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    (Original post by TheQuickestSilver)
    The only reason everyone is kicking off and being rude to me is because I expressed that I think it is wrong for gays to be in the army and obviously a lot of people took offence like yourself because you think I'm discriminating against you.
    Actually I think the main reason why people are arguing against you is because, to put it simply, you're wrong. Now I know opinion is just that, opinion, however the Ministry Of Defence has actually said that allowing gay people to serve openly has had no negative affect at all on the British army, which means your opinion is hard to argue given that the body which clearly knows the most about this is disagreeing with you. Mark Chapman, head of diversity for the British Army said:

    "We got to the point where the policy was incompatible with military service and there was a lack of logic and evidence to support it... We knew a lot of gay and lesbian people were serving quite successfully, and it was clear that sexual orientation wasn’t an indication of how good a soldier or officer you could be... The reality was that those serving in the army were the same people the day after we lifted the ban, so there was no notable change at all. Everybody carried on with their duties and had the same working relationships as they previously had while the ban was in place".

    Colonel Abraham argues that the lifting of the ban actually made the armed forces more productive: "A lot of gay and lesbian soldiers who were in the army before the ban was lifted, reported that a percentage of their efforts was spent looking over their shoulder and ensuring they weren’t going to be caught. That percentage of time can now be devoted to work and their home life, so actually they are more effective than they were before."

    Now if the Army itself is saying that the ban on openly gay soldiers was needless, why are you still arguing for it? You have yet to provide solid proof that a ban is a good thing and you haven't refuted any points seriously. People are willing to have a serious debate with you, but only if you take the debate seriously and actually argue your point, which you have yet to do.
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    (Original post by The-Infamous)
    Eh...? That's like saying "If everyone was fine with homosexuality this would be ok, right?". Your question answers itself.

    But the fact of the matter is, everyone isn't alright with man love and rightly so! It's completely sick, twisted and wrong.
    So, why exactly are you against homosexual relationships, and why exactly are they wrong - which you can't simply claim as fact, in the way that you just did, as right and wrong are subjective.

    Also, I actually said, if everyone was comfortable with homosexual relationships, the OP's proposal was a decent idea.
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    (Original post by The-Infamous)
    Eh...? That's like saying "If everyone was fine with homosexuality this would be ok, right?". Your question answers itself.

    But the fact of the matter is, everyone isn't alright with man love and rightly so! It's completely sick, twisted and wrong.
    Ah, another homophobe. Funny how know one can ever put up an argument as to why its "sick, twisted and wrong". Its complete ignorance
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    (Original post by The-Infamous)
    It's completely... wrong.
    Why is it 'wrong'?
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    (Original post by DaveSmith99)
    After the way you have conducted yourself in this thread I can safely say that you are indeed a prick.
    Haha what? the way I conducted myself, all I did was simply stick up for myself while you all dug into me for apparently being a homophobe. So how on earth does that make me a prick, and if that is your thinking behind it then surely that makes you a prick as well for sticking up for yourself, so can you and all your gay freinds stop ganging up on me please, It's a free world and I'm aloud to have my own opinion and you yours. I don't know what's wrong with you people. You just love someone to hate for expressing an opinion different to others. Jeez
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    (Original post by TheQuickestSilver)
    Haha what? the way I conducted myself, all I did was simply stick up for myself while you all dug into me for apparently being a homophobe. So how on earth does that make me a prick, and if that is your thinking behind it then surely that makes you a prick as well for sticking up for yourself, so can you and all your gay freinds stop ganging up on me please, It's a free world and I'm aloud to have my own opinion and you yours. I don't know what's wrong with you people. You just love someone to hate for expressing an opinion different to others. Jeez
    I would agree that you have not conducted yourself at all well during this discussion - and I use the word discussion lightly.

    We are all still eagerly awaiting some justification for your earlier statements, btw.

    Ps. I imagine most of us arguing with you, myself included, are in fact, not gay.
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    This is one of the reasons why I will always oppose religion.

    It is religion that spawned this widespread anti-homosexual behaviour.
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    I'm not sure gays in the army is a good thing. It might distort a little the buddy relationships soldiers have.
    On the other hand, discrimination of any form is unlawful, and should be eradicated.

    Meh, I don't know about this one. Pretty complex problem to be honest.
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    (Original post by Phil2202)
    I would agree that you have not conducted yourself at all well during this discussion - and I use the word discussion lightly.

    We are all still eagerly awaiting some justification for your earlier statements, btw.

    Ps. I imagine most of us arguing with you, myself included, are in fact, not gay.
    In what way have I not conducted myself properly? Honestly all I have done is stated my beliefs and opinions and I have had a load of people be personally rude and hate on me for it? :confused:

    You don't want to discuss anything all you guys want is someone to hate, which is not a good way of conducted yourself either is it. And as stated before my sources are that my father served for 20 years in the Royal Engineers regiment, went to Iraq, Alfganistan e.t.c and I have had several in depth discussions about this with him, also my older brother is gay and he agrees that it wouldn't be a good/ right idea for them to be serving on the front line. And before you mindlessly hate on me back please read what I have had to say and respect it, if you have anything good to say back make sure it's worth my time.
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    (Original post by TheQuickestSilver)
    In what way have I not conducted myself properly? Honestly all I have done is stated my beliefs and opinions and I have had a load of people be personally rude and hate on me for it? :confused:

    You don't want to discuss anything all you guys want is someone to hate, which is not a good way of conducted yourself either is it. And as stated before my sources are that my father served for 20 years in the Royal Engineers regiment, went to Iraq, Alfganistan e.t.c and I have had several in depth discussions about this with him, also my older brother is gay and he agrees that it wouldn't be a good/ right idea for them to be serving on the front line. And before you mindlessly hate on me back please read what I have had to say and respect it, if you have anything good to say back make sure it's worth my time.
    Just because you know of a gay person who doesn't think gay people should be on the front line, and someone who was in the army themselves agreeing with them does not mean that you are justified.

    I actually think you have given a valid reason, however you have also assumed that gay people WILL form a relationship with other gays in the army. You also seem to think that distractions only come in the form of love and lust. Are you that naive? Every soldier has to put aside his feelings and issues in some form, home worries, other unrelated personal issues etc. I don't see why gay people could not do the same with their issues.
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    (Original post by TheQuickestSilver)
    In what way have I not conducted myself properly? Honestly all I have done is stated my beliefs and opinions and I have had a load of people be personally rude and hate on me for it? :confused:

    You don't want to discuss anything all you guys want is someone to hate, which is not a good way of conducted yourself either is it. And as stated before my sources are that my father served for 20 years in the Royal Engineers regiment, went to Iraq, Alfganistan e.t.c and I have had several in depth discussions about this with him, also my older brother is gay and he agrees that it wouldn't be a good/ right idea for them to be serving on the front line. And before you mindlessly hate on me back please read what I have had to say and respect it, if you have anything good to say back make sure it's worth my time.
    No, actually, what you've been is quite rude. Also you keep spouting about how people should respect your belief, and then refuse to consider contradictory beliefs or evidence, taking them as personal attacks.

    Now, onto your second paragraph. Firstly, we don't even know if your Dad and brother even exist, or at least in the forms in which you present them.

    Secondly, just because your father is supposedly in the army, his opinion is not automatically correct.

    Thirdly, the fact that your brother is supposedly homosexual also does not make his opinion correct in regards to homosexuals being allowed to serve in the armed forced. Nor does it prove that you are not a homophobe, as this apparent lack of tension between you and your brother could easily be fictitious, as indeed could your brother.

    The evidence being presented contrary to your beliefs is however, definitely not fabricated, and I would therefore give it precedence over your evidence. It is also gathered from a far more respectable source, giving it yet more weight over your evidence.

    I'd also like to point out that at no point have I "mindlessly hated on you", and that most of the people here are not here to hate on you either. They simply think you are wrong, and you refuse to accept that their counter arguments hold any weight, which understandably gets people's backs up, especially when you are condemning a large proportion of the population, and quite unfairly since you lack any reliable evidence at all to support your argument.
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    (Original post by TheQuickestSilver)
    In what way have I not conducted myself properly? Honestly all I have done is stated my beliefs and opinions and I have had a load of people be personally rude and hate on me for it? :confused:

    You don't want to discuss anything all you guys want is someone to hate, which is not a good way of conducted yourself either is it. And as stated before my sources are that my father served for 20 years in the Royal Engineers regiment, went to Iraq, Alfganistan e.t.c and I have had several in depth discussions about this with him, also my older brother is gay and he agrees that it wouldn't be a good/ right idea for them to be serving on the front line. And before you mindlessly hate on me back please read what I have had to say and respect it, if you have anything good to say back make sure it's worth my time.
    (Original post by TheQuickestSilver)
    Contradiction? My attitudes disgusting? hmm yeah sure. My father has served in the Royal Engineers for 20 years and has only just been relised from duty this year and I'm sure he and his fellow colleague's would agree with me here. So piss off you imature little girl,[U]the army is no place for gays!
    BAD MOVE
    What a big contradictory drama. Your information is impaired, I don't trust you anymore :lolwut: Some of us here are incredibly skilled, mind you.

    Anyway, have you ever wonder why you were being hated by the TSRians? I don't hate you,really. But I find your behaviour extremely childish. This is the point of your life where you realise the world is a bigger place, and there are all kind of people out there. When people collectively attack on you, it is time to accept that there is something wrong with you.
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    (Original post by BlackDog89)
    Ah, another homophobe. Funny how know one can ever put up an argument as to why its "sick, twisted and wrong". Its complete ignorance
    "oh noes another dat dere homephobe"

    Why would I need to put up an argument as to why it's sick/twisted/wrong? One of our main objectives is to reproduce, you know that penis you have there? It's there to make offspring, not to be shoved up another mans ass.
    (Original post by TheQuickestSilver)
    In what way have I not conducted myself properly? Honestly all I have done is stated my beliefs and opinions and I have had a load of people be personally rude and hate on me for it? :confused:

    You don't want to discuss anything all you guys want is someone to hate, which is not a good way of conducted yourself either is it. And as stated before my sources are that my father served for 20 years in the Royal Engineers regiment, went to Iraq, Alfganistan e.t.c and I have had several in depth discussions about this with him, also my older brother is gay and he agrees that it wouldn't be a good/ right idea for them to be serving on the front line. And before you mindlessly hate on me back please read what I have had to say and respect it, if you have anything good to say back make sure it's worth my time.
    Just leave it lol. **** hate it when others do not share the same opinion as themselves about homosexuality. I completely agree with you but you have to put yourself into a gay persons shoes - obviously they are not going to like the idea of being banned from something (in this case being the army) because of their sexuality.
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    (Original post by manthew)
    BAD MOVE
    What a big contradictory drama. Your information is impaired, I don't trust you anymore :lolwut: Some of us here are incredibly skilled, mind you.

    Anyway, have you ever wonder why you were being hated by the TSRians? I don't hate you,really. But I find your behaviour extremely childish. This is the point of your life where you realise the world is a bigger place, and there are all kind of people out there. When people collectively attack on you, it is time to accept that there is something wrong with you.
    Good work team :p:

    (Original post by The-Infamous)
    Just leave it lol. **** hate it when others do not share the same opinion as themselves about homosexuality. I completely agree with you but you have to put yourself into a gay persons shoes - obviously they are not going to like the idea of being banned from something (in this case being the army) because of their sexuality.
    Lol well of course they don't like being excluded because of their sexuality! How would you feel if the government decreed that all straight people had to wear shoes made out of barbed wire or something? Or to make the situation more relevant, straight people are excluded from the army?
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    (Original post by The-Infamous)
    Why would I need to put up an argument as to why it's sick/twisted/wrong? One of our main objectives is to reproduce, you know that penis you have there? It's there to make offspring, not to be shoved up another mans ass.
    Because using something for an action other than it's designated function does not make something "sick, twisted, and wrong".
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    (Original post by manthew)
    BAD MOVE
    What a big contradictory drama. Your information is impaired, I don't trust you anymore :lolwut: Some of us here are incredibly skilled, mind you.

    Anyway, have you ever wonder why you were being hated by the TSRians? I don't hate you,really. But I find your behaviour extremely childish. This is the point of your life where you realise the world is a bigger place, and there are all kind of people out there. When people collectively attack on you, it is time to accept that there is something wrong with you.
    How was that a bad move? what are you talking about?...

    No I havn't ever wondered why TSR users have hated me because to be honest this is the first thread in which I have received neg rep and hate comments so if you look at all my other posts people are often very freindly and positive about what I have to say + to me this is an internet forum which I use to find out about propect uni's and not one where I get some sort of life/ freinds out of, so if people hate me for my opinion then so be it. I don't believe my behaviour to be childish because I am not acting any different what you and your friends have, infact your acting more childish by all ganging up and heckling one person for expressing his opinion and not believing/ accepting anything I have to say, just mindlessly hating on people. I belief some people call it trolling.
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    What this thread has turned into. :sigh:
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    (Original post by TheQuickestSilver)
    Why is he disgusting? errm because he is trying to insult the whole British army by saying that they all probably bum each other, when they are risking their life for queen and country to keep people like you safe (I personally don't know why). And IRL no no one has ever 'broken my face', haha silly person.
    When did he he say that the army all bum each other? All he said was that his dad was gay and fitted in fine, meaning that gays are a-ok in the army. And even if he was implying that the whole army bums each other, is that really an insult? it's the same as saying all the of the army shag women; there's nothing insulting about the idea of them all having sex - what you seem to have a problem with is the idea that some of them might be doing it with men.
    People like ME, eh? What's that supposed to mean? Because I don't immediate hate on gays in the army, I suddenly don't deserve their protection? Love you way of thinking, you should totally run for PM one day.

    I wish someone would, you're a bit of a prat. hahahha silly homophobe.
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    (Original post by TheQuickestSilver)
    How was that a bad move? what are you talking about?...
    Basically, you told me that you had had in depth discussions with you dad, but earlier in the thread you said that you were sure that he "would" agree with you, indicating that you were merely speculating, and had in fact not discussed this with your father.

    Not that it matters anyway, because we don't even know your dad's in the army at all.
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    (Original post by Phil2202)
    Good work team :p:



    Lol well of course they don't like being excluded because of their sexuality! How would you feel if the government decreed that all straight people had to wear shoes made out of barbed wire or something? Or to make the situation more relevant, straight people are excluded from the army?
    Your so immature in how your trying to work in a team and gang up on those with opinions that differ to your own. What is wrong with people having different opinions on things? it is not a crime, infact its the very least we are entitled to. Look if you want to serve in the army then go ahead but I'm 100% sure you will have a tough time in there and the other soldiers will not be quite as accepting of your sexuality as the people on TSR. Good luck.
 
 
 
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