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Jimbo1234- you assume people agree that it is degrading when a large number don't. I don't think it is the career of choice but I think she has done very well with what she has got and has earned her wealth. I see the desire to suceed and make your own opportunities to be an admirable trait.
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Katie Price. She's done something for herself and made her money. She didn't inherit fame - she made it for herself and her work has paid off.

Middleton - what on earth has that blank-expressioned woman done other than Marty a prince? Exactly.
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I wouldn't say either of them really deserve that title tbh.
It really annoys me how much praise Kate Middleton gets, I mean what has she really done to deserve it? She was born rich and married a prince.
Actually if I really had to choose I think that Katie Price should be more admired for the simple fact that she worked to succeed. Regardless of opinion on that work, it's legal and she can't be completely dim. Note that I don't actually think KP should admired as such lol, I just think she should be more so than KM.
God help us if these are the only 2 female role models available to us in Britain lol.
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i chose kate middleton really quickly but reading these comments has made me think more
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(Original post by Jimbo1234)
That's just crap. With that logic any drug dealer or hooker is impressive :unimpressed:




...and it is rare for people to be happy. Don't worry, soon enough you will realise just how miserable 99% of people are, thus when someone is happy, that is an achievement as it is a result of their life.




JK Rowling did well, but not a role model as she just got lucky with a series of books and compared to Stephen King, still an amateur. Athletes are 80% genetics, 20% dedication so for many people it would be impossible to get anywhere near to them. Deb Meaden and Emma Watson are also amateurs when it comes to their US equivalents, though not harmful role models by any means - just a bit lacking.
JK rowling not so much for the fact that shes so successful and famous. (though that is the reason people know of her story so it helps) but how she kept trying even when things were so tough she carried on both training to become a teacher, a practical way of helping herself since she can't of predicted the success of harry potter, and her dream of writing her book.
so she could well be argued as a role model for the "don't give up" aspect

again athletes not that people should all aim to be athletes as such but the dedication is something to be looked up to and can emulated in other settings.

emma watson as I said was just because of the education when it wasn't really needed and deberah meaden was purely down to being sucsessful and someone I could think of off the top of my head.

as for the drug dealer and whore thing, like I said many people don't see anything morally wrong with prices chosen career so to them she is a perfectly reasonable person to look up to.
basically this:


(Original post by Aoide)
Jimbo1234- you assume people agree that it is degrading when a large number don't. I don't think it is the career of choice but I think she has done very well with what she has got and has earned her wealth. I see the desire to suceed and make your own opportunities to be an admirable trait.
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katie price definitely... she is not my personal role model but she has worked HARD to provide for herself and her family... she is a business women and has mega bucks which she earned herself (whether you like her or dislike her or her methods you have to give her props)... she came from very poor backgroud... she has done incredibly well for herself...


kate middleton married some rich bloke... big deal.
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(Original post by mikoe)
Who is a better role model for young people? Katie Price, a self-made woman, or Kate Middleton, whose status and wealth gained from marriage?
I don't understand how a woman flashing her tits for money is a good role model but then again I don't see Middleton as a role model either... that said, I'd prefer my future daughter did as Middleton has instead of Price so I guess it is Middleton?
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Neither. I don't see what Middleton has done to deserve half the praise she gets, from what I know she hasn't done much but wait for a marriage proposal.

There is other women out there who have done a lot and are more deserving of being a role model despite finding a rich husband e.g. Melinda Gates.
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JK rowling not so much for the fact that shes so successful and famous. (though that is the reason people know of her story so it helps) but how she kept trying even when things were so tough she carried on both training to become a teacher, a practical way of helping herself since she can't of predicted the success of harry potter, and her dream of writing her book.
so she could well be argued as a role model for the "don't give up" aspect
But compared to Schwarzenegger she is still nothing when it comes to ambition


again athletes not that people should all aim to be athletes as such but the dedication is something to be looked up to and can emulated in other settings.
That is something that is needed especially when some many people are fat.


emma watson as I said was just because of the education when it wasn't really needed and deberah meaden was purely down to being successful and someone I could think of off the top of my head.
Although Emma Watson is just your typical Private Schools student as many have vast amounts of money yet still aim to get 100% in every exam.


as for the drug dealer and whore thing, like I said many people don't see anything morally wrong with prices chosen career so to them she is a perfectly reasonable person to look up to.
basically this:
See my reply and just remember that although she has money, she doesn't even have a man and seems very miserable.


(Original post by Aoide)
Jimbo1234- you assume people agree that it is degrading when a large number don't. I don't think it is the career of choice but I think she has done very well with what she has got and has earned her wealth. I see the desire to suceed and make your own opportunities to be an admirable trait.
This a large number of people on this forum are morally bankrupt and think that any means to make money is acceptable.
To succeed at any cost is not admirable as it just shows greed and means that the sacrifice to achieve wealth might be too great.
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(Original post by Jimbo1234)
But compared to Schwarzenegger she is still nothing when it comes to ambition
schwarzenegger isn't really a contender for being a female role model though. :confused: plus I didn't even mention ambition I said not giving up


(Original post by Jimbo1234)
That is something that is needed especially when some many people are fat.
agreed, plus its not just in physical things it can be applied people can look up to the dedication athletes put in and then apply it to other things such as exams ect.



(Original post by Jimbo1234)
Although Emma Watson is just your typical Private Schools student as many have vast amounts of money yet still aim to get 100% in every exam.
not really the typical private school student's parents have vast amounts of money and they will be expected to get a job at some point. emma personally has vast amounts of money and has no need to get qualifications to fulfil career plans



(Original post by Jimbo1234)
See my reply and just remember that although she has money, she doesn't even have a man and seems very miserable.
I think its rather sad that thats something you would base part of your opinion of her on as though it matters to whether she should be looked up to. The part about seeming miserable I don't know if it is true but if it is, is a fair point.


(Original post by Jimbo1234)
This a large number of people on this forum are morally bankrupt and think that any means to make money is acceptable.
To succeed at any cost is not admirable as it just shows greed and means that the sacrifice to achieve wealth might be too great.
no success at any cost isn't admirable but I didn't even mention people who thought that so I'm not sure about your point. And there are a large amount of people who have no objection to glamour modelling as an industry, whether they would personally want to be part of it or not, who don't believe in "succeeding at any cost". its not seen as a cost or sacrifice to those that genuinely see nothing wrong with it...
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(Original post by mikoe)
Who is a better role model for young people? Katie Price, a self-made woman, or Kate Middleton, whose status and wealth gained from marriage?

kate middleton got beef with pippa cos pippa showed kate up and snaked her at her wedding by wearing a white dress. lol.

the other kate is out of date now. is she a body builder or something? or is that the other one? Who cares actually
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(Original post by boba)
schwarzenegger isn't really a contender for being a female role model though. :confused: plus I didn't even mention ambition I said not giving up
Well Schwarzenegger was just an example at how male role models outshine female ones, let alone UK females, and ambition and not giving up are really the same thing. You don't give up because ambition drives you to succeed.


not really the typical private school student's parents have vast amounts of money and they will be expected to get a job at some point. emma personally has vast amounts of money and has no need to get qualifications to fulfil career plans
Erm, it varies. Some of the students have huge trust funds and could easily **** about in school and land a job in daddys firm. However, many make the choice to work hard and get 100% in the exams when really they are the people who least need such results.


I think its rather sad that thats something you would base part of your opinion of her on as though it matters to whether she should be looked up to. The part about seeming miserable I don't know if it is true but if it is, is a fair point.
My point is that she can't achieve something everyone naturally wants and this is most likely because of how she has gone about making her wealth.


no success at any cost isn't admirable but I didn't even mention people who thought that so I'm not sure about your point. And there are a large amount of people who have no objection to glamour modelling as an industry, whether they would personally want to be part of it or not, who don't believe in "succeeding at any cost". its not seen as a cost or sacrifice to those that genuinely see nothing wrong with it...
Well why is glamour modelling acceptable? Why is it now acceptable to show your tits in a sexual manner to anyone and have no dignity or modesty?
Also, do you not think that it is not coincidence that those who are glamour models tend to be really stupid and vacuous thus why are we looking at how they morally feel about an issue?
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This a large number of people on this forum are morally bankrupt and think that any means to make money is acceptable.
To succeed at any cost is not admirable as it just shows greed and means that the sacrifice to achieve wealth might be too great.
Wow, somebody has an arrogant, over inflated view of their own opinions. :rolleyes:
No one here is arguing that success at any cost is a good thing but what gives you the right to decide what is too far? Following a career you disagree with doesn't show greed at all. Compromising your morals for money may show greed but I doubt Price has a moral issue with it.

Her career choice doesn't harm anyone. If some is forced into then yes it is wrong but if she is happy to do it then she obviously doesn't feel that it compromises her dignity and since it is her dignity she can decide- don't force your insecurities onto other people.
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(Original post by mikoe)
Who is a better role model for young people? Katie Price, a self-made woman, or Kate Middleton, whose status and wealth gained from marriage?
It's not just about being self=made, it's how you did it. There are plenty of wealthy self-made drug dealers out there, not exactly role models. Price sells her sexuality, and if I gave a shiz about the young girls of Briton, I would not want them to take her as a role model.
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(Original post by Aoide)
Wow, somebody has an arrogant, over inflated view of their own opinions. :rolleyes:
No one here is arguing that success at any cost is a good thing but what gives you the right to decide what is too far? Following a career you disagree with doesn't show greed at all. Compromising your morals for money may show greed but I doubt Price has a moral issue with it.
Yet the majority of the world would agree with me, yet you are claiming that I am the arrogant one? :rofl:
Right to decide? It's called an opinion and if you can't show why it is wrong then you're just going to have to live with it.
Of course Price doesn't have a moral problem with it as she is a moron and an emotional train wreck.


Her career choice doesn't harm anyone. If some is forced into then yes it is wrong but if she is happy to do it then she obviously doesn't feel that it compromises her dignity and since it is her dignity she can decide- don't force your insecurities onto other people.
Have proof for such a statement? Thought not.
Some people are not forced to take drugs, be whores, do porn, and steal, but they still do and doesn't make it fine and it damn well harms them.
Does she have any dignity to be compromised? You are aware that some people are so unhappy that they don't have feel they have any.

And how do those comments make me insecure? :giggle: Disagreeing with your morals is due to myself having standards unlike some people :rolleyes:
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What makes Adele a good role model?
She's a fantastic role model in my eyes for many reasons.

She's talented, yet extremely modest. She refused to bow down to the overbearing focus of the pressure to lose weight, and believes strongly that the music is what she's all about. I cannot think of one celebrity that has said that I can actually believe and has stuck by their word.

She may be a smoker, swear a lot, drink a lot, but she's a human being. I'd rather look up to someone that's real than a person that's afraid of the scrutiny of the world we live in and tries so hard to be 'perfect,' whatever that's meant to be.

On to the topic of the thread, I can see elements of why each could be role models, but also why they're not.

Katie Price is making money for herself, yes, but I think this comes at a price. Her obsession with plastic surgery and the way she infuses this look into her merchandise and whole brand is just an unhealthy image for a girl to look up to in my personal opinion.

Kate Middleton on the other hand, is the complete opposite - a natural beauty, but I don't really see why a genetic inheritance of good looks should warrant her as a good role model by any means. The way she carries herself, the way she reuses outfits (shock horror!) and always has a constant smile on her face is somewhat admirable and makes her appear as a lovely person, but I wouldn't say I aspire to be her. Furthermore, she's so thin! Fair enough that may be 'natural' but being underweight isn't a great image. If she was overweight the whole world would be making a fuss of it though.

Saying that however, a role model should be someone you look up to for their beliefs and achievements - which in someways shows how both women have elements of charactersitcs that could be aspirational, but doesn't neccessarily make them role models in their own right. Price and Middleton having their own image is what defines them, and shows an exterior to the world that we use beyond the actual pure face value that it really is. Perhaps we shouldn't even take their appearance to judge how they are perceieved as role models, but as they are both aware of how important an influential their images can be, surely how they construe their personal image is part of their beliefs? We don't know them personally to be able to judge if their characterstics are admirable, and different people aspire to different things.

Difficult question. I've talked too much.
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They're both talentless hacks.
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She's a fantastic role model in my eyes for many reasons.

She's talented, yet extremely modest. She refused to bow down to the overbearing focus of the pressure to lose weight, and believes strongly that the music is what she's all about. I cannot think of one celebrity that has said that I can actually believe and has stuck by their word.

She may be a smoker, swear a lot, drink a lot, but she's a human being. I'd rather look up to someone that's real than a person that's afraid of the scrutiny of the world we live in and tries so hard to be 'perfect,' whatever that's meant to be.
She's admitted to being a head-job. She's overweight, smokes and drinks loads.
Classic British girl if you ask me.

What the hell is a "real" person? You do realise that someone who is successful, emotionally balanced and fit is just as real a person as rapists and junkies?
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Who is a better role model for young people? Katie Price, a self-made woman, or Kate Middleton, whose status and wealth gained from marriage?
Katie Price is self made, perhaps, however how she has done it is morally questionable. Just how involved she is in all her schemes is the question. Or does she just stick her name on it and then lets other people run it for her?
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I don't think many people would find either of them as superb role models. I would probably lean towards Katie Price purely because she made herself successful (obviously with the help of factors outside of her immediate control) while Kate Middleton hasn't done much to note with herself and is basically living off another family's fame and wealth. Having said that, I can't exactly blame Kate Middleton for not doing much work for herself when this all fell on her. Maybe she would have done something more worthwhile with her life if she wasn't married to a member of the Royal Family.
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