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David Cameron - "Before protesting, students need to get the facts straight." Watch

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    I agree that a lot of the students at protests don't really know the facts, but as more protests occur more people know - for instance the protest I went to in Exeter on tuesday this week I got the feeling that everyone knew their ****.

    It's annoying that David Cameron generalises like that though, I don't think he knows what the **** he's talking about when it comes to our generation. He was grown on Eton afterall.
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    (Original post by DaveSmith99)
    I dont like clegg, cable and cameron assuming that everyone who is unhappy doesnt understand the changes.

    We do understand the changes and can see through all the spin they are trying to put on it.
    Looking at the posters and some of the idiots the media have been interviewing it seems pretty apprent most of them do not understand the new system and seem to think they cannot get loans and will be paying up front.
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    (Original post by bj_945)
    Then by definition how can it be undergraduate. That definition being:

    "A college or university student who has not yet received a bachelor's or similar degree."
    It's about the level of the course rather than that of the applicant. Essentially it is a specialist conversion course that makes some allowance of the previous level of study undertaken by the applicant. It results in the same level of qualification as would be achieved by a standard undergraduate medicine course, hence it can't be a postgraduate qualification in medicine.
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    (Original post by Toni42)
    Like many of this thread wanted to agree that in my opinion the cuts are fair. I realise i won't be someone who has to face them but I don't understand how students feel they should be special and not subjected to the cuts. If they weren't altering uni fees then money would have to come from else where eg the NHS or disability allowances. No one is being stopped going to university as all it is is increased tax after you leave university which seems reasonable. Why should everyone else pay for you to do a degree to earn more, as on average graduates own more than the average salary in this country (if that statement is wrong I apologise).
    Equally seems unfair to put all this blame on the coliation when it wasn't them who got us in this mess they are trying to fix it (just using unpopular means)
    Its not about students per'se, its about the pricing out of higher education for the nations children, for generations.

    The coalition have other means to save money, taxing banks and the obscene culture of bonus payments for a start, the millions gifted to the EU every year for membership (essentially) and how about the 14 billion pound cost of modern warfare?

    That cost is still rising.... Purely to support the USA opposed to the education of the countries youth.
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    (Original post by Aj12)
    Looking at the posters and some of the idiots the media have been interviewing it seems pretty apprent most of them do not understand the new system and seem to think they cannot get loans and will be paying up front.
    I have been watching quite a lot of the coverage on the BBC and have not seen anything to indicate that people think that :confused:
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    (Original post by Flob)
    Well you could always apply as a graduate to the undergraduate programme, for which - if I recall correctly - you will now get full loans? But that may not be ideal, and I agree its wrong to make students pay upfront for any degree, and I hope this will be upheld by the government with regards to graduate medicine.

    I think they will really shoot themselves in the foot if they charge people upfront for even just year 1 on the 4-year course, as they do now - £9000 is way too much to ask people to pay upfront.
    You don't get full loans for either course.

    (Original post by bj_945)
    Then by definition how can it be undergraduate. That definition being:

    "A college or university student who has not yet received a bachelor's or similar degree."
    It's an undergraduate degree which itself asks for a first degree as a prerequisite.
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    (Original post by DaveSmith99)
    I have been watching quite a lot of the coverage on the BBC and have not seen anything to indicate that people think that :confused:
    Some of the interviews I saw the other weak seemed to think that. Many complain how this will stop people going to uni when anyone who actually knows whats going on will realise poorer people are actually in a better postion than they will be now.
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    I definitely agree with this.

    I hate it when people just shoot their mouth off about things when they have no idea what they're protesting against. A lot of people try to skew political decisions into some sort of ideological plan hatched by the government. As if stopping poor children from going to university would benefit the government? :lolwut: I think they'd rather they went to university and got a well-paid job rather than have them permanently on the dole and entirely relying on the state?
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    (Original post by Broderss)
    He is such a ****ing moron. These people protesting are anarchists taking any opportunity to riot and cause disruption. They don't believe the changes to funding are an issue, they are using it as an excuse to 'fight the man'.

    He is also a ****ing idiot for even thinking we need to reduce the deficit - we don't. These cuts are completely unnecessary. We do not need to save money, but even so why the **** so hard right now when we are barely out of a recession? The Tories are ****ing idiots. They'll never learn and neither will the voter. We will end up with an even bigger deficit and a reduced economy in the next few years I assure you.

    David Cameron is such a mug.
    Have you heard of Greece and Ireland?
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    (Original post by Square)
    yes because you, a 20 year old angry student on the internet knows better than the entire elected government.
    May want to think again on that.

    And it is well known the Conservatives know nothing of economics. They ignore all the advice from Economics experts and proceed to do their own thing, which they have done before. They will destroy this country further.

    PS I'm actually 19 :fyi:
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    (Original post by mimimimi)
    You may call it 'household expenditure' but 9/10 of the people I knew getting it in college called it 'cinema, DVDs, CDs, petrol for my own personal car'...

    I'm not saying everyone who receives it spends it on things like that, but I think you're being awfully idealistic by saying it 'often' goes to people's parents.
    My cousin is dropping out of college because she no longer receives EMA, the family have only been able to stay financially afloat thanks to the EMA system but now she must find work in order to keep her parents household running.

    One example I know but I'm just saying.
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    I dislike the fees however, the way people are going about it in the protest is damaging the reputation of the students. It's supposed to be peaceful and instead it ends up making us look like a load of yobs and misfits...
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    (Original post by Square)
    instead of EMA why dont they give them free bus passes, book tokens and stationary vouchers, since these are what EMA is meant to be for, not clothes, DVDs and going out.
    It's also meant as a motivator
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    Good article.
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    (Original post by Aj12)
    Some of the interviews I saw the other weak seemed to think that. Many complain how this will stop people going to uni when anyone who actually knows whats going on will realise poorer people are actually in a better postion than they will be now.
    I think it will stop people going to university, I know whats going on and I dont think poorer people are in a better position.
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    Mr Cameron is right. As well as an intelligent and highly respectable individual, hurrah for the upper classes

    *Lord Cameron I mean
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    its abit rich coming from someone that was all to happy to bill the taxpayer for his private photographers until there were complaints.
    but overall I think alot of the protesters are ill informed.
    though it is a bitter pill to swallow alongside a very expensive royal wedding/2012 olympics.
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    (Original post by TheCount.)
    Bedridden : ' confined to bed (by illness)'. It strikes me as somewhat arduous to deal drugs when one is unable to move from their bed.

    I can't believe you have the audacity to question my English, when you speak so unintelligibly.

    IE - in example, ie my opinion, which then i stated lazy

    again

    learn to read

    Did I use bed ridden by itself? no, again it was a figure of speech if u read it along with its accompanying words

    learn to be a smart arse better, intelligent people dont quote and try to correct people, thats just sour people who wish they were intelligent

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    (Original post by bhx)
    this is now annoying me.
    why should they pay people to go to college as an incentive? i go to college too and it annoys the hell out of me how i know that a lot of them wouldn't even be there if it wasn't for EMA.
    these people don't actually want an education and they're wasting now precious places that could be used for people that actually want an education, not £30 a week to spend at the weekend.
    i'd like to see the college student numbers fall if they did bring in a system of vouchers.

    anyway. this is irrelevant as i'm pretty sure they're scrapping EMA.

    also, you/your/you're
    DIFFERENT WORDS

    but back to the point of tutition fees, if there's cuts, there have to be increases. i'd rather pay more if it means the actual education i'm getting at least stays at the esame standard. if the standard falls and i'm still paying up to £9,000, THEN i'll be pissed. it's also pissed me off how the Lib Dems said they're scrap - NOT EVEN LOWER - SCRAP tutition fees. gesuheriuhgsoeurghosuregs.
    also how Scotland still don't have to pay.

    meh. at the end of the day, you get a degree to get a good career. if you want that degree, it won't matter to you.
    another arrogant tit, its a forum, i dont care about grammar ya fool

    cant you tell by the words im using?

    Lets see now, what costs more? services and crime prevention and cleaning up the messes which would be caused by drug abusing, drug dealing, thieves and assaults or ema? ( they are still gonna provide money by giving bus vouchers and stuff, so EMA or Prevention + Wannabe EMA? )

    now does your mind get the picture?

    im pretty sure alot worse things will happen than what would happen if people still got ema. Plus you will have the dominoe effect, peoples lives becoming more miserable, old people going out less because of yobs. People trying to cheat the system by becoming false benefit holders, people having more kids which costs the country more money since they will get paid more. The list goes onnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn... and onnnnnnnn

    as usual another person who doesnt understand the meaning of my post, just a quick scan and a unthought opinion which is shown by how your post is structured

    peace!


    oh p.s. to piss you off more, its "I" not "i"


    Oh and again, if you had any idea of things, youd know EMA is a REWARD for good attendance and punctuation. That is what the advert originally advertised wasnt it?

    It's annoying that David Cameron generalises like that though, I don't think he knows what the **** he's talking about when it comes to our generation. He was grown on Eton afterall.
    Truth!
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    (Original post by Onyx.)
    That's so true. On the day of the first protest we saw more Year 9s 10s and 11 leave than sixth formers. You have to wonder whether they have actually done their research or if they're just jumping on the 'Tory scum, we want our EMA' bandwagon.
    But these are the people who will be affected in a couple of years, depending on their age. As far as I'm concerned they have the right to protest and i don't think you're giving them enough credit; I personally wouldn't go out of my to protest unless I knew what I was talking about, and I bet a lot of them are the same. Them being Year 9, 10 or 11 has absolutely nothing to do with it. You'll always get people who do jump on the bandwagon and like to cause trouble, but there's no reason to suggest that the majority of people protesting are like that.

    Also, I'd like to point out that Cameron makes some ridiculous points in that article, for instance

    "Unlike our predecessors we won't patronise the public by pretending there's a bottomless pit of money we can dig into" - I fail to see how this was ever the case. Labour never tried to say that, and frankly you'd have to be an idiot to ever pretend that.

    "These reforms are going to drive up the quality of higher education, because when more funding flows directly from the student rather than from government, universities will be pressured to up their game in order to attract more students — improving teaching quality, offering real value for money and offering better student support."
    This will not be the case as far as I am concerned. The education system will simply become more like that in America, where it is a 'marketplace'. In other words, better degrees from better universities will cost more and people will have to make a choice between a worse degree and higher debt. Once fees are increased once, the only way is up. So, maybe it will be fine off initially, but if fees were to go up in the future, the quality of higher education will suffer, in my opinion
 
 
 
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