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I'm sorry, but the UK is most certainly not a police state for reasons already outlined by other people.. i.e. we're allowed to criticise the government, police, etc. without fears of being dragged out from our houses at 03:00am in the morning and beaten to a pulp. There are some questionable 'offences' on the statute books which sometimes do get misused or even abused by certain police constables, but even so, you still have the right to a fair trial and if the arrest is mostly wrong, guess what, you're not going to get charged with it so you will be out of the police custody suite and back in your home so you can rant on your blog or YouTube channel within 24 hours about your apparent "mistreatment" or "unlawful arrest". During your time in a police custody suite you would not only be kept fed, watered and warm in your spacey cell but you would also have plenty of access to legal advice.

You don't make your argument that convincing by referring to those who disagree with you as 'sheep' or whatever. That's the very definition of forcing ones opinions on others, yet you have the audacity to complain about the apparent lack of 'freedom of speech' in this country. Charlie Veitch (or cveitch as he's called on YouTube) is a fake wannabe revolutionary who thinks he is an anarchist, but joins in protests about government cuts?

Sorry if life isn't exciting or dramatic enough for you at the moment, but we are far from a 'police state' so take off your tinfoil hat pls.
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(Original post by hazyjane)
I have a few points to make starting with the last comment.
Regime is not a negative word the UK and USA removed Saddam Hussein on grounds of a regime change and both Blair and Bush used the word completely freely as though they were doing something really good for Iraq.

SORRY IF THIS SEEMS LIKE A REALLY LENGTHY POST BUT I WILL KEEP IT AS SHORT AS I CAN.
THESE ARE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT POINTS THAT I AM TRYING TO CONVEY
SO PLEASE PLEASE READ THEM


Firstly I would like to say thank you to whoever started this thread about whether the UK is a police state or not?

What was interesting from my perspective was that I remember asking myself the same question a couple of years ago.

If I think about the question logically I actually would have to answer yes the UK is a police state.
The situation though the UK does not appear to be a police state as very few people rock the boat enough to get to see it in action.
Try to challenge with any determination any of the points I go on to make and my guess is that you would then get a definitive answer.

Trouble is no one does.




I

I am genuinely shocked and very saddened some of the comments and attitudes posted on this thread.
I have studied UK and world politics in some depth and over some time and from all sides.
I am in no doubt whatsoever that the government despite what they may have us believe are definitely not there to serve us.
We did not democratically elect them although we are led to believe that we did and as a result they have assumed power.
Are people aware that most tory cabinet minister are millionaires?
Yet they want to rob the people of this country blind.

One post actually stated that because we chose to put the government in power they are now there to serve us the people.
I do not mean this as a personal attack however anybody who beleives that to be the case has in fact fallen hook line and sinker
into their trap.

Life would be so nice and lovely and fluffy and really wonderful if only I could sit here with complete faith and trust that my politicians are tirelessly beavering around in no10 thinking and working on ideas all day everyday about how to enrich the average persons quality of life and happiness.

.
This government and the last government are controlled by the rich ruling elite which is headed by the apparently lovely and harmless monarchy neither which have been democratically elected.
The queen has the power to dissolve and get rid of our so called democratically chosen government at a stroke if she so wished.
The Queen has the backing if she ever chose to use them by the armed police force and the armed military.
Just in case that that was not enough we the people do not have a legal right to bare arms in case we might want to offer some resistance.


I am going to make a guess at this point and say that I bet anything that if anyone is still me that they are now really thinking that I have entirely lost the plot and even that maybe I should be certified.
I can almost hear people screaming good god!
she's completely barking she doesn't believe in laws and people will start going around murdering and robbing each other and will will have total anarchy.
However far from society plunging into utter chaos and lawlessness there are case histories as well as considerable academic studies to suggest that if society were left to police itself as it sees fit there would a noticeable drop in crime along with other all round benefits.
This subject alone has had a good deal of academic study dedicated to it and but if I try to go into any depth at all just now I will probably end up writing an essay on it so I won't.

However if anyone does want me to elaborate on this point or any other points please fell free to send me a message.
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We would not want to upset the state in anyway at all would we?
God forbid that we spoil in anyway tiny way the big f%&*ing royal wedding with all their completely vacuous over privileged friends.
Let alone even a tiny thought that some honest working class person might even very slightly upset or offend a total despotic barbaric foreign leader from an African or middle eastern country that on any humanitarian grounds should never be invited into the UK but is and then welcomed with open arms.

We in this country the USA and many other countries are exploited and no more than their profit making slaves.
When they have no way of profiting from the people they throw them on the scrapheap.
This is capitalism and this time this government are trying to take just about everything from us.
We the working class the proletariat have fought and fought and made huge unmeasurable personal sacrifices for generation after generation to get the filthy obscenely rich to give back at least a small fraction of the wealth that we have made for them
Just check out some of the thousands of workers struggles from history if you do not believe what I am saying and you will see all to clearly that all the gains we the working class made were very rarely given to us.
Our parents our grandparents and their parents and so on all across the industrial world gave up so much for we we have today.
Such things as free healthcare, free education, an 8 hour day holiday pay,care for the old and disabled ,
welfare for those that can not work social housing and libraries etc etc.

As for the remark one poster made stating that we are ok as long as we do not break the law we have nothing to fear needs to have a good hard think about the situation we are in.
We need to seriously start to think about breaking utterly restrictive inhumane laws such as the right to a general strike for a start.
Thatcher brought in draconian anti strike laws to smash the power of the workers only for Labour who are supposedly the peoples party not to think once about repealing any of them.
Why? because it does not benefit the bosses and their profits.
Anyone who believes for 1 second that the state would not come down heavy and as hard if we start showing an meaningful civil disobedience I'm afraid is seriously naive and when the time comes as I believe it will they are in for a huge wake up call.
Just for now the police and the state are only as heavy handed as they need to be.
The fact we can exercise freedom of speech is not a threat in anyway to the government it is far more expedient for them to let us for the most part blow of some steam in a harmless fashion.
March 26 was absolute no threat to the state the absolute majority of the people demonstrating were never going to kick off the small breakaway anarchists were also completely manageable to the police.
Perhaps you'd like to explain exactly which measures of the 1980s Employment Acts you think were so draconian? Getting rid of the closed shop? Making Unions actually ballot their members?
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There's no clear definition of what a police state is. It would be over the top to call Britain a police state when in comparison with other countries we are probably one of the most relaxed with a decent degree of police accountability.

Having said that, I'm really worried at the way this country is heading. The rights of innocent protestors are being severely infringed and before the royal wedding unlawful arrests were made. These arrests were made for political reasons, were not in the public interest and had no hope of securing a conviction.
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In a true police state it'd be unlikely you could start a thread like this and unlikely you'd be able to access a forum such as this on which to make it.
Ok on forums, not if you take to the streets. Then the police stop you.
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Let's just say if protesting worked it'd be illegal.
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(Original post by hazyjane)
I have a few points to make starting with the last comment.
Regime is not a negative word the UK and USA removed Saddam Hussein on grounds of a regime change and both Blair and Bush used the word completely freely as though they were doing something really good for Iraq.

SORRY IF THIS SEEMS LIKE A REALLY LENGTHY POST BUT I WILL KEEP IT AS SHORT AS I CAN.
THESE ARE EXTREMELY IMPORTANT POINTS THAT I AM TRYING TO CONVEY
SO PLEASE PLEASE READ THEM


Firstly I would like to say thank you to whoever started this thread about whether the UK is a police state or not?

What was interesting from my perspective was that I remember asking myself the same question a couple of years ago.

If I think about the question logically I actually would have to answer yes the UK is a police state.
The situation though the UK does not appear to be a police state as very few people rock the boat enough to get to see it in action.
Try to challenge with any determination any of the points I go on to make and my guess is that you would then get a definitive answer.

Trouble is no one does.




I

I am genuinely shocked and very saddened some of the comments and attitudes posted on this thread.
I have studied UK and world politics in some depth and over some time and from all sides.
I am in no doubt whatsoever that the government despite what they may have us believe are definitely not there to serve us.
We did not democratically elect them although we are led to believe that we did and as a result they have assumed power.
Are people aware that most tory cabinet minister are millionaires?
Yet they want to rob the people of this country blind.

One post actually stated that because we chose to put the government in power they are now there to serve us the people.
I do not mean this as a personal attack however anybody who beleives that to be the case has in fact fallen hook line and sinker
into their trap.

Life would be so nice and lovely and fluffy and really wonderful if only I could sit here with complete faith and trust that my politicians are tirelessly beavering around in no10 thinking and working on ideas all day everyday about how to enrich the average persons quality of life and happiness.

.
This government and the last government are controlled by the rich ruling elite which is headed by the apparently lovely and harmless monarchy neither which have been democratically elected.
The queen has the power to dissolve and get rid of our so called democratically chosen government at a stroke if she so wished.
The Queen has the backing if she ever chose to use them by the armed police force and the armed military.
Just in case that that was not enough we the people do not have a legal right to bare arms in case we might want to offer some resistance.


I am going to make a guess at this point and say that I bet anything that if anyone is still me that they are now really thinking that I have entirely lost the plot and even that maybe I should be certified.
I can almost hear people screaming good god!
she's completely barking she doesn't believe in laws and people will start going around murdering and robbing each other and will will have total anarchy.
However far from society plunging into utter chaos and lawlessness there are case histories as well as considerable academic studies to suggest that if society were left to police itself as it sees fit there would a noticeable drop in crime along with other all round benefits.
This subject alone has had a good deal of academic study dedicated to it and but if I try to go into any depth at all just now I will probably end up writing an essay on it so I won't.

However if anyone does want me to elaborate on this point or any other points please fell free to send me a message.
.



We would not want to upset the state in anyway at all would we?
God forbid that we spoil in anyway tiny way the big f%&*ing royal wedding with all their completely vacuous over privileged friends.
Let alone even a tiny thought that some honest working class person might even very slightly upset or offend a total despotic barbaric foreign leader from an African or middle eastern country that on any humanitarian grounds should never be invited into the UK but is and then welcomed with open arms.

We in this country the USA and many other countries are exploited and no more than their profit making slaves.
When they have no way of profiting from the people they throw them on the scrapheap.
This is capitalism and this time this government are trying to take just about everything from us.
We the working class the proletariat have fought and fought and made huge unmeasurable personal sacrifices for generation after generation to get the filthy obscenely rich to give back at least a small fraction of the wealth that we have made for them
Just check out some of the thousands of workers struggles from history if you do not believe what I am saying and you will see all to clearly that all the gains we the working class made were very rarely given to us.
Our parents our grandparents and their parents and so on all across the industrial world gave up so much for we we have today.
Such things as free healthcare, free education, an 8 hour day holiday pay,care for the old and disabled ,
welfare for those that can not work social housing and libraries etc etc.

As for the remark one poster made stating that we are ok as long as we do not break the law we have nothing to fear needs to have a good hard think about the situation we are in.
We need to seriously start to think about breaking utterly restrictive inhumane laws such as the right to a general strike for a start.
Thatcher brought in draconian anti strike laws to smash the power of the workers only for Labour who are supposedly the peoples party not to think once about repealing any of them.
Why? because it does not benefit the bosses and their profits.
Anyone who believes for 1 second that the state would not come down heavy and as hard if we start showing an meaningful civil disobedience I'm afraid is seriously naive and when the time comes as I believe it will they are in for a huge wake up call.
Just for now the police and the state are only as heavy handed as they need to be.
The fact we can exercise freedom of speech is not a threat in anyway to the government it is far more expedient for them to let us for the most part blow of some steam in a harmless fashion.
March 26 was absolute no threat to the state the absolute majority of the people demonstrating were never going to kick off the small breakaway anarchists were also completely manageable to the police.
This is one of the stupidest posts I have ever read, she will either wake up or find herself working in the local council aged 40 talking the same utter cr*p and convincing herself she knows everything.
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If we in the UK tried to make a stand like they are doing in Spain, the police would arrest the ringleaders and batter everyone else. We clearly aren't as 'free' a country as I once thought.
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