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    (Original post by SamCrossMan)
    How does that make me naive?
    Because some police officers are thugs. Not all, and not most. But a very very small minority are. There have been many instances in recent times of police officers going way over the mark in the amount of violence or force used.
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    (Original post by Aj12)
    "The policeman offered to get him an ambulance but he was in shock and didn't know how serious it was."


    So the policeman says...
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    (Original post by Barden)
    So the policeman says...
    No the boy's friend I think it was.
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    (Original post by yawn)
    The previous Labour Government was elected by the voters. That's democratic.

    A government that is not elected by the voters...as is the coalition government, is not democratic because we didn't want this outcome when we voted.

    I want to live in a democratic country where the people's wishes are adhered to, not a hotch-potch mix of two parties, neither of which was given a majority by the electorate ride roughshod over the wishes of the electorate and put themselves into government.

    Moving to North Korea would not change anything because we've got it's 'like' here already!

    Up the Student Protesters. May you remember how badly you've been treated long into adulthood...and certainly each time the Tory and Lib Dem parties put themselves up for election!

    You talk utter rubbish!!! No party won a larger enough overall majority, hence the hung parliament - which is exactly what the voters voted for, as for saying that British Government is the same as the dictatorship in North Korea just reinforces the notion that students are idiots and have no understanding of the real world outside their own selfish interests. Grow up.
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    (Original post by WelshBluebird)
    And I am making the reasonable assumption that as we do not have any evidence to suggest the contrary, that he was not being violent.
    Even if we take the middle ground, that we don't know so its pointless assuming things. Then how the hell does that justify the comments of "he deserved it"?
    I worry about this country. I really do.
    Oh I see where you are heading with this, we cannot prove anything unless we know all the facts, and that we are not allowed to make any assumptions whatsoever. You sir, confuse me.
    He was rioting, and he got hurt, he deserved it, if you cannot see how I made that decision, you're blind.
    Also note how he could have lied about this, if you're mum caught you in this situation, would you admit you were rioting in the attempt to cause damage? This only points more in favour of what I am saying
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    (Original post by Eloades11)
    He was rioting
    But that is where the problem is. You don't know that he was rioting.
    I'm sure that if it was you on the end of the baton, you would be taking a totally different viewpoint.
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    (Original post by Duncan Idaho)
    the headlines on the news channels are of the welfare claimant and his wife having their bentley splattered with paint!

    meanwhile a student had a 3 hour operation to ease bleeding on his brain after getting beaten by police

    This tells you how bias the media is
    Like you aren't bias? He was struck ONCE that's hardly beaten.

    If the police officers crowded around him and started hitting him while he was against the floor that would have been "beaten".
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    (Original post by WelshBluebird)
    Because some police officers are thugs. Not all, and not most. But a very very small minority are. There have been many instances in recent times of police officers going way over the mark in the amount of violence or force used.
    I'm not denying that, but its more likely that he was mixed in with a crowd that got too close to the police and ended up getting hurt.

    tbh if you don't want to get hurt, don't go to a protest that will most likely turn nasty.
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    (Original post by WelshBluebird)
    Because some police officers are thugs. Not all, and not most. But a very very small minority are. There have been many instances in recent times of police officers going way over the mark in the amount of violence or force used.
    Can I also add to why this person is naive -
    Because in Sociology terms, the media is a secondary agency of socialisation, but very close to being a primary agency.
    This means, that the media influences a persons norms/values/beliefs etc. In this case, this person has clearly been influenced by the news on TV, showing how the police are clearly the victims. The media are bias to the tories, and why? Because the tories are funding the BBC.

    The police aren't the victims! I'm from the north of England, 4-5 hours away from London by car. My college put a coach on to London for the protest, and I myself along with my peers were hit by batons, while we were pleading to be let free..by this time we were going to miss our coach back home. Luckily, some of us managed to get out, but quite a few were stuck in parliament square, and had to stay in occupations for the night until this morning, where they could get help and a way to get home.
    Also, a guy who was with us who I didnt know, got pulled out of the crowd by the police, and beaten on the floor until he was almost sick.

    Its completely narrow minded, for people to say the police are the victims here, when they should look at the real story.
    I'm not saying the police didnt get hurt, because they did. But the police were giving it back to the students just as bad.
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    Tbh, i used to live in Haare from 1994 - 1999. You are lucky he wasn't either filled in with an AK butt, or merely just shot.
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    I was under the impression that Police weren't allowed to strike blows to the head.
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    (Original post by Eloades11)
    don't even TRY and explain that this guy didnt deserve it, he get what was coming.
    Like others have said, if he was a quite protester waving a sign then trying to say he did deserve it is completely moronic and unjust. He didn't have to be at the front, he could of been in the middle when the horses split the crowd.. you dont know, neither do i so lets reserve the extreme opinions regarding a serious injury until you see some photos/cctv etc.

    If however, he was throwing things at the front and abusing police then its a case of playing with fire and getting burned.

    (Original post by Eloades11)
    I'm not against the use of protests, but in this case, all the protests against the tuition fees are stupid, and rioting is just savage.
    No protest is ever stupid and human nature is savage, of course some people who feel strongly about the issue will physically react as well as other people who have nothing to do with it but still feel the same oppression or anger. People aren't angry for no reason and people dont just smash **** for no reason. No matter how savage you think it is there is some thought behind it.

    (Original post by Eloades11)
    They deserve maximum punishment if you ask me.
    Well hopefully no one will ever ask you for an opinion on anything ever.

    (Original post by Eloades11)
    And dont try and tell me that im not affected by the rise in tuition fee's, because I am, see me complaining about it though? No
    So.. you admit that it affects you, yet you choose to do nothing and wish others to do the same? I can assume the effect is minimal and you dont care? but wait your in this thread so you obviously think one of the worst opinions i've seen on here so far has any sort of concrete base when in reality its beyond terrible.

    The fact you dont even stick up for someone protesting something that will affect you as you say or even bother to do anything about it yourself makes me think you cannot possibly be a fully thinking open minded human being and more a submissive droid who just accepts 'whatever'
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    Very sad indeed-sadly some protestors turned up for violance and the police overreacted and made things worse through their actions...
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    I see you didn't mention the part where students were throwing objects at the police and smashing windows/destroying CCTV.....
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    (Original post by yawn)
    According to the link, his mum says he was trying to get away from the kettling as he wasn't involved in any violence and thought he would be allowed to leave. Instead he got hit on the head by a police officers cosh...so it seems he was an easy target for the police to vent their anger on, as you say.

    One could see that individual police officers couldn't stand the heat and should have got out of the kitchen...in fact, some of their colleagues were seen trying to remove them from the source of their irritation. Those sort who can't keep a check on their anger should not be recruited to the force in the first place...they belong in the army.
    I agree
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    (Original post by Get Real)
    I was under the impression that Police weren't allowed to strike blows to the head.
    They are allowed to use any force deemed reasonable. So if the boy had a weapon or was trying to punch the cop in the face something along those lines then this is fully jutified. The bleeding on the brain is just a very unfortunate thing to happen.
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    (Original post by EggmanD)
    Like others have said, if he was a quite protester waving a sign then trying to say he did deserve it is completely moronic and unjust. He didn't have to be at the front, he could of been in the middle when the horses split the crowd.. you dont know, neither do i so lets reserve the extreme opinions regarding a serious injury until you see some photos/cctv etc.

    What are the chances that a quiet protester ends up in the front lines of a riot?


    No protest is ever stupid and human nature is savage, of course some people who feel strongly about the issue will physically react as well as other people who have nothing to do with it but still feel the same oppression or anger. People aren't angry for no reason and people dont just smash **** for no reason. No matter how savage you think it is there is some thought behind it.
    no protest is ever stupid? If the students fully understand this protest, they will see it is stupid, we have to cut funds because our government is in debt, so we have to do this somehow. I honestly feel this is the best way, everyone is going to complain whatever cuts are made. This is a good choice.

    second bold bit is a complete and utter lie, I don't need to explain that, and if you think I do, you should open your eyes to the real world

    So.. you admit that it affects you, yet you choose to do nothing and wish others to do the same? I can assume the effect is minimal and you dont care? but wait your in this thread so you obviously think one of the worst opinions i've seen on here so far has any sort of concrete base when in reality its beyond terrible.
    As I said before, we do not have to pay it back all at once, we only start paying it back when we earn a good amount, and after a certain amount of years it gets written off anyway. We need cuts, where would you suggest we make them?

    The fact you dont even stick up for someone protesting something that will affect you as you say or even bother to do anything about it yourself makes me think you cannot possibly be a fully thinking open minded human being and more a submissive droid who just accepts 'whatever'
    You assume that because I accept this means I accept any changes the government makes? I accept this yes, but there are things I don't accept, i'm just too educated to go out and smash things to get my own way. I would not accept a decrease in my hourly wages. Would I go and smash things because of it? No, you clearly are one of them people who will say whats on their mind, but its a shame you cant see the most obvious things, which change people opinions completely
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    (Original post by raari)
    Can I also add to why this person is naive -
    Because in Sociology terms, the media is a secondary agency of socialisation, but very close to being a primary agency.
    This means, that the media influences a persons norms/values/beliefs etc. In this case, this person has clearly been influenced by the news on TV, showing how the police are clearly the victims. The media are bias to the tories, and why? Because the tories are funding the BBC.

    The police aren't the victims! I'm from the north of England, 4-5 hours away from London by car. My college put a coach on to London for the protest, and I myself along with my peers were hit by batons, while we were pleading to be let free..by this time we were going to miss our coach back home. Luckily, some of us managed to get out, but quite a few were stuck in parliament square, and had to stay in occupations for the night until this morning, where they could get help and a way to get home.
    Also, a guy who was with us who I didnt know, got pulled out of the crowd by the police, and beaten on the floor until he was almost sick.

    Its completely narrow minded, for people to say the police are the victims here, when they should look at the real story.
    I'm not saying the police didnt get hurt, because they did. But the police were giving it back to the students just as bad.

    so who forced you to go, again?
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    (Original post by Eloades11)
    What are the chances that a quiet protester ends up in the front lines of a riot?
    Could get dragged in from anywhere. Not like its a designated event, quite people here rioting people there lol

    (Original post by Eloades11)
    no protest is ever stupid? If the students fully understand this protest, they will see it is stupid, we have to cut funds because our government is in debt, so we have to do this somehow. I honestly feel this is the best way, everyone is going to complain whatever cuts are made. This is a good choice.
    I dont disagree and i supported the cuts lol, but i will defend anyones right to protest and i think that those who feel anything towards an issue should do something rather than just lap up what they dont accept with a shrug.

    (Original post by Eloades11)
    second bold bit is a complete and utter lie, I don't need to explain that, and if you think I do, you should open your eyes to the real world
    The real world where every single person thinks about what they do and express themselves how they see fit or the real world where people are caged like animals in social structures.. or the real world where the distribution of everything from money to resources to medical care is ridiculously unfair? or the real world where thousands of people die from curable diseases or even the real world where the queens a lizard and the world will end in 2012 and everyone needs a tin foil hat? etc

    Whatever way you look at it, theres always something that people feel strongly about and some people express this and others suppress it, thats all there is too it.



    (Original post by Eloades11)
    As I said before, we do not have to pay it back all at once, we only start paying it back when we earn a good amount, and after a certain amount of years it gets written off anyway. We need cuts, where would you suggest we make them?
    Well personally i think the economic system, originally based on some useless shiny things that has evolved into a greedy culture of screwing people out of a bit of paper which is does grow on trees which a value that fluctuates by such ridiculous amounts and we believe it somehow a measure of something real and useful, is a ****ing joke that future generations will laugh at harder than if an archeologist found a square wheel.

    But back to the cuts, like i said before, on this system i think they were made in the right place.


    (Original post by Eloades11)
    You assume that because I accept this means I accept any changes the government makes? I accept this yes, but there are things I don't accept
    Well you said it affected you and personally i wouldn't accept anything that would in a bad way.

    (Original post by Eloades11)
    i'm just too educated to go out and smash things to get my own way. ]I would not accept a decrease in my hourly wages. Would I go and smash things because of it? No
    Oh well, some people who are more intelligent than you will. You say 'education' like you got a few A's and a good degree and think its some sort of all encompassing eternal problem solving where marching to the school drum somehow relates to being better than everyone else.

    (Original post by Eloades11)
    you clearly are one of them people who will say whats on their mind, but its a shame you cant see the most obvious things, which change people opinions completely
    :confused:

    I think the most obvious thing would be the corrupt system we have with illogical and easily manipulated factors.

    And i speak my mind because i have one. If you dont then well, i guess you dont.
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    I'm not trying to agree with the violence. I am just saying it is a sad day when someone goes to protest against something they feel is wrong, and ends up in hospital because of the actions of the police. As far as we know, he was being peaceful (there is nothing to suggest otherwise). Plus, if he was being violent, I doubt the copper would have been so quick to offer to get an ambulance

    (Original post by Eloades11)
    What are the chances that a quiet protester ends up in the front lines of a riot?
    When they are trying to find a way to leave the area, then the chances are actually quite high.
    Added to that are the fact police charged through on horseback. Thus splitting the front of the protest, and exposing people who were further behind.

    (Original post by musicforsanity)
    By the way, many of you are failing to mention the fact that there was a section of the area left open for protestors to leave if they wished.
    Except that when people went to the area where they were told they could leave from, they were just kettled again and charged at by the police horses.
 
 
 
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