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    "here's what vampires shouldn't be: Pallid detectives who drink bloody marys and work only at night; lovelorn southern gentlemen; anorexic teenage girls; boy-toys with big dewy eyes," writes stephen king in the introduction to his move into original comic book writing, american vampire. "what should they be? Killers, honey. Stone killers who never get enough of that tasty type-a. Bad boys and girls. Hunters. In other words, midnight america. Red, white and blue, accent on the red. Those vamps got hijacked by a lot of soft-focus romance."

    king has clearly got a bit of a thing against the waves of romantically inclined vampires that have been proving so popular in recent years – in the past, he's hit out particularly at stephenie meyer's twilight books and the yearning teen romance that fills them. "stephenie meyer can't write worth a darn. She's not very good," he said last year.
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    There are tons of other chick lits out there to obsess over :dontknow:
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    (Original post by CombineHarvester)
    So basically you're saying as a result of desperation young females are resorting a trashy novel to relieve themselves of sexual oppression? It's simply an observation?
    Well, no, not really, I wouldn't use those words at all.

    (I'd use the words that I used in my OP)
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    (Original post by Allie-23)
    I referenced Twilight in my essay on the SAT and got a perfect score =). It makes a few (although very, very few) good points
    I'm doing a module (hopefully) next year- third year of English Lit degree- that has Twilight as one of the primary texts. People do PHDs on it and stuff.
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    (Original post by Mm_Minty)
    There are tons of other chick lits out there to obsess over :dontknow:
    That's what makes the Twilight craze so interesting- the key question is, why Twilight?
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    Girls like boys. Girls like bands with boys in them. Girls like books about boys. Girls like programs about boys. This is what Twilight panders to.

    Your "defence" of Twishyte is laughable frankly. Let the haters hate. I'm hatin' and nothings going to change that. It's a franchise that is irredeemably and unforgivably crap. You don't have to be clever to see that. You just have to be anything other than a teenage girl (or gay) to see it
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    (Original post by missygeorgia)
    Well, no, not really, I wouldn't use those words at all.

    (I'd use the words that I used in my OP)
    Well you haven't made a clear point in your OP hence why it's no coincidence that all the responses in this thread are generically about Twilight and don't tackle any specific point. In any case, I don't think the indulgence in Twilight novels is anything worthy of defence or something which identifies a recent shift in the behaviour of teenage girls.
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    (Original post by CombineHarvester)
    Well you haven't made a clear point in your OP hence why it's no coincidence that all the responses in this thread are generically about Twilight and don't tackle any specific point.
    I made several clear point that others seemed to understand.

    (Original post by CombineHarvester)
    In any case, I don't think the indulgence in Twilight novels is anything worthy of defence or something which identifies a recent shift in the behaviour of teenage girls.
    It wouldn't need defending if an indulgence in Twilight wasn't being attacked at all angles. And I don't think it's worthy of attack.
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    id just watch it for the moody looking hot girl in it.
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    (Original post by missygeorgia)
    That's what makes the Twilight craze so interesting- the key question is, why Twilight?
    Maybe because a few people have liked it and recommended it, the only reason I ever read it was because my friend said it was funny. I don't think she's ever recommended me a book to read before or after that.
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    (Original post by Militantbuthopeful)
    Interesting post my question would be what exactly do you think it's tapping into specifically? I don't just mean sexuality generally here, there are a lot of trashy escapist sexy books for women to read (my nan has a rather extensive Mills and Boon collection) I mean what aspect in particular do you think it is?
    Well, I think the sexuality in the books is generally sado-masochist, and this reflects a trend in society but I think especially in teenagers- in teenage girls hurting yourself and being hurt is something of an obsession, and I think this is really interesting, and a big part of Twilight that people don't want to acknowledge.

    I also think that what's different about Twilight is that it's aimed at kids/teens, and that's what's so interesting about it, in comparison to say Mills and Boon or other sexy escapist books. You have loads of them for adults, but not really specifically aimed at this age group, and that's one of the reasons Twilight is so massive.

    Also, it's framed in a fairy-tale story, a mythological narrative, which is something that really resonates with readers. Myth is something universal and something that gives meaning to lives, and gives people a structure to place their lives in. Twilight is a mythological narrative in this way, and also in the obvious way that it uses mythological creatures.

    So yeah, I think it's the combination of a hugely sexual (and sadomachistic), mythological novel aimed specifically for this age group that makes Twilight a really interesting phenomenon to study.
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    (Original post by Mm_Minty)
    Maybe because a few people have liked it and recommended it, the only reason I ever read it was because my friend said it was funny. I don't think she's ever recommended me a book to read before or after that.
    Mmm, but that doesn't explain the success of the sequels or the films.
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    (Original post by missygeorgia)
    I made several clear point that others seemed to understand.



    It wouldn't need defending if an indulgence in Twilight wasn't being attacked at all angles. And I don't think it's worthy of attack.
    It's being attacked on pretty valid grounds from my view and on the reasons you listed in the OP. It is poorly written, has a bad plot, uninteresting characters and is sexist. There are plenty of other reasons to attack it but it deserves to be attacked on these grounds especially since its been successful and popular despite this, if it wasn't it wouldn't need to be attacked. The same argument can be said for a lot of modern music.
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    (Original post by Ammelia)
    a.k.a. Twilight is mindless s*** for bored teens.
    We knew this already!
    Best comment of the day.
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    (Original post by CombineHarvester)
    It's being attacked on pretty valid grounds from my view and on the reasons you listed in the OP. It is poorly written, has a bad plot, uninteresting characters and is sexist. There are plenty of other reasons to attack it but it deserves to be attacked on these grounds especially since its been successful and popular despite this, if it wasn't it wouldn't need to be attacked. The same argument can be said for a lot of modern music.
    Sure, sure, but you said 'an indulgence in twilight', so I assumed you meant that it's ok to attack people who indulge in Twilight.

    Regarding the book itself- of course I think the values propogated in it should be examined and criticised.

    But to say we shouldn't defend Twilight is basically saying there's no room for any other views than the overwhelming 'OMG twilight is so lame as are its readers'. Of course we should be looking at other points of view than the mainstream, of course we should criticise not just the novel but the criticism of the novel itself. I'm surprised you would advocate shutting this kind of critical approach down.
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    (Original post by missygeorgia)
    Regarding the crappy values, I agree- another way in which porn and Twilight are comparable (meyer would hate me for this). But I think rather than slamming Twilight and the people who read it we should look at our own society and about why we have a whole generation of girls who are attracted to these values. I'm obv not trying to defend the blatant antifeminism of the novels, but I do think it's very hypocritical for society be like 'oh it's so awful' when these are precisely the values our society is saturated with.
    Totally agree. Rep for you.

    EDIT: Rep for you when I am allowed.
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    (Original post by Hylean)
    Personally I think it just shows how badly read people are these days if they think that Twilight is tapping into an untouched market/doing something that hasn't been done already. There are hundreds of books which do what you argue Twilight does and they do it a lot better. Hell, Gothic Literature is founded upon eroticism and the taboo and sexuality, yet it gets largely ignored.

    Lestat is far sexier than Edward Cullen. He's also a better vampire.
    This is a very good point. Anne Rice wrote some fantastic stuff and she didn't receive a fraction of the fame that Mayer has.
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    (Original post by missygeorgia)
    I'm sure you have, but I doubt you actually read my post.
    And the relevance of the emboldened sentence...? I'm stating my opinion, which I guess must be a problem.
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    (Original post by lastplace)
    And the relevance of the emboldened sentence...? I'm stating my opinion, which I guess must be a problem.
    No, it's just generally if someone posts on a thread, they actually read the original post first, to make sure that what they're saying isn't irrelevent.
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    (Original post by missygeorgia)
    No, it's just generally if someone posts on a thread, they actually read the original post first, to make sure that what they're saying isn't irrelevent.
    I did read the OP, funnily enough. I was commenting on the fact that the books are awful...

    Why does it matter anyway? I'm hardly calling your opinions stupid.
 
 
 
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