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    Did anyone expect ozil to score yesterday? He's become a joke. Wish we'd signed fabregas and just got rid of ozil or told him to accept a lesser role
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    (Original post by De Chirico)
    Ozil has been disappointing tbh. Not as bad as people make out but you expect the press to exaggerate things. I'm hoping Sanchez can take the weight of expectation off Ozils shoulders. He seems to be the type of character that thrives under that kind of pressure whereas Ozil seems like the shy guy who prefers life out of the spotlight. Next season is make or break time for Ozil, no more excuses about needing time to adapt.
    I think a lot of what Özil is good at goes unnoticed. He's a magnet, he draws players out of position to create space for others. He's a big part of the reason for Ramsey doing so well this season. He makes people around him better.

    I don't think we've been well set up to get the best out of him though due to the lack of pace in our side which should change next season. He's best in a counter attacking side, too often last year we stalled in front of a back 8, we were too slow. Wenger said himself Özil is obsessed with the perfect pass, that is hard when you're faced with two lines of four. He wants to find space between the defence and midfield - I remember when he destroyed England by doing that - but it wasn't there last season. He needs movement in front of him. I agree he's a Robin not a Batman, hopefully Sanchez can hit the ground running for Özil's sake, I'm sure once people have another player to scrutinise Özil will thrive. I don't think he's handled the pressure as well as he could but he needs help on the pitch too, he can't be expected to do it all himself.

    People criticising him for last night just come across as moronic. He played the majority of the match in possibly Germany's best ever performance. His pass % was top notch and he almost always looked to go forward. He created a few chances, put players through well and even put a shift in when tracking back. But of course, people will focus on a missed chance when Germany were already 7 up. Özil will be the first to admit finishing isn't his strong point, but even Klose managed to hit the keeper from 6 yards out before getting the rebound, football is full of small margins and the media explode the most trivial of them. His movement and pace to get in that position was excellent, the determination was there even at ~80-90 minutes. He wasn't Germany's best player but they were all excellent. He gets overshadowed by more imposing players, his unselfishness let's others thrive, that's his game. He's not a controller, that is for Khedira/Kroos/Schweinsteiger/Ramsey/Wilshere to do. People need to give him a break, at the moment it is schadenfreude from the media.

    #leavebritneyalone
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    Pretty fair article which sums up what we all think of mesut.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/f...s-9592794.html

    Arsene has to share a lot of the blame who the criticism been directed at him hence why a striker is as important as a DM. Should've really got one of higuain or Suarez last summer and none of this will be written.


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    (Original post by EmperorMustard)
    I think a lot of what Özil is good at goes unnoticed. He's a magnet, he draws players out of position to create space for others. He's a big part of the reason for Ramsey doing so well this season. He makes people around him better.

    I don't think we've been well set up to get the best out of him though due to the lack of pace in our side which should change next season. He's best in a counter attacking side, too often last year we stalled in front of a back 8, we were too slow. Wenger said himself Özil is obsessed with the perfect pass, that is hard when you're faced with two lines of four. He wants to find space between the defence and midfield - I remember when he destroyed England by doing that - but it wasn't there last season. He needs movement in front of him. I agree he's a Robin not a Batman, hopefully Sanchez can hit the ground running for Özil's sake, I'm sure once people have another player to scrutinise Özil will thrive. I don't think he's handled the pressure as well as he could but he needs help on the pitch too, he can't be expected to do it all himself.

    People criticising him for last night just come across as moronic. He played the majority of the match in possibly Germany's best ever performance. His pass % was top notch and he almost always looked to go forward. He created a few chances, put players through well and even put a shift in when tracking back. But of course, people will focus on a missed chance when Germany were already 7 up. Özil will be the first to admit finishing isn't his strong point, but even Klose managed to hit the keeper from 6 yards out before getting the rebound, football is full of small margins and the media explode the most trivial of them. His movement and pace to get in that position was excellent, the determination was there even at ~80-90 minutes. He wasn't Germany's best player but they were all excellent. He gets overshadowed by more imposing players, his unselfishness let's others thrive, that's his game. He's not a controller, that is for Khedira/Kroos/Schweinsteiger/Ramsey/Wilshere to do. People need to give him a break, at the moment it is schadenfreude from the media.

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    Agree here, good post
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    (Original post by baconbutty)
    i respect that a lot saying it how it is. ozil has been a ****ing flop
    Last week you agree that ozil get unfairly criticised. And he's a ****ing flop. Sanchez is already a flop whilst cesc is the greatest.

    You'll just say anything so you can **** on arsenal. Yet your fanboys claim that there's a so call mob after you.


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    (Original post by EmperorMustard)
    I think a lot of what Özil is good at goes unnoticed. He's a magnet, he draws players out of position to create space for others. He's a big part of the reason for Ramsey doing so well this season. He makes people around him better.

    I don't think we've been well set up to get the best out of him though due to the lack of pace in our side which should change next season. He's best in a counter attacking side, too often last year we stalled in front of a back 8, we were too slow. Wenger said himself Özil is obsessed with the perfect pass, that is hard when you're faced with two lines of four. He wants to find space between the defence and midfield - I remember when he destroyed England by doing that - but it wasn't there last season. He needs movement in front of him. I agree he's a Robin not a Batman, hopefully Sanchez can hit the ground running for Özil's sake, I'm sure once people have another player to scrutinise Özil will thrive. I don't think he's handled the pressure as well as he could but he needs help on the pitch too, he can't be expected to do it all himself.

    People criticising him for last night just come across as moronic. He played the majority of the match in possibly Germany's best ever performance. His pass % was top notch and he almost always looked to go forward. He created a few chances, put players through well and even put a shift in when tracking back. But of course, people will focus on a missed chance when Germany were already 7 up. Özil will be the first to admit finishing isn't his strong point, but even Klose managed to hit the keeper from 6 yards out before getting the rebound, football is full of small margins and the media explode the most trivial of them. His movement and pace to get in that position was excellent, the determination was there even at ~80-90 minutes. He wasn't Germany's best player but they were all excellent. He gets overshadowed by more imposing players, his unselfishness let's others thrive, that's his game. He's not a controller, that is for Khedira/Kroos/Schweinsteiger/Ramsey/Wilshere to do. People need to give him a break, at the moment it is schadenfreude from the media.

    #leavebritneyalone
    Pretty much agree with everything you said. When Ozil got injured for a month or so last season our ball retention and general attacking play dropped off noticeably. People take for granted his ability to always be available for the pass and his intelligence in finding space. It's a damn shame Walcott got that injury last season as there were signs of a great understanding developing between him and Ozil. I remember Ozil putting three chances on a plate for Theo in one game with inch perfect through balls. (that Theo then managed to bottle)
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    (Original post by 419)
    Last week you agree that ozil get unfairly criticised. And he's a ****ing flop. Sanchez is already a flop whilst cesc is the greatest.

    You'll just say anything so you can **** on arsenal. Yet your fanboys claim that there's a so call mob after you.


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    Its the same stance I take with giroud I feel they should all get the blame. Ozil has been an absolute disgrace though. Played like a 15m player last season not a 42.5 and has carried it in to the World Cup.

    I doubt he'll ever recover his previous form he's just far too weak mentally and isn't a winner and leader like the legend that is Cesc fabregas
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    (Original post by baconbutty)
    Its the same stance I take with giroud I feel they should all get the blame. Ozil has been an absolute disgrace though. Played like a 15m player last season not a 42.5 and has carried it in to the World Cup.

    I doubt he'll ever recover his previous form he's just far too weak mentally and isn't a winner and leader like the legend that is Cesc fabregas
    If you're going to talk about the World Cup then Cesc's was a complete disaster.
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    (Original post by De Chirico)
    If you're going to talk about the World Cup then Cesc's was a complete disaster.
    Ozil wouldn't even be on Spain's bench. Don't go there
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    (Original post by baconbutty)
    Ozil wouldn't even be on Spain's bench. Don't go there
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    if only it was possible to ban specific users from specific threads
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    (Original post by shawn_o1)
    if only it was possible to ban specific users from specific threads
    No point they'll just make another account. Unless you ban them by IP address if that's possible.

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    (Original post by baconbutty)
    Ozil wouldn't even be on Spain's bench. Don't go there
    Fabregas got booed off the pitch at the Nou Camp for a reason, he has regressed from his Arsenal days.
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    (Original post by De Chirico)
    Fabregas got booed off the pitch at the Nou Camp for a reason, he has regressed from his Arsenal days.
    Messi was also boo'd I bet you'd take him wouldn't you
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    (Original post by Kruz)
    No point they'll just make another account. Unless you ban them by IP address if that's possible.

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    It's funny how extreme measures need to be taken for certain users :/

    Sad too
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    said this before, and i'll say it again

    ozil will be dropped from first xi before January

    needs 18 assists and 10 goals next season to redeem himself or sell him to monaco.


    and who was it that didn't rate khedira?
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    It's funny how people are persecuted in this thread for going against the grain and not being part of the wenger knows best clique
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    (Original post by De Chirico)
    Fabregas got booed off the pitch at the Nou Camp for a reason, he has regressed from his Arsenal days.
    Modric was being booed at Madrid, as was Zidane. Fabregas was pretty much their only goalscorer besides Messi until his final season.

    Fabregas wasn't good enough to be the main man for a top team competing for the top trophies and has never been. Because of that he got out shadowed.
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    (Original post by manchesterunited15)
    He joined City when they didn't have CL football but did have money. I'm not sure but he probably had offers from a better team.
    Or maybe because his brother was playing for City and it would be the only chance those two can play together for a top team?
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    (Original post by jam278)
    Or maybe because his brother was playing for City and it would be the only chance those two can play together for a top team?
    I agree with this. People (not mu15 btw) seem to think that players purely move for footballing reasons and family/location don't come into it, re Scum fans wrt Sanchez :rolleyes:

    Who hasn't dreamed of playing and winning a league title in the same team as their brother man.

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