Every girl I meet has a boyfriend :(

Why is it manipulation?

God forbid it might actually be the truth, or a desperate last resort to get the creep to sod off and leave her alone. Unfortunately this kind of technique clearly would not work in some cases anyway....how can a woman win in this situation if there are guys like Neil_K around? I refuse to believe that EVERY single woman he has come across has actually lied about having a boyfriend. I expect the majority of them were telling the truth, or trying to get him to leave them alone, or actually believed they had a "boyfriend" or "seeing someone" at that time, as opposed to it being some kind of manipulative lie or form of test. The low and generalised opinions of women expressed by some men on here are really hacking me off.

How so? Please explain that comment.

Please comment on what I wrote regarding when to persist vs when to walk away. I'll get back to you once you've replied SPECIFICALLY to my comments....

Why don't you show women some RESPECT then, and TRUST that they're being HONEST with you, instead of trying to "break them down".

Also, you're the one who needs to stick to the topic instead of bragging about your own so-called experiences of "breaking down girls" who said they had boyfriends when they were in fact lying.

Unfortunately your argument is pretty shaky too my dear. You can't prove all of this rubbish that you're spouting about "breaking girls down". You expect us to take it at face value and believe you. Why should we, when this whole debate is about you refusing to take the words of other girls' at face value when they tell you that they have a boyfriend?

Conclusion is that you're an arrogant little boy who can't take no for answer. I just hope that I never have the devastatingly bad luck to come across you in a club, or anywhere else for that matter, whether I'm single or not. Code of honour? Ha! Please..... I really hope you're just a convincing troll.

I have no interest in doing anything just so you'll get back to me. INSERT UNNECESSARY CAPITALS. That's my problem with you - you're coming across as being worryingly self-obsessed, your tone is ridiculous.

With regards to explaining my comment, though... Do you think if you showed a girl what you'd written here, or even talked in vaguely this way to her, she'd still be interested?

It genuinely freaks me out that there are guys out there putting on the charming face when this is what's going on in their heads.

I'm wasting my time talking to you and can't take you seriously.

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HONESTY, TRUST & RESPECT have to work BOTH WAYS. I am always honest with women in that I am upfront about my intentions, I am honest about who I am and what I do in life etc. I show my true self, openly and honestly.

I respect women by treating them fairly and like human beings, and by not lying, not playing games, not manipulating them, not 'beating around the bush'. I respect women by approaching them directly and honestly and making my intentions known right from start, instead of trying to lie or manipulate my way into their pants etc.

Trust is something that has to be earned. When I first meet somebody, including a woman, I don't know if I can trust them until the trust has been earned, so I have to get to know them somewhat before I feel I can trust them.

And I expect the same in return from women. If a woman lies to me about her boyfriend situation, then that means she can't be trusted and that she isn't respecting me, so of course I'm going to 'break her down' in that case.



Not once have I bragged about my own experiences. Show me an example of me 'bragging'. I simply STATED WHAT I'VE PERSONALLY EXPERIENCED.

BRAGGING - "I've slept with 200 women in the last few years, I'm a master with women, women love me, I can get any women I want"

STATING WHAT I'VE PERSONALLY EXPERIENCED - "I've noticed that women lie about their boyfriend situation, and these are my observations from my actual experience...."

So as you can see, I stated what I've experienced, not bragged. Let's keep things real here.



I assure I'm still standing strong. Despite all the numerous replies, attempts to break me down, personal insults, etc...NOT ONE PERSON HAS MANAGED TO INVALIDATE ANYTHING I'VE SAID SO FAR. And this is because what I speak is the TRUTH. And you cannot break down or argue with simple TRUTH.

I assure you, I really am the last person you want to debate with, either online, in person, on the phone etc....because I will break people's bull**** down.



If you or anyone on this site is ever in my city (Manchester, UK), I'll put my money where my mouth is. I'm willing to meet up with anyone from this site IN PERSON and debate with you FACE TO FACE, and I'm also willing to approach ANY girl, ANY TIME, ANYPLACE in front of whoever wants to meet up with me.

I don't need to hide behind a computer screen. If anybody wants to take me up on this, send me a PM and we'll arrange to meet up. You can't get fairer or more honest than that.

The girls who have replied to this thread are full of sh*t, and until they present me with a convincing, straight up response then I really find it hard to take any of you seriously.

**** whether or not a girl 'has a boyfriend'. Often, it's a bull**** line they come out with by default. It means nothing. It's usually just a test....

ALL women use this comeback on men at some point in their lives, and I'm pleased to tell you that when a woman says 'I've got a boyfriend', it's not always a problem!

Anyway, so why DO girls tell you they have a boyfriend? Well I think the first question should be 'Should I be asking girls if they have a boyfriend or not?'. Well, after many years doing this and much reflection, I've come to the conclusion that women lie an awful lot. If you ask a girl when you first meet her 'Do you have a boyfriend?' or 'What's your relationship situation?' or 'Are you single?', there is no guarantee you will get a truthful answer.

Some girls will genuinely be single and tell you that. Others will genuinely be taken, and tell you that. Other girls will 'pretend' to have a boyfriend so as to not seem easy or to 'test' how persistant you are. Heck, some girls will even pretend they're single if they really like you enough. I really have seen it all with their lies...

Either way, the bottom line is THERE IS NO WAY TO TELL IF A GIRL REALLY DOES HAVE A BOYFRIEND OR NOT, EVEN IF YOU ASK HER.

You might think you're being really morally correct to ask if she's got a boyfriend, but since you can't take a woman's answer to the question 'Do you have a boyfriend?' at face value, it really is futile to ask.

The solution, then, is to simply assume she doesn't have a boyfriend. Do NOT ask her if she is taken. Just approach her as you normally would. If she brings up the boyfriend objection at any point, ignore her and carry on as normal. You should know that I don't advocate sticking around too long trying to make conversation with a girl you've just met; I advocate approaching Direct and giving her your business card and telling her to call you when she's not busy. It's very unlikely you'll get the boyfriend objection from this kind of approach, although it does sometimes happen.

Once you've started giving out your business card to many girls a week, you'll naturally weed out the ones who want you from the ones who don't.

If a girl DOES give you the boyfriend objection, there are several 'comebacks' you can use. I usually tell them 'Well maybe it's time you upgraded to a MAN-friend instead of BOY-friend then!' Women say they want a MAN, not a boy, so I'm giving them the perfect opportunity!

As you now realise, the whole line 'I've got a boyfriend' is very ambiguous. It might be true, it might not. Since you're not a mind-reader and you haven't got a crystal ball that tells you whether she's lying or not, all you can do is do your approach as normal and then see how it pans out.

Once girls start calling you, you might get girls tell you they have a boyfriend but still want to see you. This is where things get a bit 'dodgy'. I've been on dates with girls who have boyfriends before, and it usually doesn't turn out pretty since the boyfriend usually gets jealous and starts hating me.

If a girl is in a monogamous relationship with a guy, yet is willing to cheat with someone she's just met, that proves she's dishonest, untrustworthy and doesn't respect her boyfriend. Would you really want to go out with a girl who is a liar and who you can't trust? **** no! We're real men, we don't put up with that ****.

But if you don't know if she's got a boyfriend and you see her, it's not your problem. If you've asked her, or better still not asked her, and she hasn't mentioned a boyfriend, ASSUME SHE DOESN'T HAVE ONE AND CARRY ON AS NORMAL.

I've found this the best way to handle the 'boyfriend' problem.

Also, there's another few points I want to make. A lot of girls are 'sort of seeing' guys, but are not that seriously involved with those guys. They will often refer to those guys as 'boyfriends', but in reality they are just beta guys that the girl is seeing until someone better and more alpha (like me or you!) comes along. So even if a girl says she 'has a boyfriend', you are most likely to be far more alpha and far more exciting than him anyway.

Anyway, a girlfriend-boyfriend relationship is not a marriage...who cares if she's got a boyfriend...you are the kind of man she's looking for, her 'borefriend' is probably just that, boring and predictable.

Most guys don't know how to handle disrespect or bad behaviour from women, and therefore end up letting a woman control them and take control of the relationship. Women lose attraction and respect for these guys. Also, most men are very bad in bed. They don't know how to give women orgasms. So guys, next time you hear the 'I've got a boyfriend' line, just smile, say to her 'Well maybe it's time you upgraded to a MAN-friend', and then give her your business card and tell her you'd love to get to know her and tell her to give you a call when she's not too busy.

Odds are she's either lying about 'having a boyfriend', or she's in an unhappy/unsatisfying relationship....in which case all the more reason for you to carry on as normal with her.

Good luck!

No it won't. Any women who's intrigued by an idiot like that is just a bit odd to be honest.


I really wouldn't advise any other guys reading this to take any notice of this. You might get lucky very occasionally, but generally, you'll just make the girl feel uncomfortable. Also, girls aren't just there to be hit on, or 'broken down'. The way you speak about women is incredibly misogynistic really. You don't sound clued up about women at all - how many of these girls who have supposedly fallen for your tactics have actually turned into relationships?

I read nearly all the responses on this thread and again, you were right. The other haters grouping up to try and negating your points by twisting your words are just being very silly and not helpful.

The point was the 'i have a boyfriend' line can be broken down into different meanings. You just want to investigate further which of the meanings are correct in the girl's case. It's not treating women like toys (an example of how the haters tried to twist your words deliberately). It's just that you're interested in them and want to know whether they are telling the truth or not. If they are, you will obviously walk away. Simple. But the haters just don't get that. Don't worry anyway, those haters are probably mostly kids or young teenagers who don't know how to debate constructively and don't want to be left "out of the group". So they join others in calling you a creep, weirdo etc. See what I mean. Childish nonsense like that ain't needed in debates. Some of them are probably being ultra-defensive about the topic like you mentioned earlier.

Like I said i agreed with your points generally and it's great to learn from someone who has had some REAL experience with women and understands some things about them.

They see you rollin' they hatin'

Thank you. You are someone who GETS the message of what I've written in this thread. You have my respect for this.

The girls who replied here DON'T GET IT. They couldn't present a convincing argument to me, and instead just twisted what I was saying to make me out as some 'misogynist', etc, and just gave me a bunch of meaningless 'personal insults'.

Cable summed it up nicely.

I think I can safely say I've won this debate. It's been fun. Do take care folks.

perhaps you're looking in the wrong places? and don't give up even if you can't find anyone single; people often overlook the fact that relationships always change over time, and most of them will end. If you find a girl that you really like then be a friend to her and maybe she'll break up and she'll think of you after then.

good luck!

Broken them down, i.e. instead of just accepting their words at face value I delve a little deeper to get to the REAL TRUTH.

If a girl DOES give you the boyfriend objection, there are several 'comebacks' you can use. I usually tell them 'Well maybe it's time you upgraded to a MAN-friend instead of BOY-friend then!' Women say they want a MAN, not a boy, so I'm giving them the perfect opportunity!

Broken them down? Que?

Is this social chit-chat or Guantanamo Bay?

I'm not a violent person, but my instant reaction to reading this was ' that deserves such a slap round the face'

and you'd be right