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Might I suggest some paracetamol. Oh wait that's a drug isn't it ?
lol seriously? I think we both know what kind of drugs I'm talking about
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lol seriously? I think we both know what kind of drugs I'm talking about
Aha I know. I just wanted to make sure everyone else knew
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ra...ependence).svg

http://www.thelancet.com/journals/la...464-4/abstract

Oh look, most of the illegal things cause very little harm. Legality is totally based on evidence and harmfulness, and not at all political motivation. Yup, yup, yup! "You can't compare an illegal drug to a legal one" is such flawed nonsense.

I also love how, when speaking about drugs, people entirely neglect the fact that there is a stark difference between use and abuse. If you abuse paracetamol, it will give you liver damage. If you abuse caffeine, you will have heart problems. If you abuse bread, for chrissake, you'll do yourself some damage.
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I don't understand why you are scolding him for generalising caffeine and salt along with every other drug when you yourself throw Heroin, LSD and Cannabis all into the same pot. Drugs like Heroin/crack/meth etc of course are harmful and anyone with half a brain cell should know to steer clear.

Drugs like cannabis are obviously not harmful and the whole prohibition of it is well documented to be one big political farce designed to control the masses and squeeze as much money out of them as possible.

Then substances like LSD and DMT are, again, another kettle of fish. LSD being the least harmful and least addictive "recreational drug" out there, with positive benefits far outweighing the almost non-existent negative ones.

Maybe it should be YOU doing the research before you pour out the same nonsense people have been spouting for years...
HAHA Sorry for not categorizing these "life saving" wonder drugs into "most harmful" and "least harmful". Also sorry for breaking those rusty tinted glasses you are wearing but:

• Cannabis smokers generally inhale more for longer, depositing four times more tar in their lungs than a cigarette smoker.
• A common side-affect is anxiety, panic, paranoia and feelings of impending doom.
• Cannabis is beginning to be linked to be a trigger of schizophrenia, a long-term psychological disease of the mind that has symptoms of sever paranoia and violence.
• Although it kills cancer cells it also kills brain cells.
• Can harm short-term memory if smoked roughly twice a day for 25 to 30 years.
• Can make you lazy, aggressive apathetic and lethargic.
• There is no way to check the quality of the ingredients if bought illegally and can get you involved in the wrong crowd such as gangs and criminals.
• It can give men breasts.
• If smoked with tobacco it can promote a nicotine addiction.



^ "Those things are exactly what i was looking for" SAY IT!
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How does that differ to the current culture of "living for the weekend"? Work in your mundane job, monday to friday then 'get on it' at the weekend and binge.
Ugh... I don't know why you get all philosophical but yes it's true, in fact every gets on it but doing it everyday is just not nice. I've been smoking/weed from a decently young age and don't we all like to relax but every day is just showing your a waste of space and that's what I realised

Everyone has to relax just not abuse it.
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Cannabis alters secondary sex characteristics? Do you have a source for that? Ditto the brain cells claim.

If cannabis is not smoked, it removes the physical risks that are there when one smokes anything.

If you legalise drugs, people do not have to come into contact with criminals to procure them.

I'm not sure how to address your other points because you evidently don't understand that data is not the plural of anecdote.
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I don't understand why you are scolding him for generalising caffeine and salt along with every other drug when you yourself throw Heroin, LSD and Cannabis all into the same pot. Drugs like Heroin/crack/meth etc of course are harmful and anyone with half a brain cell should know to steer clear.

Drugs like cannabis are obviously not harmful and the whole prohibition of it is well documented to be one big political farce designed to control the masses and squeeze as much money out of them as possible.

Then substances like LSD and DMT are, again, another kettle of fish. LSD being the least harmful and least addictive "recreational drug" out there, with positive benefits far outweighing the almost non-existent negative ones.

Maybe it should be YOU doing the research before you pour out the same nonsense people have been spouting for years...
Dude I'm all pro-cannabis but when it comes to skunk I'm sorry that skunik** should stay a class B drug for it's damaging.
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Caffeine , fast foods and chocs are addicting , but stop trying to undermine the fact that they are no where near as harmful as Heroin , LSD and Cannabis etc.
Anything in excess is bad
If you take loads of caffeine over a long period of time, you are not going to suffer the same effect of that of Heroin. You cannot just simply merge caffeine , fast foods , chocolates and heroin , cannabis etc. all together into one category
Now THAT would be ridiculous. :cool:
Also horse riding incidents and having allergy to peanuts are unfortunate happenings , peanuts are much healthier and horse riding is a good form of exercise. Heroin , LSD , Cannabis etc. are harmful drugs , you can try to cover it up with other everyday items but in the end you will be the one to suffer
We are the young generation, you really think we are wiser than our elders??
Why would these substances be illegal then?? If people like you were made PM , see how quickly the world would fall apart :rolleyes:
A person I know became addicted to caffeine and had to take nearly a full month off of work to recover. During that time they were irritable and selfish and encountered major problems prioritising events in their life. Ultimately, this factored in ending a relationship that had lasted for years. Do not believe that because something is freely available for you on a shelf that it can therefore do you no harm or is far less harmful than a prohibited substance. I don't mean you any offence but it's quite clear you are uneducated on this matter as your points are opinionated and you do not reference anything to back up these claims.

You should consider that there are many MANY more issues at hand than simply medical ones when it comes to recreational drug use such as ethical, moral, political and economical to name a few.
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I JUST CAN'T HANDLE ALL THE SCIENCE, I MUST JUST REACT WITHOUT THINKING!

p.s. the law is always right.
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HAHA Sorry for not categorizing these "life saving" wonder drugs into "most harmful" and "least harmful". Also sorry for breaking those rusty tinted glasses you are wearing but:

• Cannabis smokers generally inhale more for longer, depositing four times more tar in their lungs than a cigarette smoker. cannabis smokers don't usually have as many spliffs in a day or week as a regular smoker
• A common side-affect is anxiety, panic, paranoia and feelings of impending doom. Wrong, wrong, wrong. Cannabis relaxes the smoker. People who have this view often don't do it themselves
• Cannabis is beginning to be linked to be a trigger of schizophrenia, a long-term psychological disease of the mind that has symptoms of sever paranoia and violence. True, but the condition has to pre exist in the brain and could be triggered at any time
• Although it kills cancer cells it also kills brain cells. Completely false - where is your information for that?
• Can harm short-term memory if smoked roughly twice a day for 25 to 30 years. That's a lot of weed, most cannabis smokers don't smoke anywhere near that much.
• Can make you lazy, aggressive apathetic and lethargic. When you are high, yes, that's the idea. But when not high it doesn't necessarily have this ongoing effect. In fact most people who seem this way already have those personally traits anyway.
• There is no way to check the quality of the ingredients if bought illegally and can get you involved in the wrong crowd such as gangs and criminals. Hence the reason it should be legalised and therefore regulated
• It can give men breasts. Utter dog shyte.
• If smoked with tobacco it can promote a nicotine addiction. Really?? I never knew that?! ¬_¬ I fail to see why this would be a problem with your logic - surely as tobacco is legal it's fine to get addicted to? And you often find stoners who will smoke pure spliffs sometimes. What's your problem if they are mixing it with a legal substance?



^ "Those things are exactly what i was looking for" SAY IT!
Edited all your points for you. Was torn between being annoyed at how stupid they were and pitying you for believing them.
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Aha I know. I just wanted to make sure everyone else knew
Aha okay
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See those plants there? If you have a garden, chances are you will have some of those growing wild in it right now. If you do, then congratulations, you are technically in possession of a Class A drug. :cool:
Good old opium
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Caffeine , fast foods and chocs are addicting , but stop trying to undermine the fact that they are no where near as harmful as Heroin , LSD and Cannabis etc.
Anything in excess is bad
If you take loads of caffeine over a long period of time, you are not going to suffer the same effect of that of Heroin. You cannot just simply merge caffeine , fast foods , chocolates and heroin , cannabis etc. all together into one category
Now THAT would be ridiculous. :cool:
Also horse riding incidents and having allergy to peanuts are unfortunate happenings , peanuts are much healthier and horse riding is a good form of exercise. Heroin , LSD , Cannabis etc. are harmful drugs , you can try to cover it up with other everyday items but in the end you will be the one to suffer
We are the young generation, you really think we are wiser than our elder
s??
Why would these substances be illegal then?? If people like you were made PM , see how quickly the world would fall apart :rolleyes:
'Stop trying to undermime the fact that they are nowhere near as bad as [insert drugs]'

In the case of (what can be considered 'light' drugs): cannabis, salvia, AMT, DMT, LSD, DiPT, MDMA, Mushrooms, Morning Glory Seeds, Ketamine, Amphetamines and Methylone - horse riding and peanuts ARE WORSE FOR YOU. They kill more people per year. How much more simple can I make it? Well, I can't, because you are an example of someone who has fallen headfirst into government propaganda on drugs. People take drugs for all sorts of reasons - not just to be cool or feel accepted or because they NEED to to have a good time - it can be because they feel like it, because they know the potential of psychedelics, because they want to have a good time at a party/club and hate alcohol, because of the 'i'll try anything once' mentality, curiosity or because the effects of euphoria and ego loss sounds inviting.

'Heroin , LSD , Cannabis etc. are harmful drugs , you can try to cover it up with other everyday items but in the end you will be the one to suffer '

Heroin, yes, is dangerous. Undoubtedly so. However, how is LSD dangerous? Go into it with a positive, clear mind and you will be guaranteed one of the most amazing experiences, your mind opens in a way that it cannot when sober. You can have a bad trip but only if you have the wrong set and the wrong setting. This is why drugs must be taken with respect, which is what you do with alcohol anyway. At a low key family event you wouldn't order 30 shots of tequila, whilst you wouldn't take LSD with a group of people you hate. Steve Jobs said taking LSD was one of the most important experiences of his life. The Beatles produced some of their best work whilst tripping on acid (source: Sgt. Pepper). If we continue on then Robert Downey Jr did some of his finest acting whilst taking cocaine everyday and Obama and Cameron both smoked weed when they were both younger. The negatives of cannabis are grossly overexaggerated by the media (because it's the one that's closest to being decriminalized and there are many in society who see cannabis on the same level as heroin so need some bad headlines to cling to). The most prevalent being schizophrenia - there have been NO studies to show it causes schiz, only that if you're going to get it at some point in your life, weed could POSSIBLY bring it on closer. That is the worst thing that could possibly happen to you, and it hasn't been scientifically proven. All there is is some links.

To show you how much gov. have a say over what drugs are and aren't bad to a ridiculous extent remember how David Nutt was fired when he said weed and other drugs were far less dangerous than alcohol and was fired? Consider some things. How do politicians, who do not specialise in the risks of drugs and have nowhere near the knowledge and understanding on it to rival David Nutt's - know more about drugs than he does? His research took five years yet it took them only a few days to decide - with no scientific or medical knowledge - that they knew more than him and so it was justifiable he would be fired. Nutt also presented the information at a non-public science lecture - he did not go to the Daily Mail etc and spread the word. Please think about all this. How can politicians know more than a doctor on drugs? They don't. They did it because the evidence that weed was so much less harmful than they try to put across was staggering and anyone with a degree of independant thought who looks at his work will be able this.

'If people like you were made PM , see how quickly the world would fall apart'

Not saying I would legalise all drugs if I was PM, but are you aware that Portugal has decriminalized all drugs and drug usage has actually DECREASED? At the same time they are no longer fighting the 'war on drugs' which kills tens of thousands every year. The drugs market is a billion dollar market also, so I fail to see how if a PM did decriminalise all drugs who 'the world would fall apart' lol. If anything, having tobacco, caffeine, alcohol legal (add the fact a large percentage of people in the UK have taken weed) proves that people can still function in their family life and their 9-5 jobs and still take legal drugs and, oh em gee the world hasn't fallen apart yet.

We are the young generation, you really think we are wiser than our elder
s??
Why would these substances be illegal then??

Ridiculous statement. Implying that if politicians or your parents or any elder figure turned around and said hey drugs are fine now, have some - that you would. Everything you say just shows how much blind faith you have in what the gov. says about drugs - it's worrying.



Lastly, I feel it is revelant to say I have taken: caffeine, AMT, DMT, MDMA and alcohol. I no longer take alcohol and neither do many of my friends as it is, unlike many others, a drug that is difficult to take without knowing your limits and in such has almost wrecked some friendships I have with people. I also no longer take caffeine because I needed it to function during Year 12 and half of Year 13. Caffeine withdrawals for me were mentally difficult - I gave up coffee which I only had twice a day and can honestly say for two weeks I could not function atall productively and in the first few days of those two weeks could barely talk to anyone because if I did I'd just snap. On the other hand, AMT is something that has opened my mind (as is DMT) and has changed me for the better as a person despite only taking it twice. Could you say that about a hamburger, or a cigarette? Even my friends have noticed I'm more calmer and patient now.

I apologise that this post has little structure. It's just that on this topic in particular I always find it a great shame that someone is so close minded about the issue. I guess what I'm trying to say is that drugs have bad points and can wreck lives but it is much rarer than what media and gov. try to make it out to be. Drugs also have extremely good points. I don't know if you've ever been on erowid, but google 'erowid experience' and there are accounts of what people actually felt and what they experienced on the drug - good and bad.

I feel that this discussion will be unbending on each of our sides so I am not trying to convince you of anything as I know it won't be effective - all I ask is that you try to be more open minded in the future.
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Unhealthy lifestyle/diet and lack of exercise is a big killer in this world (think of the children!!) therefore i suggest we make fast food and fat people illegal.

Yes, we should throw fat people in jail to save them from themselves (even though its their body and their choice what they want to do with it).

Anybody who is unable to do 50 pushups should be thrown in jail and/or executed.
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Oops. Didn't mean to make the post so long and unattractive looking. Please read it though, I feel a lot of points should be read by anyone who doesn't know a lot about drugs and could be impressionable from either direction (which is a bad thing of course).
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HAHA Sorry for not categorizing these "life saving" wonder drugs into "most harmful" and "least harmful". Also sorry for breaking those rusty tinted glasses you are wearing but:

Cannabis smokers generally inhale more for longer, depositing four times more tar in their lungs than a cigarette smoker.
You don't have to smoke cannabis to achieve its effects. If you don't want to risk damaging your lungs you can cook or vaporise it.

A common side-affect is anxiety, panic, paranoia and feelings of impending doom.
Unfortunately some people do experience anxiety while under the effects of weed. Of course, users who experience these side effects do not continue to smoke it.

Cannabis is beginning to be linked to be a trigger of schizophrenia, a long-term psychological disease of the mind that has symptoms of sever paranoia and violence.
The evidence for this is extremely shaky and there is no agreement on it. For example, while cannabis use has increased significantly over the past few decades, schizophrenia rates have stayed the same which suggests there is no causal link, but merely a correlation between schizophrenics and use of cannabis.

Although it kills cancer cells it also kills brain cells.
Completely untrue and in fact there is evidence to the opposite:
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...ts-510869.html

http://www.newscientist.com/article/...the-brain.html


Can harm short-term memory if smoked roughly twice a day for 25 to 30 years.
I'd like to see a source for this, but at any rate this is extreme usage.

Can make you lazy, aggressive apathetic and lethargic.
Purely anecdotal and depends on the individual.
There is no way to check the quality of the ingredients if bought illegally and can get you involved in the wrong crowd such as gangs and criminals.
Ingredients? Are we still talking about weed here?

It can give men breasts.
Uh... No.
If smoked with tobacco it can promote a nicotine addiction.
This is a problem with tobacco, not weed.
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Edited all your points for you. Was torn between being annoyed at how stupid they were and pitying you for believing them.
He is very uneducated on the subject. I like how he listed all his points as fact yet there was no links to anything which might prove those points. I mean even then a lot of the studies were based around starting to link cannabis and something There's been a lot of these studies for years. They mean very little most of them and never really get any sort of proof after initial studies.
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Heroin, yes, is dangerous. Undoubtedly so. However, how is LSD dangerous? Go into it with a positive, clear mind and you will be guaranteed one of the most amazing experiences, your mind opens in a way that it cannot when sober. You can have a bad trip but only if you have the wrong set and the wrong setting. This is why drugs must be taken with respect, which is what you do with alcohol anyway. At a low key family event you wouldn't order 30 shots of tequila, whilst you wouldn't take LSD with a group of people you hate. Steve Jobs said taking LSD was one of the most important experiences of his life. The Beatles produced some of their best work whilst tripping on acid (source: Sgt. Pepper).
Great summary of how psychedelics can be positive experience unlike any other.
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Risks of cannabis

There's increasing evidence that cannabis use is linked to a number of health risks.
There is a lot of inconclusive evidence and even more scare mongering sensationalism.

(Original post by The Unique Bloke)
It damages the ability to concentrate, decreases motivation and more than occasional use in teenagers can affect psychological development. Users can become anxious, suspicious and even paranoid.
Similar to caffeine.

(Original post by The Unique Bloke)
Heavy use increases the risk of serious psychiatric illness.
I imagine heavy use of TSR poses a similar risk.

(Original post by The Unique Bloke)
Users of skunk, a stronger and increasingly more available form of cannabis,
:rofl:

(Original post by The Unique Bloke)
are seven times more likely to develop a psychotic illness, such as schizophrenia, than people not using cannabis
Schizophrenia sufferers may just like to get stoned. Which seems more likely seeing as there seems to be no link between rates of schizophrenia and cannabis use.

(Original post by The Unique Bloke)
People who smoke cannabis are also exposed to the toxic chemicals in tobacco smoke.
There is no tobacco in cannabis.

(Original post by The Unique Bloke)
People may become dependent on cannabis and find it difficult to stop using it, experiencing unpleasant withdrawal symptoms if they do stop such as cravings, agitation, mood changes, sleep problems, appetite disturbance and other symptoms.
Again similar to people that become dependent on TSR and probably less problematic than for those dependent on caffeine.
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Right now this is just turning into an argument rather than expressing views -_-

And what happened to the other drugs? Had enough of this long chain of cannabis talks.
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