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    (Original post by taigan)
    No it isn't wrong. Sorry to disagree with practically everyone on this thread, but the fact that this was voted to pass means that the majority of nations in the UN are in favour of it, thus, their opinion is the majority. They are the norm, if you will. I'm not saying that I agree with this, because I definitely do not. However, the fact that you think you can impose your beliefs on people of other cultures is not in spirit of the UK's self-proclaimed multicultural nature. This is no different then countries who ban alcohol, drugs etc.
    I am the only person to pos rep you.

    People think it's bad when you highlight that this is true democracy. People expect their beliefs to be better than others.

    Of course I disagree with this too, but we can't just impose our beliefs on other nations.

    This is why the UN is BS.
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    (Original post by Lewroll)
    You cant be killed for being gay, you will just be killed for doing gay acts. So just dont get caught and everything will be fine. Obviously this means no more sex in public for the gay people.
    But in places like Saudi Arabia it includes what you do in the vicinity of your own home
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    (Original post by S129439)
    I am the only person to pos rep you.

    People think it's bad when you highlight that this is true democracy. People expect their beliefs to be better than others.

    Of course I disagree with this too, but we can't just impose our beliefs on other nations.

    This is why the UN is BS.
    Take a look at the list of nations who voted in favour of this and you will see many of the nations are far from true democracies.
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    (Original post by YoshiJoshi)
    This is so funny. :rofl:

    None of you liberals or champaign-socialists are going to agree with me here but all of your replies are so typical of the hypocrisy of America and other Western nations:

    Democracy: woot: majority's consensus is right! That's the basis that we invade other countries on, right? But when the majority in a fair and objective body vote for something you liberal pansy-fancy students don't like, then it's "why was this vote even held?", "this is appalling", "the UN is useless and shouldn't even exist!".

    Yet when the UN comes out with a Resolution against Iraq, enough for you to invade on, you all lap it up! We love the UN!

    Democratic principles when it suits you - otherwise your views are supreme and will be forced down the throats of everybody else in the world, whether they like it or not. Very fair students. You'll all hate this and I'll get thumbed-down I know, but you know (deep down) that it is true. So there.
    Okay, okay settle down.

    Firstly, I can understand the source of hypocrisy you see. However, I think a lot of people who would say there are pro-democracy do not believe that every, single, last decision in the world should be determined by democratic vote- it is not that absolute. Human rights are an example of such- they should be inalienable, and majority consensus should not be allowed to remove the rights of the minority.
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    (Original post by Lewis :D)
    But in places like Saudi Arabia it includes what you do in the vicinity of your own home
    How will they find out? (unless someone tells them, im sure lots of people do it, just keep it quiet)
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    (Original post by DaveSmith99)
    Take a look at the list of nations who voted in favour of this and you will see many of the nations are far from true democracies.
    That's not what I mean.

    I mean the rulings of the UN are made democratically. We expect a democracy in the UK but when democracy doesn't align with our views outside of it we are disgusted. I don't agree with the ruling but unfortunately we have to accept the ruling.
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    (Original post by S129439)
    That's not what I mean.

    I mean the rulings of the UN are made democratically. We expect a democracy in the UK but when democracy doesn't align with our views outside of it we are disgusted. I don't agree with the ruling but unfortunately we have to accept the ruling.
    But when many of the nations are run by dictators and corrupt governments the ruling is not very democratic at all.
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    (Original post by Lewroll)
    You cant be killed for being gay, you will just be killed for doing gay acts. So just dont get caught and everything will be fine. Obviously this means no more sex in public for the gay people.
    You're wrong. This is not about sex. This is about acceptance. Not having to worry. Not being told the feelings you naturally feel and have no control over are punishable by death. If they are killing people for sexual acts, do you think two gay men being together is going to go down well too? Or do you think if people found out you were in a gay relationship, everything is going to be fine, dandy and smelling of roses? I think anyone thought to be gay would have a horrific time living in a state in which even the government is in favour of their persecution... let alone what the people think.

    Stop living in such black and white. Because it is not reality.
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    (Original post by S129439)
    I am the only person to pos rep you.

    People think it's bad when you highlight that this is true democracy. People expect their beliefs to be better than others.

    Of course I disagree with this too, but we can't just impose our beliefs on other nations.

    This is why the UN is BS.
    No. Because standing up for what is right is being human, and having a heart.
    Should we have just let Hitler keep killing Jews, after all it was his opinion?

    You're wrong wrong wrong.
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    (Original post by Folderol)
    Just out of interest, does that make it any better? Do you think homosexuals having sex in their own home should be killed?
    Well yes it is relatively better, because one is actually what exists in practice today and the other is something which doesn't exist in any state to my knowledge. The second question is also irrelevant (unsurprisingly unfortunately) because it is also not relevant. Sodomy (not homosexuality because it doesn't apply to females) is prohibited in public property for everyone.
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    (Original post by YoshiJoshi)
    But do you feel for the millions and millions of Africans starving to death? All those orphans in Africa whose families are torn apart with AIDS due to the Pope? All those in the Middle East who are bombed day in and day out and live in perpetual fear and anxiety? All those natives of America and New Zealand and Australia who are forced to live in squalor as their homes are ravished by the West?

    Because these are all problems that the West created and sustains, daily.

    Other nations cause the suffering of only a meagre fraction, the tiniest proportion, to open gays and lesbians - and you lament those poor souls.

    COmpletely oblivious to the proportionally gigantic suffering the so-called "advanced countries" have unleashed on the innocent world and its inhabitants.

    You hypocrites make me sick.



    My post also applies to you, fool.
    Fool? You are the fool. How can anyone justify killing people over their sexual orientation- which they are born as. 7-10 % of the world's population is non-heterosexual...go figure!
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    (Original post by taigan)
    No it isn't wrong. Sorry to disagree with practically everyone on this thread, but the fact that this was voted to pass means that the majority of nations in the UN are in favour of it, thus, their opinion is the majority. They are the norm, if you will. I'm not saying that I agree with this, because I definitely do not. However, the fact that you think you can impose your beliefs on people of other cultures is not in spirit of the UK's self-proclaimed multicultural nature. This is no different then countries who ban alcohol, drugs etc.
    I agree 100%.
    But turns out most people on TSR are to narrow minded.
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    (Original post by robbo3045)
    You're wrong. This is not about sex. This is about acceptance. Not having to worry. Not being told the feelings you naturally feel and have no control over are punishable by death. If they are killing people for sexual acts, do you think two gay men being together is going to go down well too? Or do you think if people found out you were in a gay relationship, everything is going to be fine, dandy and smelling of roses? I think anyone thought to be gay would have a horrific time living in a state in which even the government is in favour of their persecution... let alone what the people think.

    Stop living in such black and white. Because it is not reality.
    I was merely pointing out if the gay people dont act gay then they wont be killed. Which is true.
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    (Original post by Lewroll)
    I was merely pointing out if the gay people dont act gay then they wont be killed. Which is true.
    But they're not acting gay, they are gay. It's like saying 'you're black, but if you don't act it you won't be killed'
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    (Original post by taigan)
    I'm sorry, I literally had to stop myself from LOL-ing at your post

    First of all, calm down, what is wrong with you!? Composure please. Secondly, if you'd actually tried to understand my post, you might know that I said I DEFINITELY DID NOT AGREE with the decision itself. Seriously, can't you read?

    Thirdly, to clarify, I was just trying to say that you need to understand you can't impose your beliefs of what is ethical on others. It just isn't going to happen. Also, you generalize and say that these countries are 'trashy' and 'uncivilized', but is that just because they're beliefs are different than yours? Are you going to bring down anyone whose opinion conflicts with yours? That makes you more of a Nazi than me
    Your post basically said to accept it though, and I believe everyone from every minority group deserves their human rights. And sorry, I meant to call the governments of certain counties uncivilised, as the majority of people in many of those countries, such as Egypt for example don't find homosexuals disgusting or a threat, it is just the strict and corrupt government.
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    (Original post by Lewis :D)
    But they're not acting gay, they are gay. It's like saying 'you're black, but if you don't act it you won't be killed'
    Poor example. Its not possible to 'act black' because that would be implying there is a set way people of that race act. Which there isnt.
    However it is possible to 'act gay'. This would be done by doing sexual things with members of the opposite sex. If a heterosexual person started kissing and having sex with someone of the same sex, they would be acting gay.
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    (Original post by SpiritedAway)
    Regardless. Artcle 2 of the Human Rights Acts, the right to life. The UN has basically gone back on this.
    they still have the right to live though don't they
    they just dont have the right to be homosexual
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    (Original post by Lewroll)
    Poor example. Its not possible to 'act black' because that would be implying there is a set way people of that race act. Which there isnt.
    However it is possible to 'act gay'. This would be done by doing sexual things with members of the opposite sex. If a heterosexual person started kissing and having sex with someone of the same sex, they would be acting gay.
    Okay, I agree my example was poor but I don't know what else I can compare it to because a straight acting person who had sex with a man would be executed too, but why should gay people be repressed for who they are?
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    (Original post by Lewis :D)
    Okay, I agree my example was poor but I don't know what else I can compare it to because a straight acting person who had sex with a man would be executed too, but why should gay people be repressed for who they are?
    They shouldnt be opressed for what they are. However different societies have different values and beliefs. If we went to a tribe somewhere where they castrate the men, we would be disgusted and tell them not to do it. But thats the thing with society, they are all different. You and I are both entitled to our beliefs, but would it be right for us to go into that tribe and tell them to stop, because we dont find it acceptable. We think castration is cruel and a breach of human rights- they dont. It would be the same if we went somewhere with human sacrifices.

    So I'm not saying these things are ok, but Im not sure if one society has the right to intervene on another, and tell them whats right and wrong. This is the world we live. We should be glad we live in such a free society, and i suppose the best thing for the people being oppressed in those countries, would be to leave. However we know thats not always possible.
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      (Original post by CombineHarvester)
      The second question is also irrelevant (unsurprisingly unfortunately) because it is also not relevant.
      It might just be me being stupid, but have you considered the possibility that your reasoning might possibly be a little circular?...
     
     
     
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