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So your problem is ethnic minorities commiting crime. As long as its white, I don't care. But the minute it's a coloured person, a brown or black person, you take issue with it :rolleyes:

Absolutely.

Such a pathetic post

So you have relatives who are multimillionaires? I find that hard to believe. There several multimillionaire Somali business men around the world. But I'll focus on two are British, educated in the UK and have invested in the UK.

My father and an uncle are millionaires, another of my uncles is a multimillionaire, if you must know. It's not really that far fetched, but you've missed the point.

The thing is you've just revealed that you rank achivement by how much wealth someone has accumulated, and I wasn't even refering to that. A non-white confusing wealth with achievement, more cultural baggage that we do not need. :rolleyes:

Where are the famous Somalian scientists, inventors, academics, and pioneers etc...

The Somalians who discovered the laws of the universe, cured diseases, created high technology, sent man to the moon, created great works of art and beautiful music etc...


Omar A. Ali - In 1983, he became CEO of the Islamic financial institution the DMI Trust based in Geneva, Switzerland. Under his tenure, DMI became a leading Islamic Financial Institution and its assets increased from $1.6 billion USD to $4 billion USD, with Omar managing a worldwide staff of 1,400 employees in three continents

Abdirashid Duale - is an award-winning British Somali entrepreneur, philantropist, and the CEO of the multinational enterprise Dahabshiil

Both whom are wealthy multimillionaires who have created jobs for thousand of people in the UK and Abroad.

This money thing again, if it wasn't for whites these people wouldn't know what finance or business even were, and creating jobs for who?? Muslims??? Who cares.

"It found that fewer than half of Britain's 650,000 Somalis, Bangladeshis, Turks and Pakistanis, have jobs and the four communities have the highest levels of benefit dependency. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education...hink-tank.html"



Exactly, you can search all you like. I can search about any other ethnic group. I just typed in "Iraqi rape Swede" and I already found a link talking about a group of Iraqis gang raping Swedish teens.

Yep, scum as well.

You said there was an epidemic of Somali men in the UK raping white English women. I thought, you might have confused Somalis with another ethnic group that were blamed for it back in January. But knowing you, I think you were just being a spiteful.

I asked you to back it up and all you could show for was 1. If it was true, we would have had reports about it. Crime Watch on a monthy basis would have had pictures up and asking for help. But yet there isn't. It's just you making up a lie again.

Find me a source that says there is an epidemic of Somali men raping white English women. I'm giving you the chance to make me look like a fool and prove me wrong.

Crime is no doubt high in the black community, which Somalis are part of. But that is due to poverty. Poverty leads to Crime. Nottingham for example, a majority white city. Yet was nicknamed Shottingham years back due to gun crime. Explain that one? There weren't many blacks there, but there was a lot of poor white people. Same with Liverpool and the crime rates there. Not many ethnics living there.


So we should just give you more money, I think a plane ticket would be easier.

In that video you provided it, it was talking about Muslim immigrants, which included Iraqis, Algerians, Moroccans etc. Yet you just focus on Somalis.

All the same as far as I'm concerned, probably not to you, but I'm not an entomologist so all ants are the same to me as well, an ant of a particular breed may disagree though.

A few sailors? There was a decent size. But once again, I've proved you wrong. Do you know what the word "community" means? Communities that were in Cardiff, Liverpool, Hull, South Shields and London. More than a few you idiot.

White Europeans have been in the UK for 250,000 years, your "communities" are completely irrelevant and insignificant and your contributions are zero.

So explain to me how the Somali community have not been here since the 19th Century, when I have provided you a perfectly valid source. Are you willing to refute that claim? Go ahead and back it up. Provide a valid source that disagrees with mine. I can even provide you an article from a welsh news website which wrote about the Somali community in Cardiff, and described them as the oldest in Wales.

I didn't say there had not been Somalians here in the 19th century, you said that Somalians have been here forever, since the 19th century is hardly forever.

You are nothing but a racist and a bigot, as I just showed you up. You resort to nothing but lies.
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Where are the famous Somalian scientists, inventors, academics, and pioneers etc.
This is from another member who posted this on the forum a while back.....

(Original post by Cesar Lecat)
Pfff, I'll big up my community....

Somali scientists
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Dr. Ali Said Faqi is a Somali scientist and a leader in the design and interpretation of toxicology studies, he is responsible for coordinating all new technologies and procedures with the operational groups. Dr. Ali Faqi has published over 60 peer-reviewed scientific papers predominantly in the area of Developmental & Reproductive Toxicolo


Abdusalam Abubakar is a Somali scientist who won the BT Young Scientist of the year 2007 award. He invented a new method of attacking secure electronic communications systems developed by scientists in the 80s and currently used worldwide by banks, the military and e-commerce websites. His security code breaker earned him the European scientist of the year award 2007


Dr Warsame Ali is a Somali scientist specialized in Aerospace Technology and has worked for well known Space technology centers such as NASA. Some of his groundbreaking research papers and projects are: Aircraft Ice Detection; Testing and evaluation of various sensors for detection of ice on aircraft wings (1997) - Using the DSP chip for voice recognition. Use of the computer with DSP interface circuitry to recognize voice commands and issue appropriate control signals funded by NASA (1997) - Development and Demonstration of a highly efficient hybrid vehicle with better than zero emission (2000)


Dr Alim Ahmed Fatah is a Somali scientist and inventor of the Postage stamp cancellation ink used in all US postal services. He also jointly developed a new safer system for the treatment of waste from printing inks

Dr Musse Gabobe Hassan is a Somali scientist who's research work has been recognized and used by BioSonics, Inc. (which is an engineering and manufacturing firm that specializes in applying hydroacoustics to monitor and assess aquatic biological resources.) Awards: He won Best Speaker Award for Young Scientists during the Second International Conference on the Straits of Malacca, 15th - 18th October, 2001, Penang, Malaysia. He won the Golden Award during the Exhibition & Award for Research and Innovation 13-14 August 2002", University of Putra Malaysia. He won the Bronze Award for the Exhibition & Award for Research and Development 19-20 August 2004, Institute of Biosciences, University of Putra Malaysia.


Dr Abdishakur Abdulle, is a MA/PhD Somali Research Scientist and Senior Clinical Chemist in Abu Dhabi, UAE

Ahmed M. Dirie is a Somali scientist specialized in agricultural science and the founder of Development Narrator Magazine for Somalia.

Mahmood Gaildon is a Somali scientist with double Masters in Physics and author of several books.

Dr. Abdi Jama is a Somali research scientist for the Range Science Department at Texas A& M University

Jama Elmi is a Ph.D Sr. Research Scientist, living in Toronto, Canada

Adam Dirir is a Somali scientist specialized in senior forensic drugs and recognized as an expert in the field of drug analysis

Abdirahman Mohamed is a Somali scientist of the University in Oslo

Musse Haji Galaal was a Somali social scientist best known for his work on Somali astronomy.

Dr Abdirashid Mohamed Shire is Somali scientist who earned a Ph.D in Molecular Biology at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine. (University of London, UK). His Ph.D thesis was titled "New Genomic Repetetive Sequences of Entamoeba Dispar. During his 14 month fellowship at the University of Iowa, his field of research encompassed study of genes linked to Stargardt Disease (Macular Degeneration) which earned him a seat at the world renowned Mayo clinic where he in April 2005 joined the Division of Gastroenterology and Hepatology

Abdirahman Gutale is a Somali Political Scientist who was awarded a Constituency for Africa internship with New York Congressman Elliot Engle from New York State’s 17th Congressional District.


Tahlil A. Warsame is a Somali scientist specialized in Cardiovascular Ultrasound. In 2002 he joined the world famous Mayo clinic in Rochester,USA

Dr Rahma Hassan is a Somali scientist who graduated from Sind Medical College in Karachi, Pakistan and is a member of the University of Arkansas Medical Science in Fort Smith


Dr A. Abdulrahman is a Somali scientist specialized in anesthesiology at the University of Toronto. He has tought respiratory therapy science to students at the Algonquin College in Ottowa,Canada. He won the silver medal award for ranking the second highest on a National Certification Exam in Canada.

Ali A. Abdi is a Somali scientist specialized in Social science of the Somali society

Dr. Omar Abdurahman is a Somali scientist at the Royal Veterinary College (FRCVS, Sweden) and obtained MSc and PhD from the Swedish University of Agricultural Sciences (SLU). He is currently working as a researcher at the Department of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, SLU Uppsala, Sweden

Dr. Zakaria Farah is a Somali scientist and a leader in the research of Dairy science and Technology

Dr. Ahmed Mumin Warfa is a Somali scientist who jointly discovered the new plant genus Cyclamen Somalense in 1986( together with his collegue Maths Thulin) in the Al Miskat Mountains of Somalia

Dr Ahmed Dalmar is a Somali scientist working at the Aurora Health care Ince. His research was critical in the study of cardiovascular risk assessment in Somali immigrants

Dr Siad O. Ismail is a Somali scientist and a member of the Anatomic and Clinical Pathology since 1999. He currently holds a position as a Pathologist and Associate Medical Director for Spectrum Health Cytology Services, Grand Rapids Michigan

Dr Deka Jama is a Somali scientist specialized in Bio-science. He was doctor of the year 2004

Abdisalam Hassan is a Somali scientist specialized in Botany and completed a study on genus Ormocarpum

Abdulakdir Alim is a Somali scientist specialized in social and political science

Abdulkadir Osman Farah is a Somali scientist specialized in social and Political science

Amina Mire is a Somali scientist who has published the critically acclaimed research paper Skin Pigmentation and Empire. Amina is currently a professor of contemporary sociological theory and Race and Ethnicity Studies at the Department of Sociology and Anthropology of Carleton University

Abdurahman Omar Warsame is a Somali scientist specialized in computer technology

Ismail Hirsi is a Somali scientist of the Charles Sturt University

Abdullahi .H. Nur is a Somali scientist and an assistant Professor in the Department of Mathematics, Physics & Computer Science at Virginia Union University, Richmond, VA. His well known research papers are LIF Spectroscopy of the Hydroxyl and Methoxy Radicals



Dr Hanad Duale is a Somali scientist part of a larger team at the Spinal cord and brain injury research center in Kentucky,USA



Khalif Bile Mohamud -- Born in 1945 in Somalia, Dr Khalif Bile Mohamud graduated in medicine from Sofia University, Bulgaria in 1971, obtained two post-graduate specializations from the University of Rome, Italy – one on tropical and sub-tropical medicine and the second on clinical gastroenterology and digestive endoscopy. Subsequently, he secured his Ph.D. in the field of epidemiology of communicable diseases from Karolinska institute of Sweden.

In Somalia, he first practiced clinical medicine, became a tertiary care hospital administrator and senior academician as a Professor of Medicine and ultimately Dean at the Medical College of the Somali National University from 1980-1985.

He joined the World Health Organization from 1986-1989 in Somalia, and later from 1992 to 1998 as WHO Medical Officer Primary Health Care in Pakistan. Dr Bile was designated as WHO Country Representative first in Iran from 1999 to 2001 and in Pakistan since late 2001 and is currently based in Islamabad.

Additionally, he officiated as UN Resident Coordinator and WHO Representative in Afghanistan during 2002-2003. He has more than 60 publications in indexed international journals focusing on communicable diseases and health systems to his credit.

Dr Bile was awarded a high civil award of Sitara-i-Quaid-i-Azam by the President of Pakistan in recognition of his outstanding services to the country. He is also the recipient of the honorary Fellowship of the College of Physicians and Surgeons of Pakistan.


Abdiwahab A. Musse is a Somali scientist who with his colleagues at the University of Guelph and the Hospital for Sick Children in Ontario created a genetically modified mouse expressing an enzyme known as PAD2 at a higher frequency. They found that these mice had significant loss of myelin, and also displayed behavioral deficits, such as abnormal movement, balance, and coordination.



Musse A Musse is a Somali Chief Engineer at the Rettsmedisinsk institut part of the Research Group on Experimental Forensic Medicine which focuses on epidemiological, genetic and immunological, studies of trigger and death mechanisms in sudden unexpected mortalities in infants and toddlers as well in stillbirths and in sudden adult deaths; studies on brain edema by morphological, radiological and genetic methods; and development of better methods for time of death estimation. Furthermore investigation of cases reported to police for medical maltreatment, and finally immunological and biotechnological investigations of colorectal carcinoma and precancerous lesions.

Abdullahi Aw-Musse is a Somali scientist best known for his study entitled; Fourier Transform Infrared (FT-IR) Spectroscopy of Trace Gases HCl and NO of Relevance to Atmospheric Phenomena". He currently works as a Patent Examiner with the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office in Arlington, VA.



Dr. Abdirahman D Mohamed is a Somali Researcher and physician. He is a graduate of the University of Illinois College of Medicine and trained at the University of Maryland Medical Center in Baltimore. He also completed a fellowship at the Johns Hopkins University School of Public Health. Dr. Mohamed has many years of clinical experience at Park Nicollet Medical Center and in various African countries. He returned to Minneapolis in July 2008 from a five-year project in Zambia, first as the Senior Technical Advisor for USAID, then as the Country Director for MACEPA, a project funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation


Somali Entrepreneurs
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Abdirashid Duale – award-winning Somali entrepreneur, philantropist, and the CEO of the multinational enterprise Dahabshiil.

Omar Abdi Ali – Somali entrepreneur, accountant, financial consultant, philanthropist, and leading specialist on Islamic finance. Was formerly CEO of Dar al-Maal al-Islami (DMI Trust), which under his management increased its assets from $1.6 billion USD to $4.0 billion USD. He is currently the chairman and founder of the multinational real estate corporation Integrated Property Investments Limited and its sister company Quadron investments.

Amina Moghe Hersi – Award-winning Somali entrepreneur that has launched several multi-million dollar projects in Kampala, Uganda, such as the Oasis Centre luxury mall and the Laburnam Courts. She also runs Kingstone Enterprises Limited, one of the largest distributors of cement and other hardware materials in Kampala.

Mohammed Abdillahi Ogsadey – (d. 2006) was a Somali business tycoon based in Ethiopia where he established MAO Harar Horse, the first African corporation to export coffee.

Aden Mohammed - prominent Somali Banker and entrepreneur. He is the Managing director of Barclays Bank in East Africa and West Africa. Under his tenure BBK won the Banker Awards 200



Somali Authors
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Nuruddin Farah (b. 1943) – Somali writer considered one of the greatest contemporary writers in the world. In addition, Farah is a perennial nominee for the Nobel Prize in Literature, which is one of the only major literary prizes he has yet to win.

Mohamed Ibrahim Warsame 'Hadrawi' – songwriter, philosopher, and Somali Poet Laureate; also dubbed the Somali Shakespeare.

Timacade (1920–1973) – prominent Somali poet known for his nationalist poems such as Kana siib Kana Saar.

Maxamed Daahir Afrax ) - Somali novelist and playwright. Afrax has published several novels and short stories in Somali and Arabic, and has also written two plays, the first being Durbaan Been ah ("A Deceptive Dream"), which was staged in Somalia in 1979. His major contribution in the field of theatre criticism is Somali Drama: Historical and Critical Study (1987).

Farah Mohamed Jama Awl – famous Somali author best known for his historical fiction novels.

Ayaan Hirsi Ali (Ayaan Xirsi Cali or Ayaan Hirsi Magan), feminist and political writer

Cristina Ali Farah, Somali-Italian writer and poet

Afdhere Jama, Somali-American writer based in San Francisco

Ahmed Farah Ali 'Idaja' (Axmed Faarax Cali 'Idaajaa'), Somali language writer and 'father' of the Somali written folklore

Abdourahman Waberi, writer and teacher
Is that enough for you? :rolleyes:

Listen, I am not comparing. There are by far more White scientists and academics etc. I am merely refuting the lies you have made up.


(Original post by OdinsThunder)
I didn't say there had not been Somalians here in the 19th century, you said that Somalians have been here forever, since the 19th century is hardly forever
I never said forever. I merely said Somalis have been here since the 19th century and it's one of the oldest African and ethnic community in the UK and the oldest ethnic community in Wales.

You on the other laughed and dismissed it. So I provided you with sources to back up my claim. Please look through my post and tell me where I've said the Somali community have been here forever :confused:
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This is quite an interesting debate just because I heard someone talking about this issue at work earlier today.

There's no doubt that a Somali Community has existed in the UK for hundreds of years, but it was always very small. It has only been recently (late 1980's - early 1990's) that the Civil war in Somalia led to Somalian immigration en masse to the United Kingdom. In this sense it is a 'new' community as one of you said. I think that people in general do tend to demonise Somalians, and they get a lot of bad press but there is in fact some basis behind the stereotype if you look carefully at the statistics:

Somali-born migrants have the lowest employment rate among all immigrants in the UK.[37] Figures published by the Office for National Statistics show high rates of economic inactivity and unemployment amongst Somali immigrants. In the three months to June 2008, 31.4 percent of Somali men and 84.2 percent of Somali women were economically inactive (the statistics include students, carers and the long-term sick, injured or disabled in this group).[75][76] Of those who were economically active, 41.4 percent of the men and 39.1 percent of the women were unemployed. Employment rates were 40.1 percent for men and 9.6 percent for women. The male employment rate has, however, risen from 21.5 percent in 1998.[75]
A report by the Institute for Public Policy Research attributes the low employment rate to the newness of the Somali community and to the fact that most immigrants came in search of asylum rather than through labor migration channels.

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I was until recently a supporter of mass immigration due to the economic benefits. I have changed my mind as I have come to realise that the economic benefits (if any) are very small, and accrue mainly to the well off at the expense of the poorest.

Even if it is in our economic interest, I have to ask at what cost to society? Our communities and culture have been broken down and replaced by ethnic ghettos in many areas. Look at Japan- virtually no immigrants and a very high level of social capital is evident, as demonstrated by their resolve after the recent disasters.

I don't blame immigrants for trying to improve their quality of life, I blame the politicians for allowing the mass immigration in the first place. Charles Moore wrote a fantastic article on the subject in the Telegraph. The problem is that mass immigration has happened at such a speed that integration has been impossible. Integration is a natural process which occurs when immigrants spend time with British peers, especially in schools. With the levels of immigration we have seen, the peers of immigrants are now other immigrants. There is no opportunity for them to integrate into British culture, and this is dividing us as a nation very badly. The ethnic minorities we meet as students are usually well integrated. However if you look at inner city areas the story is very different, in a very sad way.

Immigration should only happen at a slow pace, so integration can happen. The damage is now done though, we are a divided nation.
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Maybe the jewish, and white asylum immigrants that stole the US and Australia and numerous other countries away from their people and murdered them should leave those places first before saying it to others!
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Maybe the jewish, and white asylum immigrants that stole the US and Australia and numerous other countries away from their people and murdered them should leave those places first before saying it to others!
Right of conquest.
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Right of conquest.
Then prepare for an influx and deal with it, 'right of conquest!'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4OI0...layer_embedded
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BShiet about mixed race countries " like the USA " being a model of "success".

#1 military ? balls they lost to 3rd world Vietnam.

14 TRILLION IN DEBT

1 TRILLION DEFICIT.

Success my ass

South Asian jokers begging to be Bri....iiish.
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Then prepare for an influx and deal with it, 'right of conquest!'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4OI0...layer_embedded

Pffft, it's not conquest though it is it, Rap music sucks btw.
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Totally agree we talk about how much money we are spending on such things as nuclear weapons, or will be spending on the Tridend programme but when it comes down to it we seem to fail to see the vast amount wasted on immigration, translators, housing for people who will eventually seek asylum in our country when we just don't have the resources to support our own.

Think about it in this way, if England ends up going to war in the future do you want our defence to be that we have 80% immigrants that don't work and claim benefits, or that our people are safe under the trident programme.

Immigration doesn't help but hinder our economy and make us look weak for if we fall into the habits of these people, surely it wont be long before we are the ones claiming asylum elsewhere for our country has gone to ruin.
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