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    (Original post by .Ali.)
    It's not the governments job to take away the parents choice of what is acceptable for their child. If the government try to interfere, that's a breach of my civil liberties.
    But parents would still be able to show hardcore anal sex to their toddlers, if they so chose -- they'd just have to opt in.
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    (Original post by sango)
    No this CANNOT happen! I will actually hold a protest in Trafalgar Square if this happens.
    I would truly love to see a "right to ****" protest
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    (Original post by jismith1989)
    But parents would still be able to show hardcore anal sex to their toddlers, if they so chose -- they'd just have to opt in.
    There shouldn't even be any question about it though. It's nothing to do with the government! Also, why are people seeing sex as such a bad thing?
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    So you have to ring up and ask permissions every time you fancy a quick ****?
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    (Original post by jismith1989)
    But parents would still be able to show hardcore anal sex to their toddlers, if they so chose -- they'd just have to opt in.
    They have that choice anyway, in the form of parental controls. Imo, the money would better be spent promoting parental controls in a similar way to anti-smoking / drink-driving adverts.
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    (Original post by .Ali.)
    There shouldn't even be any question about it though. It's nothing to do with the government! Also, why are people seeing sex as such a bad thing?
    Sex isn't a bad thing. The commodification of others' sex acts can be a bad thing for children to see as normalised (especially where there's not full consent, or where women may be unwillingly enticed into it for money, and the explicit lack of consent is a huge issue with the popularity of sites such as 4chan amongst others on which people post up intimate photos or even Facebook photos).

    Of course, from an individualistic consumer perspective, it's just like any other service -- but I refuse to see it from that perspective.
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    (Original post by electriic_ink)
    They have that choice anyway, in the form of parental controls. Imo, the money would better be spent promoting parental controls in a similar way to anti-smoking / drink-driving adverts.
    It's interesting that you mention such things, because cigarettes and alcohol are both rightly illegal for children to buy (and heck, nor can they drive cars, whether under the influence or not ) -- since they can cause such significant societal harm that it cannot be left to parents (we know that there are lots of bad parents out there who would buy cigs, alcohol and porn for their kids, regardless of govt. advertisements).

    Some of the greatest improvements in the lives of the poor have been effected by statist law (e.g. Clean Air Acts, which reduced smog/pollution to the great opposition of manufacturers but at the benefit of public health).
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    (Original post by jismith1989)
    Sex isn't a bad thing. The commodification of others' sex acts can be a bad thing for children to see as normalised (especially where there's not full consent, or where women may be unwillingly enticed into it for money, and the explicit lack of consent is a huge issue with the popularity of sites such as 4chan amongst others on which people post up intimate photos or even Facebook photos).

    Of course, from an individualistic consumer perspective, it's just like any other service -- but I refuse to see it from that perspective.
    But who in their right mind takes, for example, a hardcore BDSM porno as gospel? I doubt anyone is going to grab a random girl off the street, tie her up and rape her after watching one. Blaming hardcore porn for rape or sex crimes is like blaming COD for gun crime. You'd have to be an absolute moron to base your judgement on whether to commit crime on either one of those things.

    As I've said, as long as the parents are resposible, and if they explain to their children about sex (instead of being OMG NO NO YOU CAN'T KNOW ABOUT THAT), there wouldn't even be this issue. Yes, there are horrible things on the internet. There are horrible things in the real world too. A child could be getting a train and someone could jump in front of it, that would be very scary. You cannot nanny people and protect them from everything.
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    (Original post by jismith1989)
    A good idea; pornography's become too pervasive in our general culture.
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    (Original post by Claphamski)
    It's not porn that's the problem with sexualisation of children its pop culture, from r&b music to underwear models in debenhams, sex is everywhere, not just on porn sites.
    The only thing Cameron would be able to do about that is to go Stalinist Victorian, which is defiantly not going to happen unless he wants 40x more protests, and #10 trashed.

    Anyway, like you say porn is everywhere, and there's nothing Cameron can do about it.
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    (Original post by .Ali.)
    But who in their right mind takes, for example, a hardcore BDSM porno as gospel? I doubt anyone is going to grab a random girl off the street, tie her up and rape her after watching one. Blaming hardcore porn for rape or sex crimes is like blaming COD for gun crime. You'd have to be an absolute moron to base your judgement on whether to commit crime on either one of those things.

    As I've said, as long as the parents are resposible, and if they explain to their children about sex (instead of being OMG NO NO YOU CAN'T KNOW ABOUT THAT), there wouldn't even be this issue. Yes, there are horrible things on the internet. There are horrible things in the real world too. A child could be getting a train and someone could jump in front of it, that would be very scary. You cannot nanny people and protect them from everything.
    Well, it's also an ideological difference between the left and the right: I don't believe in free will to the same extent as you. Science shows that we are affected by our circumstances/environment/experiences, regardless of any appeals to "responsibility".

    You also keep making the same point, despite the fact that I keep telling you I agree with it: I have no problem with sex itself or with children learning about it. I'm not a prude.

    Sure, kids should be exposed to horrible things where necessary, but they should not be routinely exposed to things that are likely to negatively affect their thought processes (which is one argument for why we ban consensual sex with minors, for example).
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    (Original post by Boobies.)
    I completely disagree. When i was about 7 my uncle was looking after me and let me watch music videos on his computer, and one of the videos was actually an extreme porn video. It was pretty horrific, i was really upset. Not a good memory

    So yes.. I'm in favour of this thing tbh, not hard for any teenagers or adults to get it provided for them.
    Surely in that case, the fault lies with your uncle's recklessness rather than on the avalibility of such content. I can just as easily apply such logic to other scenarios. What about if your uncle had left a kitchen knife somewhere near you, and you then happen to injure yourself while playing with it - You're not going to argue for the banning of knives now are you?
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    (Original post by Aaargh)
    How does this have anything to do with individual civil liberties? Regulating businesses has nothing to do with regulating lives, it's necessary because there is no foundation large enough to do it other than the state; People don't need the state to stop their children seeing porn, they just need to make a little bit of effort themselves.
    Oh, indeed, if you assume that all parents are decent folk who know best how to bring up kids, then, yes, mummy and daddy will step in as appropriate. I was thinking, however, of the kids whose parents are inadequate or ignorant, or both; the state has a duty to those children as much as to us in the privileged majority.
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    I guess they can do what they like but at the end of the day, if there are rules.....There are rules to be broken... Lol if your that desperate that is!
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    It feels too much like China. The more this country becomes like China, the more worrying it becomes.
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    (Original post by jismith1989)
    A good idea; pornography's become too pervasive in our general culture.



    (Awaiting neg rep from the febrile-groined teens that populate this place. )
    Lol, aren't you the one who was interested in recruiting girls to an amateur porn company once upon a time?

    Anyway, you got banned before I responded. I'm guessing it was some sort of joke too.
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    Children accessing pornography isn't the problem. They need to regulate the pop industry which puts sexual ideas into their head, which leads them to seek out porn. This is just another way to keep tabs on people.
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    (Original post by W.H.T)
    Surely in that case, the fault lies with your uncle's recklessness rather than on the avalibility of such content. I can just as easily apply such logic to other scenarios. What about if your uncle had left a kitchen knife somewhere near you, and you then happen to injure yourself while playing with it - You're not going to argue for the banning of knives now are you?
    Exactly. My uncle's an idiot.

    Thus, we need to idiot-proof the world in order to protect people.

    If there was a way in which you could attempt to restrict children's access to knives, of course I would, but its not feasible. This is, so why not do it?
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    (Original post by Bobifier)
    It feels too much like China. The more this country becomes like China, the more worrying it becomes.
    The difference is China doesn't have a screwed up economy, and are able to make decisive decisions about things.
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    To be honest, it's not as easy as people make out to accidentally 'stumble across porn'. People make it sound like innocent children happen across porn sites, in reality it takes at least some degree of intent to get onto one. Personally I think trying to reduce the amount of trashy/ fake ads that appear on respectable websites would be a better idea which could use some regulation.
 
 
 
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