Barcelona)...amazing how important the little things turn out to be. Of course, that's not to say this (depressingly familiar) collapse wouldn't have happened anyway.

    I can't help shake the feeling that this year was our big chance. Such a collective lack of quality throughout the top teams in the league won't happen again soon. City and Chelsea will hire bigger and better players, Dalglish will likely return Liverpool to contending status, United will be as resilient as ever. Something's got to change at Camp Arsenal.
    spot on with alot of that. How these incidents can really derail momentum. I feel that CC final has had alot to answer for. You should have won that game but didn't and looking back, you were a whisker away from knocking out Barca in the CL over two legs, which is a pretty damn fine achievement to even get to be in that position.

    Bendtner should have shot first time but didn't, vs Barca...he bottled it, basically. Choked.

    the slim margins between success and failure and you don't have enough players in your squad that have the bottle and steel to achieve that success.

    Your decline and run of form from about the CC final has been dreadful.
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    Players who should **** off in the summer:
    Denilson-Absolutely abysmal all he offers is sideways passes and will always be overrun in midfield.
    Rosicky-Shadow of the player he was at BVB.
    Almunia-Never was good enough.
    Bendtner-Way out of his depth at this level and looks like a fan who has won a competition to turn out for his favourite team.
    Squillaci-Weak and slow and doesn't inspire confidence in anyone.
    Clichy-Regressed since his very good 06/07 season.Offensively average and defensively dreadful.

    Jury is out on:
    Arshavin: Despite his stats his general play and effort has been woeful this season.
    Diaby:Capable player on his day but has too many injuries and is inconsistent.
    Walcott:Lets face it his overall play is of a League 2 standard but has to start because of the lack of pace in attacking areas.Is useless when he has no space in front of him to kick and run.Having said that Wenger does him no favours putting him on the right.
    Chamakh: Doesn't look like source of goals in the team, to be fair had a good start and it is his first season.
    Eboue: Decent squad player suffers from lapses in concentration wouldn't mind if he was sold.
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    Walcott is not under question at all. That's rubbish. Nor Arshavin (unless we get a 15mill+ offer).
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    (Original post by MoMatrix)
    Players who should **** off in the summer:
    Denilson-Absolutely abysmal all he offers is sideways passes and will always be overrun in midfield.
    Rosicky-Shadow of the player he was at BVB.
    Almunia-Never was good enough.
    Bendtner-Way out of his depth at this level and looks like a fan who has won a competition to turn out for his favourite team.
    Squillaci-Weak and slow and doesn't inspire confidence in anyone.
    Clichy-Regressed since his very good 06/07 season.Offensively average and defensively dreadful.

    Jury is out on:
    Arshavin: Despite his stats his general play and effort has been woeful this season.
    Diaby:Capable player on his day but has too many injuries and is inconsistent.
    Walcott:Lets face it his overall play is of a League 2 standard but has to start because of the lack of pace in attacking areas.Is useless when he has no space in front of him to kick and run.Having said that Wenger does him no favours putting him on the right.
    Chamakh: Doesn't look like source of goals in the team, to be fair had a good start and it is his first season.
    Eboue: Decent squad player suffers from lapses in concentration wouldn't mind if he was sold.
    Nah allow Clichy, Diaby out though.
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    (Original post by MoMatrix)
    Players who should **** off in the summer:
    Denilson-Absolutely abysmal all he offers is sideways passes and will always be overrun in midfield.
    Rosicky-Shadow of the player he was at BVB.
    Almunia-Never was good enough.
    Bendtner-Way out of his depth at this level and looks like a fan who has won a competition to turn out for his favourite team.
    Squillaci-Weak and slow and doesn't inspire confidence in anyone.
    Clichy-Regressed since his very good 06/07 season.Offensively average and defensively dreadful.

    Jury is out on:
    Arshavin: Despite his stats his general play and effort has been woeful this season.
    Diaby:Capable player on his day but has too many injuries and is inconsistent.
    Walcott:Lets face it his overall play is of a League 2 standard but has to start because of the lack of pace in attacking areas.Is useless when he has no space in front of him to kick and run.Having said that Wenger does him no favours putting him on the right.
    Chamakh: Doesn't look like source of goals in the team, to be fair had a good start and it is his first season.
    Eboue: Decent squad player suffers from lapses in concentration wouldn't mind if he was sold.
    Walcott has been one of our best players this season.

    Basically Nasri, Walcott and Arshavin provide good ammunition on the wings. Rosicky is good as a last minute resort.
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    Wenger's past success is depriving you of future success.

    Agree or disagree?

    Dining out on success from 5 years + ago and the club is too scared to dismiss Wenger because of what he has achieved with the club in the past.

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    (Original post by white_haired_wizard)
    Wenger's past success is depriving you of future success.

    Agree or disagree?

    Dining out on success from 5 years + ago and the club is too scared to dismiss Wenger because of what he has achieved with the club in the past.

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    The board are not scared to sack Wenger. But as long as Wenger is bringing $$$ to the table, they'll always be happy with him.

    I want Wenger to go, but it is a very sensitive matter. We're one of the few clubs who actually recognise how much our manager has done for us. If I had my own way, I'd move him upstairs within the club. The thought of us sacking him outright, is quite scary.
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    Nope, definitely don't think we should sack Wenger. We challenged for the title for most of the season and are going to finish in the top 4 again without having to spend ridiculous money. Chelsea spent £72 million in January and only managed to challenge for the title for a couple of weeks and Liverpool spent £57 million and might not even get European football. It's an utter joke that Wenger is under so much pressure.
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    (Original post by T.Adams VI)
    Walcott has been one of our best players this season.

    Basically Nasri, Walcott and Arshavin provide good ammunition on the wings. Rosicky is good as a last minute resort.
    I honestly don't know what everyone sees in Walcott, yesterday was him turning in a typical performance if defenders get tight to him he has no effect added to the fact he can't beat a man for skill anyway. None of the players you have mentioned are natural wingers which is displayed at times by the lack of width within the team. Arshavin is 30 he isn't going to get better so it would be wise to cash in on him right now whilst he has some value.
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    (Original post by badger-man)
    Nope, definitely don't think we should sack Wenger. We challenged for the title for most of the season and are going to finish in the top 4 again without having to spend ridiculous money. Chelsea spent £72 million in January and only managed to challenge for the title for a couple of weeks and Liverpool spent £57 million and might not even get European football. It's an utter joke that Wenger is under so much pressure.
    We spent what we made. Arsenal fans love the net profit palava, so you shouldn't be changing it up for other teams.
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    Money talks, though, as gael as it sounds. You can't spend and expect to be winning titles. Chelsea chucked a lot of money and they went on an incredible run when they looked out of it. Liverpool are leading the table since Dalglish took over, I believe. Man City chucked a lot of money and are favourites to win the FA Cup.

    That said, Wenger shouldn't be under pressure but a lot of that is his own fault because he sets himself unrealistic targets such as winning the title. I don't think the Arsenal team is good enough to win the league. It's good enough to win an FA Cup/Carling Cup with a bit of luck, but that's about it. It's good enough to finish about 3rd on a consistent basis, so Wenger is getting the maximum potential from them, but the expectations aren't realistic so this brings pressure on him. If you look at Everton, they spend little money and finish around the same position each season. You can't make progress in the modern game without money, it's the main way. Only other major criticism with Wenger would be his tactical variety, or lack of.
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    (Original post by Mess.)
    Arsenal fans love the net profit palava
    We go on about it because it's the truth. You cannot ignore it when assessing how well a manager has done.

    Wenger could easily win the league if he was allowed to spend money like City. Unfortunately we do not have that kind of money, so when assessing him amongst his peers we should take that into consideration. It's common sense really.

    It's like comparing two athletes, one on steroids, and one clean.
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    (Original post by Mastermind`)
    Money talks, though, as gael as it sounds. You can't spend and expect to be winning titles. Chelsea chucked a lot of money and they went on an incredible run when they looked out of it. Liverpool are leading the table since Dalglish took over, I believe. Man City chucked a lot of money and are favourites to win the FA Cup.

    That said, Wenger shouldn't be under pressure but a lot of that is his own fault because he sets himself unrealistic targets such as winning the title. I don't think the Arsenal team is good enough to win the league. It's good enough to win an FA Cup/Carling Cup with a bit of luck, but that's about it. It's good enough to finish about 3rd on a consistent basis, so Wenger is getting the maximum potential from them, but the expectations aren't realistic so this brings pressure on him. If you look at Everton, they spend little money and finish around the same position each season. You can't make progress in the modern game without money, it's the main way. Only other major criticism with Wenger would be his tactical variety, or lack of.
    Agree.
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    (Original post by T.Adams VI)
    We go on about it because it's the truth. You cannot ignore it when assessing how well a manager has done.

    Wenger could easily win the league if he was allowed to spend money like City. Unfortunately we do not have that kind of money, so when assessing him amongst his peers we should take that into consideration. It's common sense really.

    It's like comparing two athletes, one on steroids, and one clean.
    Never said it shouldn't be taken into consideration. I was pointing out that whilst we had spent a lot we had also recouped a lot. Therefore, if he wanted to keep up the 'net spending' stance he would have to concede that Liverpool didn't just spend in the same way Chelsea or City do.
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    (Original post by Mastermind`)
    Money talks, though, as gael as it sounds. You can't spend and expect to be winning titles. Chelsea chucked a lot of money and they went on an incredible run when they looked out of it. Liverpool are leading the table since Dalglish took over, I believe. Man City chucked a lot of money and are favourites to win the FA Cup.

    That said, Wenger shouldn't be under pressure but a lot of that is his own fault because he sets himself unrealistic targets such as winning the title. I don't think the Arsenal team is good enough to win the league. It's good enough to win an FA Cup/Carling Cup with a bit of luck, but that's about it. It's good enough to finish about 3rd on a consistent basis, so Wenger is getting the maximum potential from them, but the expectations aren't realistic so this brings pressure on him. If you look at Everton, they spend little money and finish around the same position each season. You can't make progress in the modern game without money, it's the main way. Only other major criticism with Wenger would be his tactical variety, or lack of.
    The title isn't an unrealistic target, this years title was there for the taking United aren't much better than Arsenal.
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    (Original post by T.Adams VI)
    We go on about it because it's the truth. You cannot ignore it when assessing how well a manager has done.

    Wenger could easily win the league if he was allowed to spend money like City. Unfortunately we do not have that kind of money, so when assessing him amongst his peers we should take that into consideration. It's common sense really.

    It's like comparing two athletes, one on steroids, and one clean.
    Exactly, they don't call it financial doping for nothing.
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    (Original post by Mess.)
    We spent what we made. Arsenal fans love the net profit palava, so you shouldn't be changing it up for other teams.
    I wasn't commenting on net profits, I was pointing out that in the history books it will say that Liverpool spent over £50 million yet didn't even get Champions League football.
 
 
 
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